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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby Novem5er » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:46 pm

A good rebuttal to the AFA. Unfortunately, as long as the AFA and other racial heathen groups get press and have an internet presence, then the whole Asatru community is painted in a bad light. It's unfair that anyone should ever have to say, "Oh, I'm an X, but not the racist kind!", but if that's how a person starts most conversations, then it's definitely a sign that things are bad. I was really into Norse mythology for a few years and I thought about adopting it as a more personal faith, if even only symbolically, but I kept running into the racist stuff online. It wasn't worth my time weeding through, so I gave up.
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby Searcher08 » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:10 pm

Novem5er » Fri Aug 26, 2016 1:46 am wrote:A good rebuttal to the AFA. Unfortunately, as long as the AFA and other racial heathen groups get press and have an internet presence, then the whole Asatru community is painted in a bad light. It's unfair that anyone should ever have to say, "Oh, I'm an X, but not the racist kind!", but if that's how a person starts most conversations, then it's definitely a sign that things are bad. I was really into Norse mythology for a few years and I thought about adopting it as a more personal faith, if even only symbolically, but I kept running into the racist stuff online. It wasn't worth my time weeding through, so I gave up.


I agree, an excellent response - and particularly liked the tone of respectful yet forthright disagreement the writer used. I think this is very important, because folks who may be having concerns about racialist Asatru will see a peaceful, neutral viewpoint that (to me) invites communication, rather than shunning / ostracising / othering, things which are like putting out a fire with a gasoline filled hose - many of the things you mention resonate with me too (perhaps more from a Wiccan than Norse pov).
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby Novem5er » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:12 pm

^^ I think that''s why I liked it! It's a rare person who can voice strong disagreement without resorting to insults, sarcasm, and demonization. I hope the Asatru community can eventually move on from the racial stuff. You know, I imagine this is a conflict that most Muslims feel . . . they'd like to be able to talk about their community without the specter of violence and terrorism looming in the background.
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby American Dream » Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:05 pm

The Real Story Behind ‘Camp Courage’ And The AFA


“Notably, one of their members Josef Sigmundr is also a member of the Golden State Skinheads who attended a white nationalist-organized pro-Trump rally where a fellow Skinhead stabbed multiple people.”


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Re: Racialist Asatru

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Re: Racialist Asatru

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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:34 pm

^^The Daily Beast again.

You are transparent. Forty-three pages from you on "The Alternative Right". Five pages from you here on the world-threatening danger of [cue drumroll]... "Racialist Asatru". (I had to look "Asatru" up. What a waste of time that was.)

And that's just for starters.* You have not only succeded in turning The Rigorous Intuition Discussion Board into your own personal Data Dump, you have also transformed this place into maybe the world's biggest depository of right-wing crap. Congratulations.

*One hundred and forty-four pages (in figures 144) on "Tantra-Induced Delusional Syndrome ("TIDS")". - Like AIDS, geddit? Because AIDS is so funny.
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby Jerky » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:15 pm

These are some of the most interesting and information packed threads in RI's history. What is it, exactly, that you find offensive about them, McC?

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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby American Dream » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:10 pm

The Wolves of Vinland: a Fascist Countercultural “Tribe” in the Pacific Northwest

Mon, Nov 7, 2016

Over recent years, a host of new organizations and projects have surfaced in the US, attempting to rebrand fascism for new audiences. For several decades fascist organizing has been associated with the hijacking of “skinhead” fashion and culture, but increasingly the fascist Right moves in other scenes as well. Fascist organizers intend to build countercultural visibility and appeal to disaffected working class whites, who may already be active in a subculture of some form. Fascist counterculture attempts to build in settings such as the neo-folk and black metal music scenes; religion in the form of “folkish” heathenry or Asatru; and independent publishing projects mixing political and “nonpolitical” content. One manifestation of this Alt-Right countercultural/“spiritual” organizing in the Pacific Northwest (PNW) is called the Wolves of Vinland Cascadia.


Drawing upon a mix of motivational speaking, weightlifting, hand to hand and tactical arms training, hyper-masculinity and pre-Christian Germanic religion, the Wolves of Vinland (WoV) have situated themselves as the group du jour on the countercultural Right. The group expresses an elitist and patriarchal worldview, much of which is copied from the philosophy of Julius Evola. (Evola considered himself to be to the Right even of fascism; however Evola was attracted to the Nazi SS as a model of the sort of “elite” he wished to cultivate, and moved to Nazi Germany after the fall of Fascism in Italy.)


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The Wolves of Vinland pictured at Elite Performance Center in Clackmas, OR

LtoR Mattais Waggener, Paul Waggner, unidentified prospect, Jack Donovan




Dressing in motorcycle club style vests, painting their faces, and building a "tribe," the WoV have successfully and quietly organized two other chapters across the United States. Despite the claims to be inspired by historical pre-Christian Germanic people, the WoV tend to organize similarly to outlaw “1%er” biker gangs. They have a proper group (the official WoV) and feeder clubs, from which they draw in new members. These feeder groups are part of "Operation Werewolf". In the last year or so, a third WoV chapter has begun organizing in the Portland area under the leadership of self-proclaimed “anarcho-fascist” and gay anti-queer militant Jack Donovan. WoV has recently been listed by the SPLC as an active hate group, which suggests just how far they have gone.


The WoV have received attention from both militant antifascists and watchdog organizations, but for many people this group has largely flown under the radar. “Crypto-fascism”--that is, fascist messaging when dog-whistled or veiled with esoteric references--is harder to spot and confront than some buffoon marching around with a swastika flag. This, arguably, also makes such a current more dangerous; we believe “crypto-fascism” must be both uncovered and directly combatted. In this article, we expose the history of the Wolves of Vinland, their use of Operation Werewolf as a recruiting tool, the nature of Evola-influenced worldview, and the activity of the Cascadian Pack of WoV, their leader Jack Donovan, and his allies.


The Wolves of Vinland: Origins and Belief

The WoV organization was started roughly 10 years ago by self-styled fitness coach, motivational guru and white supremacist Paul Waggener along with his brother Mattias. Drawing from Nazi era Norse imagery, total misreadings of Germanic and Scandinavian paganism, Men’s Rights Activist ideology, and drawing on the power lifting and black metal subcultures, they have cobbled together a "tribalist” Evolian cadre organization. These guys have gotten a lot of press due to their competent use of social media as an outreach tool and their ability to craft a very specific übermensch countercultural cool.



Mattais and Paul Waggner


The theories of Julius Evola (1898 - 1974) are a primary influence on WoV. Scholar Franco Ferraresi correctly stated that "Evola’s thought can be considered one of the most radically and consistently anti egalitarian, anti liberal, anti democratic, and anti popular systems in the twentieth century." ("The Radical Right in Postwar Italy," Politics & Society, 1988 16:71-119, Pg. 84) The esotericist Evola believed that the world, specifically the West, has been and is going through a decline rooted in materialism, a lack of spiritual awareness, and opposition to “masculine” principles. This final phase of decay and collapse is called the "Kali Yuga" (Evola borrows the concept from the Hindu cycle of Yugas.) This phase would be ended by willing individuals (called “aristocrats of the soul”) bringing about a rebirth by implementing a “Traditional society” -- basically a return to some imagined Golden Age. Evola wrote about Roman society with regard to this theory, but Evola’s claims been applied to other western cultures as well.


The myth of rebirth from the ashes is key within fascist ideology. What set Evola apart from standard fascist ideology was his aversion to large political party organizing and populism. Evola also scorned nationalism as not being elitist enough. Such opposition to nationalism may place Evola outside of “fascism” narrowly defined--if one believes that fascism is necessarily nationalistic, then Evola clearly falls outside that “fascism” (and to its right). However functionally Evola and Evolian thought have generally aligned with fascist political movements - as demonstrated by Evola’s efforts to gain favor with select Italian Fascists and then German Nazis during his own lifetime. Evola’s ideas have also been useful to more recent neofascist movements. These ideas are best known in Europe but dovetail neatly with American notions of the tough, heroic individual as well as anti-state sentiment among disaffected whites who feel their power in society slipping. Nothing is more astutely “American” than calls for cleansing violence without a party mechanism and a “dictator” in charge.


The Wolves of Vinland leader Paul Waggener - like many Evolians - is trying many things to see what will get traction for his political goals. Those goals are the creation of a cadre organization capable of surviving the immanent western decline and emerging as leaders of the next “traditional society” in the next cycle of Yungas. Waggener is responsible for a series of cultural projects which he uses to express themes of western decline and emasculation. These projects range from “outlaw” country (Paul Waggener & the Howling Grimness) and black metal bands (Cladonia Rangiferina), to an awful "Film Studio" (Anarchist Films) and his many esoteric and fitness e-books online. Waggener's interest in a plethora of subcultures is part of a strategy of ‘fishing’ -- casting out lines into different areas of social life until something (or someone) gets hooked. In this case, the religious influences and hyper-masculinity of the Wolves of Vinland have come to dominate the values of the organization.


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Paul and his comrades in the black metal band “Cladonia Rangiferina”


Continues at: http://rosecityantifa.org/articles/the- ... northwest/
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby OP ED » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:25 pm

I don't understand what "gay anti-queer militant" means ...
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby American Dream » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:01 am

The article explains more clearly and eloquently but Jack Donovan supports homoeroticism in an "Aryan" context, involving manly men of his type, while at the same time he rejects mainstream gay men's culture for being effeminate and against his idealized vision of reactionary masculinity. Or something like that.
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby OP ED » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:11 am

Oh because that totally makes sense.

Oddly the other guy sets off a stronger ping on ye olde gaydar.
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:32 am

"Intentional community" "DIY" "safe space"

there must be more such buzzwords that "ping" in resonance with this Vinland group...

I am not a white nationalist but I'm also almost completely convinced that white nationalists will not be the ones running the show in a Cascadia to come...
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby slomo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:12 am

tapitsbo » 16 Nov 2016 20:32 wrote:"Intentional community" "DIY" "safe space"

there must be more such buzzwords that "ping" in resonance with this Vinland group...

I am not a white nationalist but I'm also almost completely convinced that white nationalists will not be the ones running the show in a Cascadia to come...

Well if they get the race war they seem to want, they'll eventually end up going toe-to-toe with Mexican gangs. Guess which group I'd place my money on?

FWIW, I've read some of Donovan's stuff. It seems to get a bit more delusional as the years go by... My read on him is that he's dressing up in Game of Thrones S&M drag. Yes, I believe he's capable of serious violence. But when up against a vast network such as a Mexican drug cartel, well... let's just say he doesn't strike me as being quite as committed.
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Re: Racialist Asatru

Postby OP ED » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:20 am

The difference between life and lifestyle.
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