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tapitsbo » 09 Nov 2016 21:03 wrote:What I'm noticing from this thread is that the tone of vicious, merciless hatred towards the "stupid majority" is suddenly absent in a few of you.
Of course this majority may be misguided. It's really striking how the tone has changed from the murderous hatred some of you used to espouse.
This change of tone is going to encourage the populations who have been targeted by the vicious scorn of vocal, powerful minorities and cliques to keep standing up for themselves, especially as they find the likes of Trump won't solve all their problems.
MacCruiskeen wrote:dada wrote:There's an authoritarian bent to liberalism, too. I find it gets in the way when I converse with them. Or maybe it's my anti-authoritarian bent that gets in the way.
Exactly. In other words, they don't like it when you get uppity. You are expected to know your place.dada wrote:It would be best if we could do it without it being snarky about it.
It would also be best if we could do it without being shy about it. Because liberals, being tendentially authoritarian, frequently interpret civility as weakness and respond with snark and condescension, or worse.
- I'm fading, and (for the record) feeling anything but jubilant. But also anything but submissive. Guardian columnists*, Daily Show smugsters and Dem Party operatives can all stick it where the sun don't shine. (Call me a Nasty Woman for that and I'll just get a Haitian sweatshop worker to make me the T-shirt, which I'll wear once and then give to my Filipino maid.)
Goodnight, all.
tapitsbo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:03 pm wrote:What I'm noticing from this thread is that the tone of vicious, merciless hatred towards the "stupid majority" is suddenly absent in a few of you.
Of course this majority may be misguided. It's really striking how the tone has changed from the murderous hatred some of you used to espouse.
This change of tone is going to encourage the populations who have been targeted by the vicious scorn of vocal, powerful minorities and cliques to keep standing up for themselves, especially as they find the likes of Trump won't solve all their problems.
stickdog99 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:14 pm wrote:I don't even know what the fuck the label "liberal" means anymore.
When I was born the label most commonly referred hawkish imperialists who felt that government needed to ameliorate the most blatantly racist and classist aspects of US capitalism to stave off "communist" critiques. I have no idea what the label "liberal" refers to today. Those who prefer their imperialist, globalist, oligarchic corpocracy to have undergone sensitivity training?
tapitsbo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:34 pm wrote:I don't have to be more specific because I'm not obligated to participate on your terms. I think you get the message and I note that you too have turned it down a notch since last night's result. Thank you.
stickdog99 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:14 pm wrote:I don't even know what the fuck the label "liberal" means anymore.
When I was born the label most commonly referred hawkish imperialists who felt that government needed to ameliorate the most blatantly racist and classist aspects of US capitalism to stave off "communist" critiques. I have no idea what the label "liberal" refers to today. Those who prefer their imperialist, globalist, oligarchic corpocracy to have undergone insensitivity training?
MacCruiskeen » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:51 pm wrote:In the 21st century, the greatest taboo topic is Money.
dada » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:04 pm wrote:MacCruiskeen » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:51 pm wrote:In the 21st century, the greatest taboo topic is Money.
It's the lifeblood of the consumer. Naturally a very emotional topic.
I notice that last night, posters were mixing in reports of the market dropping. I guess cnn or whatever was supplying the info, as an indicator of 'consumer confidence.'
The news shows use the numbers in a different way than Wall Street does. Down isn't necessarily a bad thing. Wall Street math is 'Down means buy, up means sell,' that's all.
tapitsbo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:34 pm wrote:I don't have to be more specific because I'm not obligated to participate on your terms. I think you get the message and I note that you too have turned it down a notch since last night's result. Thank you.
dada » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:24 pm wrote:tapitsbo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:03 pm wrote:What I'm noticing from this thread is that the tone of vicious, merciless hatred towards the "stupid majority" is suddenly absent in a few of you.
Of course this majority may be misguided. It's really striking how the tone has changed from the murderous hatred some of you used to espouse.
This change of tone is going to encourage the populations who have been targeted by the vicious scorn of vocal, powerful minorities and cliques to keep standing up for themselves, especially as they find the likes of Trump won't solve all their problems.
You'll have to be more specific, I'm not grasping the 'who said what' that you're addressing, or what you're getting at.
tapitsbo » Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:34 pm wrote:I don't have to be more specific because I'm not obligated to participate on your terms...
Mark Mason
3 hrs ·
Oh, I had an interesting conversation about the sad, unhappy gay people, women, and blacks and hispanics---- well, one component of the Trump victory was a great, big FUCK YOU to identity politics--- fuck you to your gay marriage license and abortion, and everything else associated with EDUCATED, LIBERAL IDENTITY POLITICS. you got your fucking marriage license and your glass ceiling was broken for women, while millions of working people were thrown out of their jobs and their homes by the Clintons and Obama Democrats--- The vote was a "Fuck You" to smug identity politics that has turned its back on the central problem of the entire planet ---- CORPORATE CAPITALISM, banks robbing the public while comfortable latte-sipping liberals whine about the Mexican border fence, and which bathroom transgender people should use.
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The message was loud and clear--- we don't give a fuck about your bathroom access if you don't give a fuck that we have been thrown out of our home. Wells Fargo Bank was openly robbing money from its own customers, and what did Clinton do? Nothing. Nada.
The 2016 election is a beautiful, beautiful REALITY CHECK for the liberal sycophants who kiss corporate banking ass, while whining about how Black Lives Matter has been beaten down by the police. --- You have no clue what is going on. "Something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?"
----- SOOOOO, our work now, is not to blame anyone, but to get our asses in gear to organize serious ANTI-CAPITALIST POLITICAL ATTACKS on the BANKs and MIC, not TRUMP. We need to kick some liberal ass out of the way to take on the banks and the military contractors and the entire festering, rotten money system flooding DC. We need to turn the attention away from the border fence and bathrooms, to CAPITALIST ECONOMIC PLUNDER of the working class. We're going to NEED EVERYONE --- gays, blacks, hispanics, women, Muslims and everyone else splintered off into their own narrow personal interests, to BUILD a MASS MOVEMENT unified around CLASS WAR.
2012 Countdown » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:11 pm wrote:I resemble that post...that was me and SLAD. Please give me/us credit in that we were not posting it because 'cnn or whatever' was supplying info. Its available on any finance board, 24/7 worldwide markets. Many retirements/pensions hang in the balance. It is newsworthy to some to whom it pertains.
The market seems to have stabilized, but come Feb., take your chances. Risk/reward. I see great risk ahead.
btw, Will the Trumpkin push for Soc Sec. to be privatized? Maybe. Anything goes apparently.
Morty » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:57 pm wrote:Mark Mason is a socialist/anarchist ecologist college lecturer. If your objective is to criticize liberals, Mark Mason is a handy guy to have around. From
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