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The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby semper occultus » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:06 am

The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice and our modern world

By Sarah Kaplan April 5 at 4:28 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/04/05/the-darker-link-between-ancient-human-sacrifice-and-our-modern-world/

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Hawaiian sacrifice, from Jacques Arago’s account of French navigator Louis de Freycinet’s travels around the world from 1817 to 1820. (Jacques Arago)

In Japan, it was said that sacrificing a woman at a rushing river would placate the spirit who lived there, allowing for the construction of bridges and the safe passage of boats. In Greek myth, the warrior king Agamemnon decides to kill his own daughter in exchange for a favorable wind on the way to Troy. The Egyptians buried some of their pharaohs with dozens of servants when they died, ensuring that their needs would still be met in the afterlife. Bodies found entombed in bogs across Europe may have been slain as gifts for higher powers. The great civilizations of Mesoamerica killed people, smashed food and sank treasure to pay their debts to their gods.

The ancients could kill you in a million different ways, and give you a million different reasons why it needed to be done. In much of the pre-modern world, ritual sacrifice was framed as necessary for the good of the society at large — the only way to guarantee, say, a plentiful harvest or success in war.

But the priests and rulers who sanctioned such killings may have had another motive, a new study suggests. An analysis of more than seven dozen Austronesian cultures revealed that the practice of human sacrifices tended to make societies increasingly less egalitarian and eventually gave rise to strict, inherited class systems. In other words, ritual killings helped keep the powerful in power and everyone else in check.

That finding might seem intuitive — societies in which some members are habitually killed probably value certain lives over others — but it has broader implications, the researchers said in the journal Nature.

It suggests a “darker link between religion and the evolution of modern hierarchical societies,” they write, in which “ritual killings helped humans transition from the small egalitarian groups of our ancestors and the large, stratified societies were live in today.”

Lots of sociologists have theorized about this connection, the researchers say, but there haven’t been many rigorous scientific studies of how it came about until this one.


The scientists behind the Nature study used phylogenetic analysis — a tool that was originally used to plot evolutionary family trees but can also be applied by sociologists to study the development of languages — to map the relationships between the 93 cultures they were examining. This allowed them to see whether the traits they were looking for were inherited or adopted from other cultures, and helped determine the causal relationship between human sacrifice and stratification. (The same scientists used the technique last year for a study arguing that belief in supernatural punishment gave rise to political complexity.)

The cultures studied all descended from an ocean voyaging society that originated in Taiwan, but they ranged across the Pacific as far south as New Zealand and as far east as Easter Island. The group was also hugely diverse, including both the small, egalitarian family-based communities of the Isneg in the Philippines and the huge societies of the Hawaiian Islands, which were home to complex states with royal families, slaves, and more than 100,000 people who often came into conflict.

Relying on historical and ethnographic accounts, the researchers rated the cultures according to their level of stratification and identified which ones practiced ritual sacrifice.

The motivation and method of the killings differed across cultures, the researchers explain in a piece for the Conversation: Sacrifices could be demanded for the death of a chief, the construction of a home, the start of a war, the outbreak of disease or the violation of a social taboo. The victims might be strangled, drowned, bludgeoned, burned, buried, crushed with a newly-built canoe or rolled off a roof and then decapitated.

But the link between the sacrifices and social hierarchies seemed to transcend those differences. The victims were almost always of low social status, and the more stratified the culture was, the more prevalent ritual killings were likely to be.

Of the 20 “egalitarian” societies they studied — so termed because they didn’t allow inheritance of wealth and status between generations — just 25 percent practiced human sacrifice. By contrast, 37 percent of the 46 moderately stratified societies — where wealth and status could be inherited, but it wasn’t necessarily linked to wildly different living standards or pronounced social classes —had the practice. And among the 27 highly stratified cultures, where inherited class differences were strictly enforced with little opportunity for social mobility, a whopping 65 percent committed ritual killings.


The phylogenetic trees illustrated that ritual killings tended to precede social hierarchies, and once stratification occurred, they served to reinforce it. It was very difficult for a culture to return to egalitarianism after class differences had set in.

This finding supports the “social control hypothesis” of human sacrifice, the researchers said. This idea suggests that ritual killings are a way to terrorize people into submission, allowing the religious and political leaders (and in many cultures, those were one and the same) who ordered the killings to consolidate power unopposed.

Speaking to Smithsonian Magazine, lead researcher Joseph Watts noted that ritual killings often occurred in elaborate ceremonies that exploited gore as effectively as an HBO show: “It’s not just a matter of killing efficiently. There’s more to it than that,” he said. “The terror and spectacle [of the act] was maximized.”

The fear that sacrifices inspired allowed the practice to function “as a stepping-stone to help build and maintain power in early hierarchical societies,” Watts, a psychologist at the University of Auckland, wrote on his website. Once their authority was absolute, elites could use more traditional methods — policing, taxation, war — to keep the class system in place.

“People often claim that religion underpins morality,” Watts told Science. But he says his study illustrates how religious rituals like human sacrifice are often designed to serve someone other than the gods: “It shows how religion can be exploited by social elites to their own benefit.”

This is a pretty grim notion, to be sure. But it may also have been necessary. The division of people into groups of unequal wealth and status was a vital to the development of modern civilization, Watts writes. Hierarchies helped give rise to great cities and vast empires capable of undertaking massive public works projects and creating priceless works of art. Certainly, countless people were oppressed (and, according to this study, killed) in the process. But still, class was critical to getting us to where we are today.


“I think it’s absolutely an important project,” University of British Columbia psychologist Joseph Henrich told the New Scientist. “Sacrifice does seem to have been performed in societies all around the world.”

But he urged some skepticism about the study’s broad conclusions. Though human sacrifice may have been correlated with stratification in the Austronesian societies, Henrich was dubious of the phylogenetic analysis the researchers used to prove that the relationship was causal. That tool assumes that social strata and religious rituals are passed down and evolve through generations in the same manner as languages.

“There’s no real reason to think that’s true – and in fact there’s reason to think it’s not true,” Henrich told the New Scientist.

For proof, he pointed back at the Austronesian societies Watts and his colleagues studied. Human sacrifice has all but vanished from that region in the past few hundred years, but languages are still being passed down from parent to child — demonstrating that those two aspects of culture don’t necessarily evolve in the same way.

There’s also danger in overgeneralizing the study’s conclusions. What is true of ritual killings in Austronesian cultures may not necessarily apply to the Aztecs or ancient Egyptians. And whatever role human sacrifice may have played in those societies, it’s still only one aspect of culture — it cannot entirely be blamed for the complex hierarchies and rigid class systems that have long dominated much of the modern world.

Nevertheless, religion researchers said they were glad to see rigorous data analysis like the kind used in the Nature study injected into their field.

“The study of religion has been plagued in many ways by an abundance of ideas and a shortage of strong quantitative tests of these ideas,” Richard Sosis, a human behavior ecologist at the University of Connecticut, Storrs, told Science.

“These methods have power, and they are certainly an advance in the way we can evaluate ideas. Are they the last piece to the puzzle? No.” But, he added, “at least the conversation can begin here and begin in a systematic way that hasn’t happened before.”
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:49 am

The division of people into groups of unequal wealth and status was a vital to the development of modern civilization, Watts writes. Hierarchies helped give rise to great cities and vast empires capable of undertaking massive public works projects and creating priceless works of art. Certainly, countless people were oppressed (and, according to this study, killed) in the process. But still, class was critical to getting us to where we are today.


Yeah, and just look where we are today. :roll:
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby divideandconquer » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:05 am

This is a pretty grim notion, to be sure. But it may also have been necessary. The division of people into groups of unequal wealth and status was a vital to the development of modern civilization, Watts writes. Hierarchies helped give rise to great cities and vast empires capable of undertaking massive public works projects and creating priceless works of art. Certainly, countless people were oppressed (and, according to this study, killed) in the process. But still, class was critical to getting us to where we are today.


Where we are today?? Well adjusted to the values of a profoundly sick society? A mass mindset immune to its own lies?
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby NaturalMystik » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:57 am

Of the 20 “egalitarian” societies they studied — so termed because they didn’t allow inheritance of wealth and status between generations — just 25 percent practiced human sacrifice. By contrast, 37 percent of the 46 moderately stratified societies — where wealth and status could be inherited, but it wasn’t necessarily linked to wildly different living standards or pronounced social classes —had the practice. And among the 27 highly stratified cultures, where inherited class differences were strictly enforced with little opportunity for social mobility, a whopping 65 percent committed ritual killings.


Interesting numbers there...

Speaking to Smithsonian Magazine, lead researcher Joseph Watts noted that ritual killings often occurred in elaborate ceremonies that exploited gore as effectively as an HBO show: “It’s not just a matter of killing efficiently. There’s more to it than that,” he said. “The terror and spectacle [of the act] was maximized.”


Wait, why bother kill when you can just show everyone sacrifice on TV? Oh, I get it... :wink

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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby divideandconquer » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:24 am

Human sacrifice, if anything, has increased exponentially and is still vital to maintaining the "division of people into groups of unequal wealth and status" in modern civilization. The mountains of untouchable money and power continues to grow unabated in correlation to the mountains of corpses sacrificed to wealth and power through wars on everything from terror to drugs; the death penalty; impoverished neighborhoods, cities and schools...by design; the medical industrial complex and Big Pharma; contamination of our food supply and water; etc.

It's just that now we don't think of the slaughter of millions of people as human sacrifice. That's barbaric! We're a civilized people so we've been conditioned to believe these people must die with reasons given such as national security, tough on crime, spreading democracy, scientific progress, etc. etc., Of course these people who must be slaughtered are almost always poor, and more often than not, brown.

The more I think about this article the more apparent the subtext becomes: human sacrifice is a necessary evil for the "greater good".
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby NaturalMystik » Wed Apr 06, 2016 10:40 am

divideandconquer » Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:24 am wrote:human sacrifice is a necessary evil for "greater control".
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:06 am

An important correction from Natural Mystik.

Too easy to fall into the Sovereign Loop, whereby good people obey your rules, so you know your rules are just.

Still, accurate to say that "greater good" is the euphemism that's been in play since before fitted pants...
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby 82_28 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:44 am

Perhaps now it is what we can loosely term a "technocratic human sacrifice". The God is technology. What if Siri or Cortana or that Amazon thing I don't feel like looking up started chirping out commands or nudges to kill someone? The engineers get to work to find out why this is. In the meantime, the digital god continues to function as to perpetually urge you in direction that can take any form. It depends on how and for what reason it was hacked.

I have OCD -- harm OCD. While never being in a fight or tried to hurt anyone ever, I am slightly susceptible to noticing psychological cues. Once I feel, yes feel as though my mind is being taken over in some form, I immediately disbelieve and discard it. Yet when it comes to weird sacrifices like this, I think it is plausible to consider our "modern" wits and apply the same biology within ourselves and then apply it to generations that did not have the technology we have now and how they could be controlled through symbolism and fear of not knowing where one was on a multitude of geographic and social levels.

It brings to mind this Ministry song (So What) that freaked me the fuck out as a kid. But I loved it nevertheless.

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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby Harvey » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:27 am

What about the cultures which ritually murdered their king?
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby divideandconquer » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:08 am

Harvey » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:27 am wrote:What about the cultures which ritually murdered their king?


This is the way I understand it.

The Killing of the King ritual is a form of consecration, an alchemical metaphor: monarchy: a leaden metal; the revolutionaries: quicksilver which dissolves into chaos to recreate humanity into gold

You either have monarchy, a symbol of unity, or you have an oligarchy, as a symbol of controlled chaos, or the psychological use of chaos for the sake of gaining power. Chaos increases the suggestive nature of those who live within it. Chaos, revolution, warfare, are absolutely central. People look for some group, some institution to save them and they’re willing to sacrifice quite a bit in order to be saved.

To understand modernity one must understand the importance of the evolutionary concept: the murder of God. In other words, natural law does not exist, it must be created according to the minds of the revolutionary elites. The elites will create the law, the very system within which you think, the building blocks of making a rational system.

The summoning of chaos, formless matter – Aristotle’s use of the word matter, that which can be created into anything because in and of itself, it is nothing – is the summoning of suggestibility. This manifests itself in revolutionary ideology, in the modern scientific mentality and especially in the idea of the evolutionary idea of primordial soup.

The foundation of all revolutionary systems: Dissolving everything into its component parts and then the revolutionary elite reforming it according to their own demands and desires.

In order for the evolutionary scientific establishment to work, natural law must be destroyed. There can’t be any natural law in the scientific mentality, it has to start with the primordial soup of absolutely nothing and from that Marxism, Capitalism, positivism, materialism which are all evolutionary concepts can evolve. Our mind and that of the material world become one and the same thing.
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby backtoiam » Sat Apr 09, 2016 9:38 am

:clapping:


divideandconquer » Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:08 am wrote:
Harvey » Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:27 am wrote:What about the cultures which ritually murdered their king?


This is the way I understand it.

The Killing of the King ritual is a form of consecration, an alchemical metaphor: monarchy: a leaden metal; the revolutionaries: quicksilver which dissolves into chaos to recreate humanity into gold

You either have monarchy, a symbol of unity, or you have an oligarchy, as a symbol of controlled chaos, or the psychological use of chaos for the sake of gaining power. Chaos increases the suggestive nature of those who live within it. Chaos, revolution, warfare, are absolutely central. People look for some group, some institution to save them and they’re willing to sacrifice quite a bit in order to be saved.

To understand modernity one must understand the importance of the evolutionary concept: the murder of God. In other words, natural law does not exist, it must be created according to the minds of the revolutionary elites. The elites will create the law, the very system within which you think, the building blocks of making a rational system.

The summoning of chaos, formless matter – Aristotle’s use of the word matter, that which can be created into anything because in and of itself, it is nothing – is the summoning of suggestibility. This manifests itself in revolutionary ideology, in the modern scientific mentality and especially in the idea of the evolutionary idea of primordial soup.

The foundation of all revolutionary systems: Dissolving everything into its component parts and then the revolutionary elite reforming it according to their own demands and desires.

In order for the evolutionary scientific establishment to work, natural law must be destroyed. There can’t be any natural law in the scientific mentality, it has to start with the primordial soup of absolutely nothing and from that Marxism, Capitalism, positivism, materialism which are all evolutionary concepts can evolve. Our mind and that of the material world become one and the same thing.
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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby Metric Pringle » Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:39 pm

In Bolivia they say this practice still happens, taking a drunk from the street and then burying him alive in the foundations of a new building to give it strength.

This video based on that urban legend...

https://vimeo.com/72305344

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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby chump » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:10 pm


https://youtu.be/znQe9nUKzvQ

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This thread seems good as any to post Prince Ray's always interesting analysis of the enlightened whiteys' methods of madness for sacrificing and enslaving indigenous sapiens . His essay is too long to post entirely, so here's a small slice to whet your whistle - and where you can read his rant for yourself:

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/20 ... inal-four/

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... For generations, the du Pont family have maintained a tight ring of secrecy and silence behind its family background and history.[65] The family dynasty is traced back to a humble French watchmaker’s son, Samuel du Pont. His claim to fame came through being a protégé of Dr. Francois Quesnay, the personal physician of Louis XV’s verified Satanic Mistress, Madame de Pompador (Montespan).[66] She had been a devotee and part of the Black Mass Coven of Catherine Monvoisin, or Montvoisin, nee Deshayes, known as “La Voisin.” Her cult (Affair of the Poisons) was suspected to have killed anywhere between 1000-2500 people in Black Masses to conjure up the favor of the DEVIL for the rich, famous and the King’s Court.[67]

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The Witch and the Madame de Montespan would call on the DEVIL, and pray to him for the King’s love. They conjured the power of DEMONS and the DEVIL for that love by sacrificing a newborn’s life by slitting its throat with a knife. Next, the baby’s body would be crushed, and the drained blood and mashed bones would be used in the mixture of a Devilish love potion. King Louis’ food was tainted in this way for almost thirteen years, until the witch was captured after a police investigation where they uncovered the remains of 2,500 infants in La Voisin’s garden. In 1666, Madame de Montespan supposedly went so far as to allow a priest, Etienne Guilbourg, to perform a Black Mass over her nude body in a blood-soaked ceremony, which was also said to have included infant sacrifice.[68]

The Satanic Cult of La Voisin, Madame de Montespan and Physiocrat Dr. Francois Quesnay had to have been some devilish influence on Samuel du Pont and the family dynasty. By the way, Dr. Quesnay was a bit of a DEVIL himself, he said, “that, since the serfs on the aristocratic landlord’s estate were only human cattle, whose income should not exceed the feeding and other care due them as a form of cattle, the only source of the profit of the estate must be the magical powers of ownership (e.g., “shareholder value”) expressed by the award of the title to the landlord.”[69]

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By the way again, Satanic Butcher Benjamin Franklin was also a close friend of Pierre Samuel du Pont, the son of Samuel. Pierre’s mother, Anne Alexandrine Montechanin, taught him to be a medium with spirits. Like his father, Pierre flourished in the inner core of the French Elite and Palace Satanist Cults and Circles.[70] Pierre was a notorious Masonic brother of Butcher Ben and probably much more secret. When Benjamin Franklin arrived Dec. 1776 in France, one of the first people who sought out to visit with was Pierre Samuel du Pont. During the next year after that, DuPont was a frequent visitor to Franklin’s residence in the village of Passy. They should dig that place up, too. In 1783, du Pont expected to sit with Franklin at the treaty table in Paris.[71]

There is a lot of speculation whether or not the family had married into the “Cousinhood.” But by and large, the du Pont Family ranks among the top 13 Satanic/ILLUMINATI families in the world, today. Of course, if any du Pont Family member had renovated the Rosa Hall Great House, a whole bunch of people would have known immediately what’s really up with that. So, John Rollins did the dirty-dirty with no cost shared.

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In Ian Fleming’s novel, Goldfinger, Junius du Pont was introduced as a member of SMERSH, the “Cousinhood.” [72] Also in Goldfinger, Bond was sent to Mexico to shut down a heroin smuggling operation by fire-bombing the production facility (owned by a man named John Blackwell). Fleming’s golf partner, John Blackwell was a cousin to Blanche Blackwell.[73]



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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby justdrew » Sat Apr 09, 2016 3:44 pm

Harvey » 09 Apr 2016 00:27 wrote:What about the cultures which ritually murdered their king?


well, it's not murder, not a surprise to the king :shrug:



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Re: The ‘darker link’ between ancient human sacrifice

Postby FourthBase » Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:32 pm

NaturalMystik » 05 Apr 2016 10:57 wrote:
Of the 20 “egalitarian” societies they studied — so termed because they didn’t allow inheritance of wealth and status between generations — just 25 percent practiced human sacrifice. By contrast, 37 percent of the 46 moderately stratified societies — where wealth and status could be inherited, but it wasn’t necessarily linked to wildly different living standards or pronounced social classes —had the practice. And among the 27 highly stratified cultures, where inherited class differences were strictly enforced with little opportunity for social mobility, a whopping 65 percent committed ritual killings.


Interesting numbers there...

Speaking to Smithsonian Magazine, lead researcher Joseph Watts noted that ritual killings often occurred in elaborate ceremonies that exploited gore as effectively as an HBO show: “It’s not just a matter of killing efficiently. There’s more to it than that,” he said. “The terror and spectacle [of the act] was maximized.”


Wait, why bother kill when you can just show everyone sacrifice on TV? Oh, I get it... :wink

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Doesn't the fact that so many people are entertained by watching simulated murder suggest that it's not necessarily all about control but may also be about appeasing the thirsty masses?

Surprised no one brought up Rene Girard.

chump » 09 Apr 2016 13:10 wrote:

https://youtu.be/znQe9nUKzvQ

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This thread seems good as any to post Prince Ray's always interesting analysis of the enlightened whiteys' methods of madness for sacrificing and enslaving indigenous sapiens . His essay is too long to post entirely, so here's a small slice to whet your whistle - and where you can read his rant for yourself:

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/20 ... inal-four/

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Witch La Voisin & Madame de Pompador


... For generations, the du Pont family have maintained a tight ring of secrecy and silence behind its family background and history.[65] The family dynasty is traced back to a humble French watchmaker’s son, Samuel du Pont. His claim to fame came through being a protégé of Dr. Francois Quesnay, the personal physician of Louis XV’s verified Satanic Mistress, Madame de Pompador (Montespan).[66] She had been a devotee and part of the Black Mass Coven of Catherine Monvoisin, or Montvoisin, nee Deshayes, known as “La Voisin.” Her cult (Affair of the Poisons) was suspected to have killed anywhere between 1000-2500 people in Black Masses to conjure up the favor of the DEVIL for the rich, famous and the King’s Court.[67]

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The Witch and the Madame de Montespan would call on the DEVIL, and pray to him for the King’s love. They conjured the power of DEMONS and the DEVIL for that love by sacrificing a newborn’s life by slitting its throat with a knife. Next, the baby’s body would be crushed, and the drained blood and mashed bones would be used in the mixture of a Devilish love potion. King Louis’ food was tainted in this way for almost thirteen years, until the witch was captured after a police investigation where they uncovered the remains of 2,500 infants in La Voisin’s garden. In 1666, Madame de Montespan supposedly went so far as to allow a priest, Etienne Guilbourg, to perform a Black Mass over her nude body in a blood-soaked ceremony, which was also said to have included infant sacrifice.[68]


I thought this all had to be bullshit, and felt like the bullshit was confirmed when I looked up Madame Pompadour and saw she was the mistress of entirely different King Louis with zero connection to a witch, but nope, turns out that shit is real.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Voisin

In parallel, a riot took place where people accused witches of abducting children for the black masses, and priests reported that a growing number of people were confessing to poisoning in their confessions.


A witch hunt!
A satanic panic!

Except: REAL.

Was she alone? Nope!

She did admit that "Paris is full of this kind of thing and there is an infinite number of people engaged in this evil trade"


Funny how we always hear about the Salem Witch Trials but never about La Voisin. What's that joke about how many witches died in Salem? "Zero, because there's no such thing as witches!" Insert a deep fake of Louis XIV's face on Trump's "Wrong" gif.

So let's see if she'd been brought up on this board any other times before, hmmm...yep, only once, by our resident anti-feminist Stephen Morgan.

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