What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[brekin]

The same dynamic happens here every time there's a subject for which the basic, fundamental thesis requires a leap of faith: not everyone is interested in taking that leap, and those that already have stepped off the edge of the rabbit hole begin their sanctimonious mewlings. Those sounds are always the same. "You've been brainwashed into disbelieving your own eyes." "Your attempts at analysis are deflections and distractions from my truth." "I'm being bullied for my intuitions." "Thank god there are a few sane individuals left here." "Why are you defending the oppressors/puppetmasters??"
And always, always...
"The persistence and tone of some of the posters here is troubling and suspicious."
Honestly.
Attempting to understand the deep state is not a religion or a suicide pact. Insistence upon owning the only truth is the give away that not only are the arguments weak, but so is the advocate of that argument.

This should be pressed into one of the 12 R.I. Golden Tablets.

guruilla, ditch your drug hangup and interview me.

I love this. But I have no idea what it means.

This thread is now 90-plus pages. No one is shutting down anyone's discussion, investigation, or whatever,-you-choose-to-call-this-amorphous-thing, and any assertion to the contrary is demonstrably false.
My impression of this thread and my limited participation in it is that any dissenting and/or critical assessment of pieces of the alleged puzzle are being labeled as either partisan bias or off point "diversion" because disproving A doesn't disprove B. This leads to an infinite recursive loop wherein the hypothesis can never be disproven, because it and its component parts are always changing. If the alleged codewords in the Podesta wikileaks emails aren't proof, then it's the art in this house, or the bands at the pizza joint, or his Tweets, or the Besta pizza logo, or whatever...Ad infinitum.
That's all well and good and par for the course in conspirotainment, but the insinuation of nefarious or ideological motives to anyone who presents a questioning attitude is misplaced and unproductive. No one can disprove "Pizzagate" because even the biggest proponents for the "truth" contained therein can't yet say what exactly it is.

Amen. P.G. is like a religion that its proponents haven't decided on what it is yet, just lack of zealousness and non-belief are suspect.

[tapitsbo]

No, there's a consensus that a certain body of publically available material IS Pizzagate.

It's what that material MEANS that is being discussed, not what it IS.

It's not "non-belief" that's suspect, it's the suspect tactics that have unsuccessfully been used in an attempt to "shut down" the overlapping Epstein and Pizzagate cases.

[barracuda]

It's what that material MEANS that is being discussed, not what it IS.

That's weird, because if I am not mistaken there's an eleven-page thread here called "What is Pizzagate?" with no definitive answer.

[tapitsbo]

Yet guru's options discuss alternative meanings for the same Pizzagate "data dump"

So in this case I am again right and you are again wrong, weird.

[barracuda]

Lol. Happy holidays, gramps.

[brekin]

No, there's a consensus that a certain body of publically available material IS Pizzagate.
It's what that material MEANS that is being discussed, not what it IS.
It's not "non-belief" that's suspect, it's the suspect tactics that have unsuccessfully been used in an attempt to "shut down" the overlapping Epstein and Pizzagate cases.

Who's shutting down anything? Disagreement only seems to make this thread grow.
Maybe you should post an actual thesis, instead of arguing about how arguments are argued.
Also, there's not a consensus on anything. Trust me, some people think this is all a hologram.
This thread is a headache.

[tapitsbo]

The Reddit admin with the cannibalism fetish posts shut down the central discussion on this topic, that's one person who shut something down.

Alefantis and Clinton personally asked that discussion be shut down.

Posters on this board have asked this discussion to be shut down and muddied it with obvious untruths and irrelevant noise.

[liminalOyster]

Alefantis and Clinton personally asked that discussion be shut down.

I don't understand how you can post a statement like this but also suggest people who need a little more heft to the "evidence" they are willing to accept are deflecting, derisive, muddying the water, etc.

IOW this, in it's current syntax without a subjective qualifier along the lines of "I can believe that" or "I wouldn't be surprised if" or "I have no evidence of this but am completely convinced that," this is a lie.

[tapitsbo]

I must not understand your syntax.

To repeat, Alefantis and Clinton personally asked the discussion to stop, during press conferences.

[liminalOyster]

"asked the discussion to stop" ≠ "asked that discussion be shut down"

[tapitsbo]

no, but they asked it to stop and they asked it to be shut down, this was the message of the "fake news" hysteria

and shut down it has been in most venues

[American Dream]

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/12/1 ... ger/214867

One Of The “Alt-Right” Men Who Brought You “Pizzagate” Is Now Attacking Vic Berger

Blog ››› December 19, 2016 5:38 PM EST ››› JARED HOLT



“Alt-right” social media personality Mike Cernovich used “pizzagate”-like tactics to attack video editor and satirist Vic Berger, who was subjected to online harassment and threats after he mocked Cernovich. In spite of his repeated harassment of other Twitter users, the social media network has taken no action against Cernovich, who became a verified user in August.

Cernovich operates the website Danger & Play, which publishes numerous articles, essays, and audio recordings that attack feminists and "SJWs" (social justice warriors) and dispute the validity of date rape claims. On his Twitter accounts, Cernovich has dismissed the possibility of date rape, writing, “The hotter the sex, the more closely it resembles rape” and “The only rape culture is Muslim rape culture” and asking, “Why should I care when women are raped?”

Cernovich was one of many “alt-right” figures who weaponized fake news articles to push “pizzagate,” a conspiracy theory that baselessly alleged Hillary Clinton’s inner circle was orchestrating a child sex-trafficking ring out of a Washington, D.C., pizzeria. Cernovich and his fellow “alt-right” figures’ promotion of the story on social media resulted in “abusive social media comments” for the named pizzeria owners and inspired a man to enter the business with a gun and fire shots while attempting to “self-investigate” the claims.

Retired general Michael Flynn, whom President-elect Donald Trump has selected as his national security adviser, has frequently interacted with Cernovich on Twitter and praised Cernovich’s “terrific book” Gorilla Mindset: How to Control Your Thoughts and Emotions, Improve Your Health and Fitness, Make More Money, and Live Life on Your Terms.

Cernovich used the same method of attack that made “pizzagate” dangerous for the Washington pizzeria owners to attack Berger, urging his followers to “monitor” Berger and his Twitter followers to “find out what is going on, who these people are, what their connections are” because “they might be harming children.” By spreading the false rumor that Berger and his Twitter followers may be involved in a child sex ring, Cernovich inspired his Twitter followers -- who have already been hearing for months that Democrats are pedophiles -- to lash out at Berger and several of his Twitter followers, including some who have never spoken to Berger but merely follow his Twitter account.

Berger starting satirizing Cernovich in November, mocking him with video supercuts, asking him to investigate a made-up conspiracy theory that Trump has rabies, and replying to Cernovich’s most disgusting tweets, which talked about “going to the gym” with “period juice all over you” and suggested that “date rape does not exist.” After Cernovich blocked Berger from following him, Berger asked his followers to write Cernovich and tell him to unblock him because “1st Amendment is very important,” apparently mocking Cernovich’s self-proclamation that he is a “free speech activist.”

Cernovich responded to Berger by alleging in an article on his site, Danger and Play, that one of Berger’s Twitter followers sent him a direct message that included a photo of a newborn baby and the word “cum” after Cernovich posted a photo of himself with his newborn daughter. Cernovich cited a screenshot that “has been deleted as it was sickening,” but is not included on any archived pages.

Cernovich’s “pizzagate” tactics have resulted in a flood of online harassment and death threats aimed at Berger from “alt-right” Twitter users. Berger tweeted on December 18 that he was abandoning his Twitter profile until the harassment “is settled” because he needed to “protect [his] family.” And that’s worrying because, as UW-Madison public affairs professor Don Moynihan pointed out, after “pizzagate” it is “reasonable to worry that lies will end in violence.” Journalist Dave Weigel also noted mockingly that this tactic of baselessly calling your opponent a pedophile and mobilizing people to take action “worked so well with Pizzagate.”

During “pizzagate,” Cernovich repeatedly pushed fake news validating the conspiracy, accused the mainstream media of “covering up” for alleged pedophiles, implied Vice President Joe Biden was a pedophile, and alleged that there was “zero evidence” connecting an armed man who entered the Washington, D.C, pizzeria to “pizzagate” in the incident’s immediate aftermath.

Cernovich activated a hotbed of Twitter users to threaten Berger using the same smear tactics the “alt-right” used to promote harassment over “pizzagate”: Publishing a smear in a news-style article format and distributing it to an eager fan base.

So you ENJOY being treated like a mindless buffoon by the likes of Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, the Red Ice Reich and all the rest? You know, an argument could be made that Pizzagate is actually COVERING UP real pedophilia - and I would hope that most of us know who the REAL pedophiles are in this world by now.

J.

^ thanks, more fantastic work done by RI's resident Pizzagate-keeper

[divideandconquer]

no, but they asked it to stop and they asked it to be shut down, this was the message of the "fake news" hysteria

and shut down it has been in most venues

There is no doubt that it's being shut down.

Driving home, last night, I was listening to NPR, and they mentioned algorithms to control "fake news" so I googled it when I got home.

Google Fixes Algorithm to Remove Holocaust-Denying Results and Other 'Non-Authoritative Information'

[FourthBase]

No, that's mis/dis-info. De Dionyso.

OK, I thought so. I met and had dinner with Arrington de Dionyso at a show when I was tagging along with my friend's band on tour, and he regularly plays shows with friends of mine in Portland. I dunno, he seems like just a guy. A little pretentious but hardly someone I would associate with this level of heinousness. Another friend of mine would qualify as an occultist, & his recent record functioned as an invocation of Pinhead (from Hellraiser). That doesn't mean he's secretly skinning people alive in his basement.

Not saying it's impossible, but I do think there should be a distinction drawn between 'artists' and the employment of those artists by those in charge of commissioning their work, ie, the owners of Comet Pizza. To say, as some seem to be, that Arrington is implicated in a pedo-cult because of a sketchy painting he drew, probably one of hundreds, smacks of witch-hunt logic. He is far from a millionaire, not a high-profile person at all.

EDIT: just saw guruilla said about as much, more eloquently. it pays to read!

Man, I missed so much of this (checks again) NINETY-TWO page thread. Sucks to go nuts. But hey, when you inhabit a world where supposedly paranoid people make endless excuses for why their acquaintances who are into really creepy art are surely harmless, it's bound to help drive you crazy.

The primary issue with Arrington de Dionyso is not any sinister occult side of his own, but the fact that Alefantis chose one of his occult decapitation murals to decorate a room where children would be playing ping pong. Same as the Djurdjevic principle: It's not the artist in question so much as it's the customer.

What about de Dionyso, though?

This analysis is new to this board, I think:

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@whitedee ... lain-sight

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@whitedee ... lain-sight

But so yeah, to me de Dionyso still smells like a fucking ghoul, too, sorry. Witch hunt logic? Yep. So be it. More like witch hunt INTUITION. There be witches. Bad ones, not just the good kind. And they're often not wealthy or powerful. They can look just like an edgelord hipster. Nice people, I'm sure, until they want to hurt you. So you all can err on the side of exculpating people from black magic accusations. But I'm going to do the opposite and assume the worst if given even a faint whiff of foul play. Somebody needs to be the red team here and argue against the consensus. I'm reviving this thread for the new year. I'm going to weed out the bullshit and see whatever's left. This time I will not lose my mind.

[coffin_dodger]

There be witches. Bad ones, not just the good kind. And they're often not wealthy or powerful.

Although, that which the bad ones invoke often leads to material, rather than ethereal, benefits. Many of them end up feeling very powerful, because that's what they sought in the first place.

The bad ones are rather shortsighted, as it happens.