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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby Burnt Hill » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:49 pm

backtoiam » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:31 pm wrote:
Burnt Hill said:

When your reality is one of oppression its damn hard to unite with your oppressor.


You are correct sir. Which is what I was alluding to earlier in another thread about billionaire money flowing into these events. quis bono? who benefits?


Okay I get what your saying.

Makes you appreciate Luther Blissett's methods even more.

* Which I see you do just as I was posting this!
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby brainpanhandler » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:15 pm

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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby Cordelia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:20 pm

Novem5er wrote:Cordelia, good observation, and actually linking the salute to ancient Roman culture fits better with Trump's Mussolini narrative.

semper occultus » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:54 pm wrote:...that ups the ante a bit though....Ann Coulter's going to have to come on goose-stepping to Wagner or something...


That cracked me up more than I can express in words :thumbsup


It's certainly a strange and flagrant gesture to the tyrannic empire. Well practiced (could it have been doctored? :shrug: )

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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby Novem5er » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:42 pm

I don't think this was doctored because people recorded it live on television and multiple news channels were all showing the same feed.

Personally, I don't think she was signaling "I am a Nazi" but was rather giving a big middle-finger to the Left, knowing pissing off the liberal blogosphere while having easy deniability, while also signaling to the segment of her audience who would find such gestures welcoming.

Or . . .. we could go FULL RI and say that she's signaling to the silent, Nazi majority of conservative America that we all know is there.

I'm 50/50 on it.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:10 pm

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She was trolling, taking a page from uber-troll Trump, the WWF champion viral/meme-generator.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:25 pm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512272537
Male Escorts Making Coin With RNC In Cleveland

RNC So Gay: Male Escorts Rake It In and Craigslist Sees Surge in Hook-Up Ads


by Sean Mandell
July 21, 2016 | 5:09pm


Cleveland has been teeming with gay sex ever since the Republican National Convention came to town, according to reports.
Among those making Cleveland extra gay this week are male prostitutes who are in high demand among older, allegedly heterosexual male Republican delegates.The New York Post reports:

“Business has been way better. I’ve seen 10 clients so far,” one male escort said. “Most of them were first-timers. You could tell they were nervous, but once they became more comfortable, they seemed to be having a good time.” Another escort said he had already earned $1,600 since Monday — over six times the amount he usually makes. “I normally only make $200 to $300, but I’ve been seeing lots of guys in hotels downtown,” he said, noting the boom in business near the Quicken Loans Arena. The clientele has included mostly married white men between the ages of 40 and 50, said another escort who’s seen eight johns so far. One escort added that he wasn’t surprised by the surge in business, saying, “The Republicans have a lot of delegates in the closet, let’s put it that way.”

Also booming this week in Cleveland, is the traffic on Craigslist’s “men seeking men” personal ads. The Daily Dot reports: It seems like every man who’s in Cleveland for the RNC wants to have hot gayanal sex with another dude—or preferably, a giant man-on-man muscle orgy of conservative lobbyists in suits and ties (with maybe the butts cut out of the pants, though). Many of the Craigslist ads were written in sado-masochistic language, with a particularly competitive streak running through them. Locals and attendees were ready to use, or be used, mercilessly. “You are visiting. You can act like the true bitch bottom you really are and the folks back home will know nothing,” wrote one domineering top who posted two consecutive ads seeking to fill some “little RNC holes.”

And while male escorts and MSM are experiencing a windfall thanks to the RNC, female prostitutes aren’t so lucky, as The Post points out. When contacted by The Post, females for hire said they’re making much less money than normal. “Has business been better for me? Honestly, no,” one woman said before abruptly hanging up the phone.

And neither are Cleveland businesses in general. Via CBS News: Several blocks away, employees at newly opened Coastal Taco say the supposed Republican National Convention economic boom has been a bust. “We’ve sent people home, take the night off,” said managing partner Erin Clyde. They staffed up and extended hours, which was apparently unnecessary.
“I mean it’s going to be great, it’s going to be this huge windfall, and you know it hasn’t been,” Clyde said. “In fact it’s been a little bit of a ghost town.” Heightened security concerns and Donald Trump’s controversial candidacy turned away millions of dollars in corporate sponsorship. That meant fewer parties with rented-out restaurants, and less cash for businesses and employees.

http://www.towleroad.com/2016/07/rnc-gay/

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Ok now normally I wouldn't give a flying f*** about this but the hypocrisy of it is so disturbing. In choosing Mike Pence as VP, Donald Trump basically wants to set the LGBT Civil Rights movement back decades. I don't give a damn what people do behind closed doors. Have sex with animals. I don't care. Its not my bedroom, not hurting me, nor quite frankly is it any of my business. But for these same people to be rah-rah-rah in that convention hall in support of a ticket that is anti-LGBT but then sneaking away from their wives at night to get some DL action it pisses me off because you are a hypocrite. I get that many people don't have environments that make it easy for them to come out of the closet but that doesn't mean you have to support those who want to LEGISLATE for denying equality to the LGBT community. I hope they catch something and their dick's fall off.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:32 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:01 am

I always thought, growing up in the Reaganism and macho tough guy movie culture of the 1980's, how funny it'd be if Arnold or Rambo Stallone became president. Then Predator stars Arnold and Jesse Ventura
became governors. Now we're witnesses one of the biggest 80's tv personalities I remember coming close to becoming the next president. But also oozing every ounce of cliche super villain machismo
from corporate bad guys and mad men from movies like Robocop, Total Recall, Running Man, ect. It's almost like some sort of bizarro meta version of a character from Heavy Metal magazine, manifesting itself
in a way too surreal, yet almost too perfect. I only wish Bill Hicks, Carlin and HS Thompson were around today for their thoughts. Despite the ocean of understandable sickening feelings people have toward Trump and the Trump phenomenon, there is something eerily magical(a dark magic nonetheless) with his character. I don't think he's as buffoonish and idiotic as people claim. Unlike Bush and every other Republican politician, he doesn't appear to have any puppeteers or shadowy string puller elites. But I could be wrong. Either way, the Macdonalds Mousolini is here, and Idiocracy is now a documentary in reverse.

Btw, scariest line of the speech? My money is on Trump's deliberate line of “We don’t want them in our country.” wow






ugly and surreal. Like Trumps staged interruption of Cruz last night, everything about this convention feels so classic WWF, despite a relatively calm protest non scene outside.
Having consumed way too many hours of both Cenk TYT and in the past the Alex Jones Show, very surreal to see them literally almost get into a fight with Trump advisor Roger Stone in tow.
I can imagine Milo Yianappolous, Alex Jones and Roger Stone have a bright future in Il Duce Toupee's cabinet.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:02 am

Well, guys. I think we're fucked. What the fuck is a lefty to do? I'm quite bummed that I don't think Trump can be fucking beat and the most likely person who can is someone I can't stand either.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:36 am

damn

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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby semper occultus » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:13 am

...anger can be ugly in its manifestations but in the circumstances its not unjustified and if channeled correctly can be one of the few things that brings about change...it just needs to be directed at the right people...
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby RocketMan » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:51 am

At their best, The World Socialist Website does righteous anger pretty well. :lol2:

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/07 ... s-j20.html

The Republicans plumb the depths

As one follows the Republican National Convention, one cannot avoid the conclusion that some fundamental political boundary is being crossed.

There is little reason to idealize the political history of the United States. The conventions of the two capitalist parties—attended by several thousand delegates representing a cross section of corrupt politicos and operatives in the pay of Big Business—have usually been sordid affairs. Over the past half-century they have resulted in the nominations of people such as Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and the two Bushes. And yet this Republican Party convention in Cleveland, which has just officially chosen Donald Trump as its candidate for president, represents something new, ugly and sick.

Even as socialists, who have carefully followed, analyzed and explained the protracted crisis of American democracy, it is difficult to suppress a feeling of disgust, akin to nausea, as one watches the proceedings. One cannot help but ask oneself, “Has it really come to this?” The convention is a display of the grotesque and the absurd, in which all that is seedy, stupid, backward, cruel and reactionary in American politics and culture is on display.

An air of demoralized paranoia dominates the convention. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” the speakers describe a country in irreversible breakdown, beset by enemies inside and out. In the speeches, filled with appeals to the military and the police, one senses, beneath all the braggadocio, a ruling class extremely nervous about its future.

Donald Trump emerged from a silhouetted stage on Monday night to introduce his wife, who was about to read her plagiarized tribute to her hero. Unfortunately, there is not to be found among the ranks of present-day journalists the equal of an H.L Mencken, who certainly would have drawn attention to the absurd irony of hysterical evangelical delegates choosing as their prophet a thrice-wed man who publicly extols the size of his private parts and has entertained the New York tabloids with descriptions of his most memorable sexual encounters.

Another great American satirist, Sinclair Lewis, the author of Elmer Gantry and It Can’t Happen Here, would probably have seen in the excitement of the delegates proof that the United States is a country where puritanical hysteria commingles with a fascination for the pornographic, and where pious moral virtue never stops the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

There is very little that is original in the person of Trump, except, perhaps, that his limitless self-obsession and narcissism have allowed him to become a vessel into which the greed and criminality of the American ruling class can be poured. In his personal history, he stands out only for his ability to combine the phenomenon of the crooked CEO with the celebrity culture of American television.

As the World Socialist Web Site has pointed out before, Trump’s particular fascistic personality was forged not in the beer halls of Munich and the trenches of World War I, but in the real estate market of New York City. With his casinos, his fictional universities and his endless stream of failed businesses, this personification of corporate fraud could hardly be a more fitting symbol for the state of American capitalism.

That Trump emerges from a broader political degradation is evident in the convention, the events that surround it and the line-up of speakers, each more reactionary than the last. On Monday, there was Rudolph Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, who, in his screaming for vengeance and blood, appeared to be doing his best impression of Benito Mussolini. Giuliani came after Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke, who recently declared that the country was in the midst of a civil war, pitting defenders of law and order against revolutionary Marxist forces, Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter, which he lumped together with the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

The Republican Party Platform was passed quickly on Monday. Officially dedicated to the military and the police, it outlines a program for eliminating every legal, financial and government restraint on the accumulation of wealth by the capitalist class. It calls for repealing the 16th amendment, which established the federal income tax; lowering the corporate tax rate; eliminating government regulations; cutting Medicaid and transitioning Medicare into a program for subsidizing the purchase of private insurance; cutting Social Security; replacing remaining welfare programs with “the dynamic compassion of work requirements” and abolishing the Environmental Protection Agency. The platform also adopts Trump’s proposal to build a wall on the US-Mexico border.


It enshrines a form of clerical authoritarianism, with government based on religious principles. Aside from the ubiquitous references to God, the platform would ban abortion under all conditions, protect corporations and other entities that discriminate on the basis of religious prejudice, and overturn court rulings legalizing gay marriage.

The most significant element of the Republican Party platform, however, is what it says about foreign policy—asserting that the United States must subordinate the entire world to the interests of American corporations. “We cannot allow foreign governments to limit American access to their markets while stealing our designs, patents, brands, know-how, and technology,” it proclaims. “We cannot allow China to continue its currency manipulation, exclusion of US products from government purchases, and subsidization of Chinese companies to thwart American imports.”

In the Middle East, it calls for forcing out Assad in Syria, going to war with Hezbollah in Lebanon, repudiating the Obama administration’s deal with Iran, expanding the war in Iraq and unconditionally supporting Israel. The platform backs the arming of Ukraine against Russia and pledges to “meet the return of Russian belligerence with the same resolve that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.”

Summing up the drive of American imperialism to dominate the entire globe, the platform asserts that the United States must “retake its natural position as leader of the free world” by “rebuilding the US military into the strongest on earth, with vast superiority over any other nation or group of nations in the world.”

This is a program for a Fortress America, armed to the teeth. It is an agenda that cannot be realized without the implementation of a police state, the reduction of the working class to absolute poverty, and the launching of world war.

With the Democratic Party convention coming up next week, we will have the opportunity to analyze the other side of the US political system. However, it must be said that the characteristics revealed in the Republican convention and the persona of Trump are an expression of the decay of not just one party, let alone one individual, but of the political and social system as a whole. What is to some extent concealed in the Democratic Party is revealed more fully in the Republican Party. The nomination of Trump is a nodal point in the terminal crisis of American capitalism.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby stefano » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:21 am

Novem5er » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:08 pm wrote:Cordelia, good observation, and actually linking the salute to ancient Roman culture fits better with Trump's Mussolini narrative.

Looking it up now, it seems that the 'Roman salute' might actually have originated with that painting by David.

On fascist gestures, though, did anyone pick up the incredibly creepy way they use 'lock her up' as a two-minute hate chant?

Here's Christie's speech, check out the woman at 2:19 and 7:38.



I also noticed this one, although it never really got off the ground (this guy and a few others were doing it):

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It made me think of:

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(from Run like hell, on Pink Floyd's The wall).

I watched Christie's speech because The Onion had a good joke in which they show the speech with snarky comments on the side. Pretty interesting, when you consider they were bought by Univision for explicitly poltical purposes:

"Comedy is playing an expanding role in our culture as a vehicle for audiences to explore, debate, and understand the important ideas of our time," said Isaac Lee, chief news and digital Officer of Univision and CEO of Fusion. "It has also proven to be an incredibly engaging format for millennial audiences, and is expected to play a key part in the 2016 presidential election process via our robust content offerings in Spanish and English."
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby SonicG » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:34 am

It's kind of amazing how the Nazis imbued such psychic (negative) power into what was just an old Roman salute...It seems like a lot of hand-wringing about nothing and distracts from the absolute BS that is being proposed by the new Repub. Party. A lot gobleygoke and a platform built on late-80s hysterias....
Instead of salutes, I thought the juxtaposition of Rand's interns with the Demo. ones was very very telling. It is really amazing how the exit of Obama is really dredging up a lot of unsettled racial conflict in the US, and yet...I like the idea that the biggest hit on Broadway right now, and a true classic of the ages musicals by all accounts, is Hamilton. The American Revolution re-envisioned in rap.
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Re: 2016 Republican Convention

Postby NeonLX » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:52 am

semper occultus » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:13 am wrote:...anger can be ugly in its manifestations but in the circumstances its not unjustified and if channeled correctly can be one of the few things that brings about change...it just needs to be directed at the right people...


(Emphasis mine)

And therein lies the rub...the "right" people to whom anger should be directed aren't the right people, from the perspective of the republicans. The democrats aren't a helluva lot better, but at least their rhetoric doesn't sound quite so bloodthirsty. So maybe I should give the republicans credit. They are right up front with their hatred and fear for all to see. The democrats are more nuanced (and slippery).
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