What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[DrEvil]

guruilla wrote:
...apparently it's simply because he hasn't been proven to be a pedophile so any indications he might be involved in pedophilia ~ including solid leads that have nothing at all to do with his sick-ass Instagram account ~ should just be ignored?

If I go through every post you've made here and everything you might have posted on social media over the years I can probably find something that I can take out of context and twist around to make it look like you might be a member of a pedophile network. Your blog would be an excellent place to send coded messages to your co-conspirators, and some of you probably have basements.
Would it be OK for me to shout that to the world? You know, just asking questions (JAQing off)?

A whole bunch of people, including the lunatic who showed up at his business with a fucking rifle, now thinks he is a pedophile, "evidence" be damned.
If the guy is perfectly innocent it's still too late. The damage is done - his life is probably fucked.
This is just an extreme version of "Have you stopped beating your wife?".

[Joe Hillshoist]

The notion that there is no crime without survivor testimony is one that serves the interests primarily of child abusers. WHAT ABOUT CHILDREN WHO ARE ABUSED WHEN THEY ARE PRE-VERBAL, for the love of God? And what if you add to that the fact, or at least the strong possibility, that many victims of child sex trafficking & ritual abuse do not live to tell the tale and their bodies are never found? Or that a vast percentage of those who do live to tell the tale, don't? Ever?

Then how do you know it happened?

This is an important thing, because without some indication that something happened that was illegal and harmed people then any actual accusations or whatever are baseless. you may have some "gnosis" about the world being run by criminals but in a secular society we don't allow people's 'revelations" to dictate what happens to other people.

I know this presents problems for bringing perpetrators to justice but it still needs to happen if you want a society where everyday people don't go round killing each other at the drop of a hat (and no this isn't a refernece to what happened at CP recently.)

If you can't even engage with that idea then you need to reconsider what you are doing. And whether acting in such a way interferes with your ability to act in good faith.

Also how much of pizzagate is a process of self brain washing. If you look at pizzagate with anything other than a skeptical eye you are going to end up indulging in confirmation bias, which that will do nothing for any real victims (if they do exist.) Remember that thing about the basement you posted the other day? Hardly rigorous. i know its not easy to take "advice" like this from someone you probably think is just trying to shut you down, but you're more likely to be successful with this if you are more scathing of your own ideas and theiories and attack them yourself to see how strongly they stand up against "the real world" and against people trying to falsify them.

[Joe Hillshoist]

And what is with Monty Sibley anyway?

It was about the time the DC Madam thing (ie the gag order) happened that Ping Pong Pizza started wasn't it?

So who owned the old business on the premises?

Also this is something interesting and creepy as fuck.

Montgomery Blair Sibley, a former attorney for “D.C. madam” Deborah Jeane Palfrey, said Tuesday that one of his three ex-wives, two of his many ex-girlfriends and a close friend living abroad have CDs containing call records that could upend the presidential race.

If anything happens to him, he said, they would make sure the escort service records are widely distributed.

...

The eccentric litigator insists he did not lie to media outlets, including U.S. News, when he claimed the records were already online and that “there’s a link right now, that if you had, you would have access to the records.” Instead, he says, he told an imaginative half-truth.

“Everyone assumed I meant computer servers. I meant people who serve me,” he says.

[Project Willow]

I agree Luther. And every time I try to raise my hand to ask why it has such a furious following when cases that could be investigated are sitting in plain sight, I am ignored.

The moment a survivor or a parent comes forward with testimony, I will revise my statement and listen to their accounts. It's not going to happen, though, because I watched how this all unfolded, watched each of the first twenty or so pieces of fake evidence get dismantled. This isn't how investigations into real pedophile rings get started.

I am against pizzagate because it does irreversible damage to current and future (and frankly, historical) survivors of real organized abuse. "Oh, like that thing started on 4chan by those people with martyrdom complexes who took from real survivors?" I've even seen the comparison already made to that brief flash of news about the pedo ring recently uncovered.

The mechanism by which children are abducted through Comet Ping Pong has never explained to me, because it cannot be explained, because it has never happened. All that as happened here is setting research and activism and survivors' rights back.

[dada]

I have also seen people experience deep spiritual awakenings through organizing and service. These aren't slight superficial changes that can be simply washed away, and in turn makes them better for continued transformative social justice work.

However, I'm the one who is always expecting that a mass paradigm shift is right around the corner.

I wonder if a mass paradigm shift would look different than we've come to expect. Empowerment will mean fearlessness in the face of death. The consumer mind, the passive spectator, the 'poor little ego' will be laughed at, given a pat on the head and put to bed. People will stop escaping, within and without. People will stop reproducing authority constructs, within and without.

Spirituality isn't all peace and love. It's fire and lightning.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I agree Luther. And every time I try to raise my hand to ask why it has such a furious following when cases that could be investigated are sitting in plain sight, I am ignored.

What cases sitting in plain sight are you referencing? Most of those cases with which I am familiar are based purely on eyewitness testimony from individuals/survivors, which are very easy for the majority of people to dismiss no matter how true the claims likely are. I would venture to say that Pizzagate has blown up to such a furious following because a) it was developed out of the Wikileaks documents which were already in the eyeglass of the mainstream & b) it demonstrates a whole ton of smoke in terms of direct, demonstrable connections between child sex trafficking & high level political elite.

An analogy would be: Pizzagate is the forest where the many examples of RA survivors that have come before would be the trees. Easier to chop down a tree than burn an entire forest.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I agree Luther. And every time I try to raise my hand to ask why it has such a furious following when cases that could be investigated are sitting in plain sight, I am ignored.

What cases sitting in plain sight are you referencing? Most of those cases with which I am familiar are based purely on eyewitness testimony from individuals/survivors, which are very easy for the majority of people to dismiss no matter how true the claims likely are. I would venture to say that Pizzagate has blown up to such a furious following because a) it was developed out of the Wikileaks documents which were already in the eyeglass of the mainstream & b) it demonstrates a whole ton of smoke in terms of direct, demonstrable connections between child sex trafficking & high level political elite.

An analogy would be: Pizzagate is the forest where the many examples of RA survivors that have come before would be the trees. Easier to chop down a tree than burn an entire forest.

They are not "demonstrable connections between child sex trafficking and high level political elite" they may be associations.

If there are actual connections between child trafficking and high level political elites can you demonstrate these connections based on "pizzagate"?

[Project Willow]

What cases sitting in plain sight are you referencing? Most of those cases with which I am familiar are based purely on eyewitness testimony from individuals/survivors, which are very easy for the majority of people to dismiss no matter how true the claims likely are. I would venture to say that Pizzagate has blown up to such a furious following because a) it was developed out of the Wikileaks documents which were already in the eyeglass of the mainstream & b) it demonstrates a whole ton of smoke in terms of direct, demonstrable connections between child sex trafficking & high level political elite.

I am part of a large community of survivors. We have perpetrators, facilities and locations, and sometimes dates in common in our histories. An investigation would require multiple interviews, and forensics, often on site. If enough work was done, a clear picture of how many local rings are operating and how they are tied to national and elite rings, would begin to take shape. Unfortunately this work would require absolute professionalism, resources, stealth, and no small amount of risk taking. It is the opposite of dancing with internet chimeras as we see with pizzagate.

They are not "demonstrable connections between child sex trafficking and high level political elite" they may be associations.

Agreed. The way to get demonstrable connection is through victim testimony and other forms testable evidence.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I am part of a large community of survivors. We have perpetrators, facilities and locations, and sometimes dates in common in our histories. An investigation would require multiple interviews, and forensics, often on site. If enough work was done, a clear picture of how many local rings are operating and how they are tied to national and elite rings, would begin to take shape. Unfortunately this work would require absolute professionalism, resources, stealth, and no small amount of risk taking. It is the opposite of dancing with internet chimeras as we see with pizzagate.

The way to get demonstrable connection is through victim testimony and other forms testable evidence.

Well, I certainly agree with you there. I just don't see the two things as being mutually exclusive. From what I can tell, Pizzagate has resulted in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of more people who are 'woke' to the idea of ritual sexual abuse of children who previously were not. I don't see how that's a problem. I would say to wait and see where we are in six months to a year. If everyone has forgotten about it & Comet Ping Pong is exonerated, then I will eat my words, but this 'dancing with internet chimeras' in which so many are now engaged may simply be the corkscrew needed to open pandora's box. I don't think we should underestimate the power of 'meme magic' (a fantastical term for the effect & power of integrated consciousness engendered by the internet). I remain optimistic.

[dada]

I don't think we should underestimate the power of 'meme magic' (a fantastical term for the effect & power of integrated consciousness engendered by the internet).

This internet sounds like a cult. Or a corporate workshop.

[General Patton]

I don't think we should underestimate the power of 'meme magic' (a fantastical term for the effect & power of integrated consciousness engendered by the internet).

This internet sounds like a cult. Or a corporate workshop.

More the former than the latter

[tapitsbo]

I missed the part where the instagram stuff and all the other strangeness around Pizzagate got "dismantled". Nearly all of it still stands and there are still many questions to be answered.

Same goes for Epstein stuff (where the professionals dropped many of the interesting leads like hot potatoes)




PW your own material speaks of the danger to survivors when a conviction is imminent. Is this related to why we haven't seen professional investigations?

[SonicG]

I don't think we should underestimate the power of 'meme magic' (a fantastical term for the effect & power of integrated consciousness engendered by the internet).

This internet sounds like a cult. Or a corporate workshop.

More the former than the latter

Herr Leader captures the MFin zeitgeist ...

"We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet. We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/12/trump ... -internet/

[Project Willow]

PW your own material speaks of the danger to survivors when a conviction is imminent. Is this related to why we haven't seen professional investigations?

Absolutely, but if enough people really cared, that aspect of it could be successfully navigated, but I have no hope for it now. I've had people tell me outright during this election that they don't care that Hillary is attached to child trafficking, I mean, to my face and knowing what I've lived through. Everybody is in panic mode and making calculations to save their own damn skin. People are motivated even less to risk anything that doesn't involve them. All this internet concern over elite pedophilia is fake. It's just machinery.

It's so funny, you know how I survived the labs? I told myself that one day I'd be free and I'd tell people and they'd care and act just like they do with other injustices. LOL! In social terms, I am functionally dead. I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.

[Nordic]

Willow, has anyone ever approached you, or have you ever approached anyone about making a documentary about this?

Just curious.