Stabbings in Sacramento White Power Standoff

[82_28]

The injuries seem to sound non lethal.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/26/us/brawl- ... index.html

One thing I want to say though and was really the reason I'm making an OP is that the news is that these white supremacists had a high school outreach program. Same thing in Colorado in the 1990s. But it sounds like the "antifascists" started it or something. Obviously nobody has any idea. I wish Twyla were still chillin. Her sister got lured in the same way. High school outreach.

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Why aren't the antifa brigades able to get enough numbers to roll out the knives and baseball bats at e.g. Trump rallies?

[Nordic]

Deja Vu. Didn't this exact same thing happen not very long ago in some other part of Cali?

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Deja Vu. Didn't this exact same thing happen not very long ago in some other part of Cali?

Aye; Anaheim.

[82_28]

Both sides could have rolled up their sleeves and got to work helping to fight the out of control wildfires in California. I'm not saying get out there without training on the front lines but staff the relief tents and water delivery and stuff. If you got time to burn during a real emergency, you have time to help.

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Both sides could have rolled up their sleeves and got to work helping to fight the out of control wildfires in California. I'm not saying get out there without training on the front lines but staff the relief tents and water delivery and stuff. If you got time to burn during a real emergency, you have time to help.

82_82, I think about half of the posts I read of yours are impossible to predict.

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I dunno if that's good or bad. But I'm pretty predictable. One thing with me is that if you see something cruel outta me that means it's a joke. I hate obfuscation and can never let confusion rule the mind of another that I happened to have caused. I've often thought the same with Wombat and Barracuda.

[brekin]

I dunno if that's good or bad. But I'm pretty predictable. One thing with me is that if you see something cruel outta me that means it's a joke. I hate obfuscation and can never let confusion rule the mind of another that I happened to have caused. I've often thought the same with Wombat and Barracuda.

I call it good.

[American Dream]

Antifa Weekend Wrap-Up!

Such a busy weekend around the world! Here’s what went down:


SACRAMENTO:



After loudly declaring a neo-nazi “mega rally” that they claimed would attract 150+ racist scum to the California state capital, the Traditional Workers’ Party and Golden State SkinBoneheads managed to bring out maybe twenty people. Even TWP chairman Matthew Heimbac couldn’t be bothered to show up, possibly because he prefers sucker-punching black women at Trump rallies to not behaving like a total coward.

400+ antifa spent most of the afternoon running the boneheads right the fuck out of town. Unfortunately, six antifa had to receive medical treatment for stab wounds or blunt force trauma after been stabbed by bigots - none of whom were arrested despite attempting to murder people in full view of hundreds of well-armed cops. The po-po were much more concerned with getting the nazis home safe than stopping them from stabbing people. You know what they say: cops & the Klan go hand-in-hand.

Support fund is set up to help injured/arrested antifa in Sacto - click here to donate!

More at: http://antifainternational.tumblr.com/p ... nd-wrap-up

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You know what they say: cops & the Klan go hand-in-hand.

So why, in this specific case, did the cops allow AntiFa access to swarm and thump upon on the nazis in question?

Based on the footage I saw they were setting up the TWP attendees for a beatdown, which they did not receive meekly.

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Isn't unprecedented. I had a shirt that had a photo of KKK people on it and written underneath it said IDIOCY. I literally almost got stabbed by a black dude -- had a knife to my neck and everything. All my friends had to step in and talk the guy down and explain it was IDIOCY. Still here.

Anyhow similar attacks on nazis happened in Denver at the capitol building in 1992. I think the police had to bring out a bus to safely transport the nazis. Can't remember.

Go help fight the fires, assholes.

Klan Rally Sparks Violence at Denver King Celebration : Holiday: Protesters objecting to hate group's presence battle with police. Observances elsewhere are largely peaceful.
January 21, 1992|ANN ROVIN | SPECIAL TO THE TIMES

DENVER — Martin Luther King Day observances turned violent Monday when police, clad in riot gear, clashed with thousands of demonstrators protesting a Ku Klux Klan rally on the state capitol steps.

Three police officers were injured by rocks and bottles and at least five protesters were treated at Denver General Hospital, said police spokesman Det. Dave Metzler. Police said they arrested 21 people, including six juveniles.

The disturbances took place after one of the largest local celebrations of Martin Luther King Day. Earlier in the day, between 6,000 and 8,000 people paraded through east Denver. But trouble erupted when authorities tried to take participants in a klan rally away by bus.

Elsewhere, King day observances were more peaceful.

At a service in Atlanta, King's hometown, Winnie Mandela said South Africa's fight for freedom has "come full circle" from an armed struggle to King's nonviolent philosophy. And in Phoenix, up to 5,000 people--a smaller crowd than in previous years--turned out in the rain to march in support of a paid state holiday for King in Arizona, the only state without one, although New Hampshire's civil rights holiday does not honor King by name.

The Denver disturbance began near a side exit to the capitol as authorities were escorting participants in the klan rally from the scene. About 1,000 klan opponents began pelting officers with snowballs, bottles and even cans of snuff. Police, in gas masks and deployed in riot lines, responded by shooting tear gas canisters into the crowd.

Although several canisters were picked up and thrown back, officers were able to slowly drive the protesters down the street. At one point a small group attempted to turn an unoccupied police car onto its side, but quit when three more tear gas canisters were sent off.

Later, youths ran down a nearby shopping district and ransacked a Foot Locker sports clothing store, punching two store employees, the store manager said.

In all, police said, protesters damaged five police cars, overturning one. One police officer, who was hit in the chest with a snowball packed with a large rock, may have suffered a bruised heart and was hospitalized overnight for observation, police said.

Police Chief Jim Collier described the protesters as mostly youths who set out to spark a confrontation with the klan demonstrators.

Still, some felt the police overreacted.

"I think the police are really instigating it to some extent," said spectator Dave Kolko, 28. "I was standing up on the hill and the police just started pushing people back and gassing people."

Earlier, at a ceremony in front of a statue of King in City Park, Mayor Wellington Webb prayed for the klan members, calling them "misguided representatives of hatred and intolerance."

"Those who would spread evil and racial hatred . . . need our prayers," said Webb, Denver's first black mayor.

The klan's rally, following the parade, took place amid a heavy police presence on the state capitol steps. It drew about 100 white supremacists, including Thom Robb, national director of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. As Robb spoke, however, a police helicopter circled the capitol steps, making it impossible for his message to be heard by most of the King day participants.

Terming the holiday a "Day of Infamy for America," Robb called for a popular vote on whether the day should remain a national holiday.

As he and others spoke, some members of the King day crowd lobbed snowballs and other items at the speakers. Standing by was a force of more than 400 police officers, including 300 in riot gear.

The klan's rally took place after the group's right to gather was endorsed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Colorado and upheld by a federal judge. Earlier, two applications by the klan to rally at the capitol had been denied by Gov. Roy Romer.

In Atlanta, after the three-hour service at King's Ebenezer Baptist Church, Mandela, wife of African National Congress President Nelson Mandela, joined Coretta Scott King, King's widow, in leading a memorial parade.

A rally at the end of the Atlanta parade turned into a pep rally of opposition to President Bush, who visited the King Center on Friday.

"Don't vote for Bush," the crowd chanted.

Arizona's controversy also was mentioned in the Atlanta service. The keynote speaker, the Rev. James Alexander Forbes Jr. of New York's Riverside Church, denounced the rap group Public Enemy for its recent video portraying blacks assassinating white officials in Arizona.

"Don't go around suggesting destruction as a way to honor Dr. King," Forbes said.

And in Philadelphia, Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam, a black Muslim sect that had differences with King, told about 16,000 people at the Philadelphia Civic Center that he had changed his opinion.

"As I look back at the life of Dr. King, I see Dr. King as a genuine American hero," he said.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-01-21/ ... klan-rally

[Iamwhomiam]

OT 82, if you ever again have a feeling that some might think of you in a wrong way, just post the pic of you placing the baby bird back in its nest, and save yourself all that typing. A picture is worth a thousand words.

(Unless your name is Mac, who can produce a thousand words about a picture.)

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OT 82, if you ever again have a feeling that some might think of you in a wrong way, just post the pic of you placing the baby bird back in its nest, and save yourself all that typing. A picture is worth a thousand words.

(Unless your name is Mac, who can produce a thousand words about a picture.)

Damn. You remember that? It's definitely not on this computer I'm using now. It could be on an external hard drive I still have but don't have the power cord for it. Did I post it here? If so, do you remember the thread? I would have had to have uploaded it somewhere somehow. I'd like to see that little contraption I built again.

[Iamwhomiam]

Yes, you posted it here, but I have no idea where, or when. Sorry!

Ok searched my postings for the word "Cigarette" ~ Nada

Searched your postings for "Bird" and found it, here: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=344282#p344282

[American Dream]

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/opin ... abb5%27%5D

Goodrum: Giving fascists a platform makes them stronger

Ian Goodrum, The Stranger

I'm going to commit a cardinal sin of journalism, and I hope you'll find it in your heart to forgive me: I'm going to openly, specifically criticize a fellow member of the media.

The reporting out of Sacramento, where a rally of the white nationalist "Traditionalist Workers Party" turned to violence after hundreds of antifascists showed up to protest, was shameful. On-the-ground coverage was spearheaded by a local affiliate, whose reporter chose to put "Nazi," "counter-protester" and "fascist" in quotes while uploading photos and video to Twitter.

When the mayhem started, the distortion continued, as the principles of journalistic objectivity were exercised to claim the melee — where pockets of antifa protesters were separated from the larger group and assaulted, leaving six people critically injured and five with stab wounds — broke out because both sides chose to escalate. When larger outlets picked up the story, this was exaggerated further, with reports pointing out the "Traditionalists" had a permit and were outnumbered by the counter-protest.

Two things must be divined from this incident: Whether these people were fascists, making the use of quotes unnecessary; and whether both sides held responsibility for the bloody flare-up.

First, let's take a look at the party's website, publicly available though I won't be linking it here. I found some choice quotes and figured we could play a game: "Traditionalists or Nazis?" You tell me which quote you think is from the site, and which is from the 25-point program of the National Socialist German Worker's Party.

All immigrants caught advocating for foreign governments will have their citizenship revoked and will be deported post haste. Private charities, civic organizations, and corporations will be monitored for foreign subversive activity and those found guilty will be vigorously prosecuted.

We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination.

The organized Jewish community’s record of deceit, duplicity, and double-standards in lobbying against our interests within the political system is unmatched.

For those playing at home, it goes Traditionalists, Nazis, Nazis, Traditionalists. Let me know how you scored.

Second, the violence. I've looked over the videos posted online and have yet to find an instance of an antifascist protester instigating the carnage. Those unfortunate enough to leave the larger assembly were set upon by party members, who have posted pictures to social media of the implements they were bringing to the rally. I wasn't able to find video of a stabbing, but the most prominent footage shows a "traditionalist" armed with a baseball bat striking the skull of a long-haired protester dazed from a pepper spraying. It's stomach-turning stuff, especially when you consider the media narrative is painting the assaulted party as equally complicit.

The "it can't happen here" mentality makes it easy to forget fascists thrive on liberal spaces that grant them a venue for their odious views. Collaborations with the far-right created an opening for them to rise in Europe in the early 20th century. The old axiom of "well, Hitler was elected" doesn't jibe with the facts — both the Weimar government and the German Social Democrats thought the Nazis could be contained with concessions to the party, and by placing Hitler in the position of chancellor and lifting the ban on the Sturmabteilung paramilitaries, gave the Nazi leader a means to consolidate his influence and seize state power without ever holding a majority.

And we're seeing early indicators of that collaboration now. The current Ukrainian government used nationalists as shock troops to depose Viktor Yanukovych. An openly anti-immigrant nationalist party, Golden Dawn, continues to attack migrants and refugees while jockeying for power in the Greek parliament. By conceding a referendum on European Union membership to far-right forces in Britain as a ploy to stay in power, David Cameron's Conservative Party has given the dais to vicious anti-immigrant sentiment.

Which is why the reporting on Sacramento has enabled these fascists. Harping on denial of free speech, equating the two groups when the videos show which side turned to violence, distancing the "Traditionalist Party" from the Nazis on doctrinal quibbles energizes this movement, portraying vile white supremacists as beaten-down underdogs deserving of liberal sympathies. This party's insistence on separatism over superiority is a smokescreen for their true aims — the creation of a "white state" which regards outgroups and dissenters as second-class citizens and the intensifying of discriminatory power structures in our government and economy. And like the Rosa Luxemburgs and Ernst Thalmanns of yesteryear, we can guess how such a state would treat its outspoken enemies. The remedy tends to include a bullet, a deep hole and a bag of lime.

Asking the leader of this party for a comment via Twitter — as reporters already have — is adding insult to injury. We already have his comment: It's written in the blood of people who stood to oppose his party's warped values. Sometimes it's OK not to ask for comment. Sometimes, there's a moral imperative to refuse it.

By allowing fascism a veneer of legitimacy, by granting it a platform — by treating it as merely one of many competing ideologies — you are not only giving it the freedom to spread.

You're hastening my demise.