The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:32 pm

The issue is not about arming the Ukraine, BS, but not a bad try to distract away from the criminal actions of our president.

If you believe this is a political charade, you're far more misguided than I've imagined.

Edited to add:

Here's how more than a few Republicans feel about Trump's corrupt administration:



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It seems Pence is headed for Impeachment, too.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:25 pm

The reason it was a cia guy is because trump was hiding shit on a SUPER CLASSIFIED SERVER

They were classifying shit that wasn’t supposed to be in order to hide it alll

and the idiots that helped him should lawyer up


Who had access to that server and what else is there?

What's in Trump's Super Classified Server and Why Is He Hiding Things There

Putting a politically-damaging phone call with Ukraine on the "codeword-classified" system is highly inappropriate and would give Trump "maximum control over who sees it." By Jason Koebler and Joseph Cox Sep 26 2019, 3:45pm

A detail in the whistleblower report released Thursday morning by the House Intelligence Committee suggests a White House coverup intended to hide details of Donald Trump's call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, in which Trump asked Zelensky to investigate Democratic presidential frontrunner Joe Biden.

The report notes that officials within the White House moved all official records of the call from a standard electronic document storage system to one intended to store only the most classified U.S. national security secrets.

"The transcript [of the call] was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature," the complaint notes.

Steven Aftergood, director of the Project Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists, told Motherboard that putting these records on this system "signifies an awareness in the White House that this was not a 'normal' conversation."

"What was the nature of that sensitivity? The clear implication is that the White House understood that the president's remarks could be legally and politically problematic," he said. "There was no other classified 'factual' material in the transcript that would justify a move to a more secure server."

Specifically, the transcript was placed into a computer system managed directly by the National Security Council (NSC) Directorate for Intelligence Programs, which is reserved for so-called "codeword-level" intelligence. Motherboard spoke to four former members of the NSC for previous presidential administrations to learn more about what the system is, what it's used for, and who can access it. Each of them was shocked that the Trump administration used the codeword system for a presidential phone call.

This system is used for the highest-level of classified intelligence, a level beyond "top secret" that is accessible only on a need-to-know basis to specific members of the NSC and intelligence community. And that fact has raised questions as to why the Trump administration would use such a highly-secure, secretive server to store what Trump has called an entirely appropriate conversation.

To be clear, the existence of this sensitive server in and of itself is not unusual. The sensitive server is typically used to store details on covert action and other highly sensitive information with a high degree of access limitation. But multiple experts who have used the system in previous presidential administrations said that it's troubling for the administration to use a highly-classified server to store embarrassing information.

"You don't have hundreds of people getting access to presidential calls. They're tightly controlled, so, it's not as if this would have been floating around with lots of people getting access to the first place. To take the added step of telling the White House lawyers to put this on that system is beyond bizarre to me," Kelly Magsamen, vice president of national security and international policy at thinktank Center for American Progress, and who served in the NSC for two presidents, told Motherboard. "It suggests they know it was extremely damaging."

Motherboard spoke to four former members of the NSC who had direct knowledge of the system in question under previous presidential administrations. Three of them—two of whom were granted anonymity to discuss the specifics of highly sensitive and potentially classified filing systems—said that they are unaware of even a single instance in which details of a presidential call with a foreign head of state was stored in the codeword-level system.

When the president makes a phone call to a foreign leader, one or more White House officials listen and transcribe the contents of the call.

"Basically the situation room would route the call from wherever, like the outgoing number to let's say the country is Ukraine, through the Sit Room, up to the Oval or wherever the president was to take it," Tommy Vietor, who worked on the NSC under President Obama, explained on the podcast Pod Save the World. "So the Sit Room could listen to the call or type out a transcript."

From there, the director who handles the transcript and other notes creates a "packet number" that can be used to track it in the future (notes are required to be saved as part of the Presidential Records Act). The director who prepares the packet decides what parts of it should be classified, according to two former NSC members. There are four general systems where it can go, they said. Each of these must be accessed using a different computer:

A privileged, unclassified system accessible to many White House employees (this is used for general email, etc.).
A "Secret" classified system that is connected to a global network and is accessible by people with the correct security clearance in, for example, the military or State Department.
A "Top Secret" classified system accessible to people with that security clearance (more often limited to people in the NSA, CIA, and other intelligence agencies, as well as White House employees with the correct clearance).
The codeword-classified system that is not connected to the internet.
"Basically, unless the conversation is about codeword-level stuff, it wouldn't be generated and transmitted on that system," Nate Jones, the founder of Culper Partners and the former director of counterterrorism at the NSC told Motherboard. "It's cumbersome not just to get things on there, but nobody can look at it and access it without going through a very involved process. You are effectively limiting people's ability to disseminate that information."

Jones said it is impossible to access the codeword-level system outside of the White House, and that any "president wouldn't have the first idea of how to get into it."

"He has the right to manage people to do things with it within reason, but he wouldn't on his own accord have the ability to even get into the room it's located on his own. He'd need help," he said. "The same is true of the National Security Advisor and people like that, but they could direct people who have access to it to provide them information. Once it's in the system, they have maximum control over who sees it."

Jones added that because of the compartmentalization, it could be classified in such a way so that essentially no one had access to it.

There are very few computers that are capable of even accessing the codeword-classified system. The NSC officials Motherboard spoke to were unsure, for example, what network it's on and who outside of the NSC and the highest levels of the White House could even access it. Some speculated that high-level NSA officials, for example, might be able to access it on a need-to-know basis. One of the former NSC officials described using the system as a cumbersome process—this person was only able to access it on a computer in a single room, and they were unable to bring any other documents with them when they accessed it.

All four NSC officials made clear that putting anything into this system would severely limit who was able to access it. Almost everyone who uses the codeword-classified system (save for, say, the president) is only given access to specific projects on the system; there isn't blanket access to everything classified in this way.

"No, they do not have access to everything," Magsamen said.

"It's the highest classification we have, and it's stored on a separate system that very few people have access to and is highly controlled within the NSC staff," Magsamen added. "We're talking maybe a handful of people. The effort to over-classify this and move it from a system with controlled access to code-word is very troubling to me."

Chris Lu, who managed President Obama's first cabinet, told Motherboard that the "potential White House coverup" is "already the biggest scandal of the Trump administration, and that's saying a lot."

And this allegedly wasn't an isolated incident, according to the whistleblower.

"According to White House officials I spoke with, this was 'not the first time' under this Administration that a Presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive—rather than national security sensitive—information," the whistleblower complaint adds.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:29 pm

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Iamwhomiam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:32 pm wrote:The issue is not about arming the Ukraine, BS, but not a bad try to distract away from the criminal actions of our president.

If you believe this is a political charade, you're far more misguided than I've imagined.



Oh, it's a charade alright.

"the criminal actions of our President" is synonymous with 'the actions of a President'.

Criminal actions are part of being President of the U.S. .. or is that not clear to you yet?

Both parties are complicit in crimes against humanity. Continue with your bottom-feeder vapid assessments, however.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:31 pm

We are not bottom feeders......bless you heart

Having fun?

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Trump Ponders Violent Retribution as the White House Projects Impeachment Calm
The president’s mood has swung between hope for a resolution and desire for vengeance. A senior aide, however, says there won’t even be a “war room” at the White House for now.
Asawin Suebsaeng
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Sam Stein
Politics Editor
Updated 09.26.19 9:29PM ET / Published 09.26.19 8:00PM ET

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As President Donald Trump wrapped up his swing through New York City on Thursday, he stopped by the luxury restaurant Cipriani to deliver remarks at a high-roller breakfast fundraiser.

Fresh off meetings at the United Nations, the president clearly couldn’t take his mind off a certain anonymous whistleblower whose recently declassified complaint has threatened to blow up his administration. According to an attendee at the breakfast, Trump brandished a printed copy of the memo of his now-infamous Ukraine phone call, flaunting it as he blasted Democratic lawmakers for being mean to him. After waving the document around and receiving cheers from the gathering of Republican donors and supporters, the president boasted about how much money—$13 million in 24 hours—he had raised for his reelection effort, the attendee noted.


It was yet another illustration of how Trump’s big week in New York has been overshadowed and bedeviled by revelations that he and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani had urged Ukrainian officials to investigate the son of Joe Biden, the former vice president who remains likely to be Trump’s 2020 election opponent.

Over the past few days, the president has helped raise millions for the 2020 fight and has been lavished with praise by world leaders. And yet he’s remained, through it all, obsessed over the scandal unfolding back in Washington, D.C., as Democratic members of Congress inched closer to impeachment proceedings. According to three people with knowledge of the situation, Trump has compulsively monitored TV and cable-news coverage of the Ukraine-related scandal and has repeatedly asked those around him about the whistleblower and rumors that the complainant is hostile to or biased against him.

Through it all, the president’s demeanor and approach to the rapidly unfolding scandal has vacillated between spoiling for a fight and hoping for a détente. Often, it depended on who he was talking to or what setting he found himself in. According to those in attendance at his Thursday breakfast fundraiser, the president was upbeat and fired up, telling donors that he and his political team were ready to punch back hard. In private, however, there was genuine consternation regarding how a brutal impeachment process would affect his legacy and his White House, with much of his staff sharing those same anxieties. Those close to Trump say the president never expected House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to back any major impeachment moves—at least not until this week.

Although one senior White House aide said the mood there “is fine,” others said Trump has taken the past week personally, as if Democrats and what his allies call the “deep state” had just crashed his party.


On Tuesday, the president took to Twitter to accuse liberals of deliberately ruining and degrading his “important day” at the UN. And according to a Los Angeles Times report, Trump also used his time at a private event for U.S. officials at the Intercontinental Hotel in New York on Thursday morning to rage about the whistleblower and whoever supplied that individual with information.

“I want to know who’s the person—who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” Trump said. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason—we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

It is unclear what punishments the president has envisioned and the White House did not provide clarification on it when asked. Hours before Trump spoke, the whistleblower complaint detailing allegations that the president pressured the Ukrainian government to interfere in the 2020 election and that White House officials attempted to cover up records of that call had been made public. And shortly thereafter, Joseph Maguire, Trump's acting director of national intelligence, began his congressional testimony, during which he affirmed the complaint as credible.

Already roiled by the publication of a call memorandum the day before detailing the pressure he had placed on the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden, Trump now watched as Maguire fended off accusations that the White House had illegally tried to withhold records of that call and the complaint as well.


And yet, despite having compared the whistleblower and his or her sources to spies who had committed treason, when Trump returned to the White House on Thursday, the senior White House official said, he told his lieutenants that there was no current need to start a “war room” or any special initiative to combat impeachment fever.

A report that Trump was bringing back his former 2016 campaign manager Corey Lewandowski to spearhead such an effort, the official said, was an attempt at “self-aggrandizement” by those officials on the outside. And the White House, indeed, subsequently denied the reports. In the president’s inner circle, some continued to believe that the rush to embrace impeachment by Democratic leadership amounted to a politically tinged bluff.

“This is all theater,” Jay Sekulow, one of Trump’s lawyers who worked with Giuliani to defend the president during the Mueller probe, told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “Nancy Pelosi didn’t announce anything that hasn’t been going on already,” he added, referring to how House Democrats had weeks ago declared they were launching proceedings simply to decide if they should impeach Trump.

While the White House was attempting to project an all-is-calm demeanor, outside groups were preparing for war. According to a senior Republican National Committee official, the RNC’s in house research team has begun putting together materials to counter-attack House Democrats and a “war room” of its own to deal with Trump impeachment.


As Trumpworld’s strategy for how to handle growing impeachment woes comes together, the president and his staff will have to adjust to a reality in which even less progress is made on his agenda than was before.

Earlier in the week, a senior administration official bemoaned how much of a gigantic pain impeachment proceedings would be for the White House staff to manage. The official said that is, in part, because being impeached would inevitably devastate Trump’s focus, mood, actions, and agenda for the remainder of his first term. And White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham has said that “House Democrats have destroyed any chances of legislative progress for the people of this country by continuing to focus” on impeachment.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:49 pm

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TIME magazine. Are you trying to further underscore my point? Enjoy your intake.






The two most prominent US newsweeklies, Time and Newsweek, kept close ties with the CIA. “Agency files contain written agreements with former foreign correspondents and stringers for both the weekly newsmagazines,” according to Carl Bernstein. “Allen Dulles often interceded with his good friend, the late Henry Luce, founder of Time and Life magazines, who readily allowed certain members of his staff to work for the Agency and agreed to provide jobs and credentials for other CIA operatives who lacked journalistic experience.” Bernstein, “The CIA and the Media.”


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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:59 pm

Belligerent Savant » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:29 pm wrote:.
Iamwhomiam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:32 pm wrote:The issue is not about arming the Ukraine, BS, but not a bad try to distract away from the criminal actions of our president.

If you believe this is a political charade, you're far more misguided than I've imagined.



Oh, it's a charade alright.

"the criminal actions of our President" is synonymous with 'the actions of a President'.

Criminal actions are part of being President of the U.S. .. or is that not clear to you yet?

Both parties are complicit in crimes against humanity. Continue with your bottom-feeder vapid assessments, however.


Switching the goalposts, eh? Sometimes you can be such a jackass, BS. You know full well that the criminal actions of the president I was referring to are of a different sort of crime. Don't try to make me out to be the fool. I don't mind you being a staunch right-winger, but don't play such a game with us; we're all well aware of the destructive force this high office holds.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby RocketMan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:28 am

Krystal Ball is a breath of fresh air, I still can't believe she has a megaphone over at THE HELL of all places...



Well, we are now officially on Day 2 of the impeachment inquiry and it is going just as well as you would expect for a process led by the bumbling Democratic establishment and hyped by the media. This already has all the hallmarks of the overpromise, underdeliver strategy that worked out so well with the Mueller report, except this time, Democrats also get to defend the righteous principle that Hunter Biden is worth $50k a month purely based on his knowledge of the Ukrainian oil and gas industry.


:D :D :D

It's bad. Don't get me wrong. But honestly, it's also sort of incoherent, confused and indirect in the classically Trumpian style. Is this really the clearly impeachment-worthy act that we want to hang our hat on? Remember the standard that Democrats as a party already set. Bush literally lied us into a war where thousands of our men and women and thousands of innocent Iraqis were killed. His administration committed acts of torture under our name, but Bush's administration was never even fully investigated for these acts, let alone impeached. Is this call with Ukraine really worse than that?


Meanwhile, just as I feared, Pelosi has decided to focus exclusively on the Ukraine incident as the center of the impeachment inquiry. This is a disastrous strategic blunder. In fact, it's hard to imagine weaker ground for Democrats to try to stand on. They have decided to rest their entire case on the proposition that Trump's corruption is impeachable, but Biden's is completely fine, noble even. It looks hypocritical because it is.


Ukrainian energy company Burisma paid Hunter Biden $50,000 per month to sit on its board, supposedly to improve its governance. Hunter Biden isn't an expert in governance, isn't a transparency expert, has no expertise in energy or the Ukraine. The largest independent energy company in the world is, of course, Exxon mobile. On their board, they have corporate legends like Ursula Burns, former CEO and Chairman of Xerox, and Ken Fraser, current CEO and Chairman of Merck. Know how much each of these three were paid monthly for their board service to Exxon, including cash and stock? Less than $30,000 per month.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby RocketMan » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:13 am

Wow, I didn't know Yale had professors like this \<]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -centrists

Impeachment isn’t the answer to America’s political crisis

For liberal and conservative centrists, inured to taking turns in power for decades, Trump’s rise in the Republican party and his success in beating Hillary Clinton within the appalling rules of the American game was the real affront. Blindsided by their ejection by an incoherent nonentity and sexual predator, this coalition of long-governing elites, from liberal technocrats to “never-Trump” conservatives, has declared war on the president, embracing any bad pretext or good reason to call for his early ouster.

There are certainly many reasons to wish Trump out of office. He is incompetent and inflammatory, and his policies are racist and anti-poor. But behind the stance of permanent alarm and outrage adopted by the political establishment is a strong sense that what really irks them is that US democracy, such as it is, has toppled them from power. And after pining for so long for Robert Mueller’s investigation to be their redemption, they have now pinned their hopes on a “memcon ex machina”.


For all their appeals to enduring moral values, whether US exceptionalism or legal principle, the centrists are deploying a transparent strategy to return to power. Trump’s shambolic presidency somehow seems less unsavoury than the fact that neither of these sides are able to admit how massively his election signified the failure of their policies, from endless war to economic inequality.


The Ukraine affair shows that the biggest risk to the American people is that centrists link impeachment to a reinstatement of one set of failed prescriptions, while the right repulses the attempt to oust the president and rules under equally dead-end policies. And it shows that progressives must link opposition to Trump to a broader strategy to bring the country a convincing new politics of their own.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Harvey » Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:45 am

Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:29 am wrote:.
Iamwhomiam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:32 pm wrote:The issue is not about arming the Ukraine, BS, but not a bad try to distract away from the criminal actions of our president.

If you believe this is a political charade, you're far more misguided than I've imagined.



Oh, it's a charade alright.

"the criminal actions of our President" is synonymous with 'the actions of a President'.

Criminal actions are part of being President of the U.S. .. or is that not clear to you yet?

Both parties are complicit in crimes against humanity. Continue with your bottom-feeder vapid assessments, however.



Biden's role in 'Russiagate' appears not insignificant to this story and appears to be the basis of 'Ukrainegate' which appears to be the next chapter of Russiagate. Frankly amazed anyone can run this scam twice, back to back, and it works again.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:32 am

So what do you believe Biden’s role is


Hint he has nothing to do with this except in trump’s mind and Goolinani’s ass.......trying to enlist a foreign government to interfere in U.S. elections


Rudy Giuliani, the U.S. President’s “informal” Cybersecurity Advisor, was negotiating clandestine foreign policy deals in Ukraine for the obvious benefit of Donald Trump.


Btw kinda illegal

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ROGUE AGENT: How Rudy Giuliani got paid by the Government of Ukraine to influence U.S. foreign policy
Giuliani represents himself abroad as “Advisor” to the U.S. President, negotiating quid-pro-quo deals with foreign governments while earning at least $14 million in “consulting” fees since 2017. Why isn’t he registered as a foreign agent?


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In May 2018, I began alerting reporters to an issue I found to be of urgent national security concern — Rudy Giuliani, the U.S. President’s “informal” Cybersecurity Advisor, was negotiating clandestine foreign policy deals in Ukraine for the obvious benefit of Donald Trump.
Open source research had revealed unequivocally that beginning in early 2017, Giuliani began receiving payments from the Ukrainian Government under cover of “security consulting” contracts with two cities. First, Kharkiv — a Party of Regions stronghold in the country’s east headed by Mayor Gennadiy Kernes. The other, Kiev — Ukraine’s capital city headed by Mayor Viktor Klitschko. Simultaneously, Giuliani was “advising” or otherwise engaging with officials at the highest levels of the U.S. government to influence U.S. policy and create favorable outcomes for his Ukrainian clients.
These quid-pro-quo deals in Ukraine were lucrative for Giuliani. In divorce court proceedings last year, it was revealed that Trump’s advisor had earned at least $14 million from foreign governments, oligarchs, and unknown others. Since Trump was elected, foreign officials have cared little whether Giuliani is “formally” in his role — they care about access and the ability to influence the U.S. President’s policy decisions. Since January 2017, Giuliani has delivered in spades.
When Department of Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert announced the administration’s first Executive Order on cybersecurity in May 2017, it was Giuliani who he thanked for its development.
When then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson announced he was shuttering the Office of Cyber Issues in July 2017, it was Giuliani whose team was on the ground in Kharkiv discussing U.S.-Ukraine “security cooperation”.
When Trump green lit the Pentagon’s Javelin missile proposal in November 2017 — after months of “stalling” — it was Giuliani who arrived in Ukraine on the private jet of Ukrainian-American oligarch Alexander Rovt.
It was Giuliani who promised Mayor Kernes a special “support office” for Kharkiv in the U.S.
It was Giuliani who met with then-Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to discuss “Russian aggression” and corruption reform.
And once the administration approved the shipment of Javelin missiles to Ukraine in March 2018 — it was Giuliani who hosted a delegation from Kharkiv to “study” the New York and New Jersey Departments of Emergency Management and discuss “software issues” related to the U.S. Center for Emergency Response.

From Left to Right: (?), Ukranian President Petro Poroshenko, (?), CEO of Giuliani Safety and Security John Huvane, Rudy Giuliani, and Denis Berman (father of TriGlobal Stategic Ventures Partner Josh Berman)
Over the past eighteen months, I have written five articles and posted countless research threads documenting Giuliani’s foreign travels and illegal activities in Ukraine. At various points, I’ve made an effort to organize and compile what has become an overwhelming volume of research into one comprehensive reference. My goal in publishing this new “full” timeline is to create a living public document that will serve this function more broadly, and can be added to over time.


For reference, my previous reports regarding Giuliani’s illegal activities in Ukraine and elsewhere around the globe can be read here


Rudy Giuliani met with Ukrainian President Poroshenko twice last year amid U.S.-Ukraine arms deal negotiations — July 26, 2018
L’Affaire Hampshire: Did Rudy Giuliani use a cheating scandal as cover for an illicit medical data operation? — September 4, 2018
This is why Rudy Giuliani is in Armenia right now. — October 24, 2018
DIRTY LAUNDRY: Giuliani’s finances while serving as Trump’s Cybersecurity Advisor are hung out to dry in divorce proceedings — November 15, 2018
Rudy, Ukraine, and the plot to fire Comey — January 14, 2019
What follows is the “Giuiani-Ukraine Back-channel” covering the time frame from January 2017 to June 2018, detailed with links to references as appropriate. As I continue collating this research through present day (September 2019), I will re-publish this post with updates.

JANUARY 2017 — MAY 2017


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Early January: Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko hires U.S. lobbying firm BGR Group in an effort to gain access to newly-elected U.S. President Trump

January 12: After withdrawing himself from Secretary of State consideration, President-elect Trump names Rudy Giuliani his “informal” Cybersecurity Advisor

January 20: President Trump is inaugurated in Washington D.C.

Late January: Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs and officials attend inaugural events in D.C., meeting with dozens of GOP officials and lobbyists

Late January: Ukrainian Member of Parliament Andrei Artemenko meets with Felix Sater and Michael Cohen in New York City

Late January: MP Artemenko hands off Peace Plan documents to Sater and Cohen

January/February: Paul Manafort meets with Konstantin Kilimnik in Madrid

~February 6: Sater and Cohen deliver Peace Plan to National Security Advisor Michael Flynn

February 8: Yuri Vanetik and Manafort meet in NYC

February13: Flynn is fired for lying about his phone call with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak

February 19: New York Times breaks “scoop” revealing the Peace Plan back-channel with Artemenko --> Sater/Cohen --> Flynn

February 20: Russia’s Ambassador to United Nations Vitaly Churkin becomes ill in New York City and dies

February: TriGlobal Strategic Ventures (TGSV) begins negotiating Giuliani Safety and Security LLC (GSS) contract with City of Kharkiv Mayor Gennadiy Kernes — funded by Ukrainian oligarch Pavel Fuks

May 1: GSS team travels to Kharkiv for kick-off of their “security consulting” contract with Mayor Kernes

May 3: FBI Director James Comey testifies before congress, revealing FBI probe into Trump Campaign and Giuliani’s N.Y. FBI leaks

May 9: Trump fires Comey

May 9: GSS announces the Kharkiv contract and its kick-off on GSS website

May 9: Giuliani, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Ambassador Kislyak, and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin arrive in D.C.

May 10: Giuliani visits White House and meets with Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert about cybersecurity

May 10: Trump meets with Lavrov and Kislyak, offering them classified intelligence

May 10: Vice President Mike Pence meets seperately with Klimkin and grants a photo op with Trump

May 11: Bossert announces admin’s first Executive Order on cybersecurity

May 11: Trump tweets “Let’s Make Peace!”

May 12: Artemenko alleges $400K bribe for access to Trump

May: FBI opens counter-intel and Special Counsel appointed


JUNE 2017 — AUGUST 2017


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Early June: Giuliani travels to Kiev


Early June: Giuliani gives talk with Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Pinchuk

Early June: Giuliani meets with President Poroshenko, Prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko, Prime Minister Vladimir Groisman, and Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin

Early June: Giuliani lands “consulting contract” with Kiev Mayor Victor Klitschko

June 20: Poroshenko meets with Trump in D.C., allegedly offering U.S. firms 90% of Donbas reconstruction projects

Late June: Poroshenko moves Manafort investigations from the Anti-Corruption Prosecutor to Prosecutor General Lutsenko ‘ to “languish”

July 7: Trump meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin for the first time at the G20 summit in Hamburg

July 9: Trump announces on Twitter that he and Vladimir Putin discussed a plan to form a “Joint Cybersecurity Unit”

July 10: The American public pans Trump’s partnership with Russia and the idea is reportedly “shelved”

July 18: Guliani’s GSS team travels back to Kharkiv for second meeting

July 19: U.S. State Deparment Secretary Rex Tillerson shutters the Office of Cyber Issues

July 20: Russia’s cyber envoy Andrey Krutskikh tells press that the “bilateral working group” is still underway

July 31: Poroshenko agrees to an energy deal with U.S. Secretary of Energy Rick Perry to buy U.S. coal at a marked-up/inflated price

August 4: Pentagon asks White House to approve lethal weapons to Ukraine, proposing a $50 million Javelin missile package

August 14: Mainstream media outlets push a disinformation campaign using a flawed think tank study — the findings allege Ukraine had sold missiles to North Korea on black market

August: Trump “stalls” approval of Pentagon’s proposed lethal arms package for Ukraine

OCTOBER 2017 — DECEMBER 2017

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October 27: Paul Manafort and Rick Gates indicted for financial crimes relating to their work in Ukraine, including conspiracy against U.S.

October 27: George Papadopolous plea agreement released by Special Counsel

November 11: Trump and Putin meet three times on sidelines of Asia-Pacific Summit in Vietnam

November 14: Trump tells press he believes Putin did not intefere in election


November 17: Trump green lights presentation of $47M lethal arms package to Ukraine

November 20: Giuliani travels to Kharkiv on private jet of Ukrainian oligarch Alexander Rovt

November 21:: Giuliani promises Kharkiv Mayor Kernes a special “support office” in U.S.

November 22: Giuliani travels to Kiev, meets with Mayor Klitscheko

November 22: Giuliani meets with Poroshenko to discuss Russian aggression, corruption reform, and US-Ukraine cooperation on cybersecurity

November: Poroshenko allegedly gives order to stop cooperation with U.S. investigators

December: Ukrainian officials allegedly cancel trips to meet with CIA Director Mike Pompeo and Special Counsel Mueller

December 15: Trump calls Putin to say “thank you” for comments Putin made regarding the U.S. economy

December 17: Putin calls Trump to say “thank you” for an intelligence tip regarding a St. Petersburg terrorist plot

December 20: Trump approves grant package of $41 million in sniper equipment, but does not move on Javelins

MARCH 2018 — JUNE 2018

March: After a two month delay, Pentagon signs off on shipment of Javelin missiles to Ukraine

March: Cambridge Analytica whistle blower Christopher Wylie comes forward

Late March: Kharkiv delegation headed by Deputy Mayor Igor Terehov travels to New York City

Late March: Giuliani lands Kharkiv delegation special access to “study” New York and New Jersey Department of Emergency Management

March 28: Giuliani travels to Cottage Hospital in rural New Hampshire

March 28: Giuliani helps Dr. Maria Ryan transfer 20 million medical records to AthenaHealth Cloud

Early April: Poroshenko officially “halts” Manafort investigation, blocking further subpoenas or witness interviews

Early April: Poroshenko confirms receipt of Javelin missiles

April 9: Michael Cohen raided by FBI

April 20: Giuliani is re-introduced to the public as Trump’s “lawyer”

Late April: Giuliani’s gas-lighting of America begins as he defends the president on air about hush money payments

April: Judith Giuliani files for divorce, alleging an affair with Dr. Ryan

Early June: Giuliani and Ryan travel to Israel

June 7: Giuliani and Ryan tour Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem

Mid June: Giuliani and Ryan travel to Scotland to golf at Trump International Links

Late June: Giuliani and Ryan travel to Paris for MEK conference

Late June: Giuliani and Ryan travel to Normandy

June 27: Supreme Court Justice Kennedy announces retirement
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:20 am

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trump is threatening a witness just like the mobster he is



Shows over

Jeff Flake says 'at least 35' Republican senators would privately vote to impeach Trump



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If the whistleblower's understanding is correct and there's a classified server full of incriminating conversations between Trump and world leaders, then not exposing the truth keeps the president in hoc to those leaders for as long as he's president.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:40 am

Harvey » Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:45 am wrote:
Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:29 am wrote:.
Iamwhomiam » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:32 pm wrote:The issue is not about arming the Ukraine, BS, but not a bad try to distract away from the criminal actions of our president.

If you believe this is a political charade, you're far more misguided than I've imagined.



Oh, it's a charade alright.

"the criminal actions of our President" is synonymous with 'the actions of a President'.

Criminal actions are part of being President of the U.S. .. or is that not clear to you yet?

Both parties are complicit in crimes against humanity. Continue with your bottom-feeder vapid assessments, however.



Biden's role in 'Russiagate' appears not insignificant to this story and appears to be the basis of 'Ukrainegate' which appears to be the next chapter of Russiagate. Frankly amazed anyone can run this scam twice, back to back, and it works again.


Precisely.

+ 1 to Rocketman's additions above, as well -- this is yet another misdirection ploy. There ARE likely impeachable offenses committed by Trump, but they will never be called out by the so-called Dems because they are all just as complicit in committing such acts, as are 'their' representative Democrats in office.

In place of objective analysis, we endure the vanilla mainstream DU-esque talking points being raised by SLAD and Iam on RI rather than observing what's going on behind the headlines.
(See: Rocketman JR, Harvey, and numerous others for clear-eyed reads of the political theatrics)

Iam: you are exposing your clear bias/ignorance if you interpret my contributions here as 'staunch rightwing'.
Laughable, yet wholly expected.
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:42 am

You are hysterical this morning.....
So amusing thanks for the laugh


Numerous others :P

Your hype is so typical

Can’t go with facts so you make shit up just like trump and Goolinani




More than 300 former officials call Trump’s actions concerning Ukraine ‘profound national security concern’


President Trump arrives at Joint Base Andrews on Sept. 26. (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
By Karen DeYoung
September 27, 2019 at 7:29 AM EDT
More than 300 former U.S. national security and foreign policy officials have signed a statement warning that President Trump’s actions regarding Ukraine are a “profound national security concern” and supporting an impeachment inquiry by Congress to determine “the facts.”
“To be clear, we do not wish to prejudge the totality of the facts or Congress’ deliberative process,” said the statement, released Friday. “At the same time, there is no escaping that what we already know is serious enough to merit impeachment proceedings.”
Read the full statement from former officials

The collection of signatures was set in motion by National Security Action, an organization founded and largely populated by officials from the Obama administration to call attention to Trump’s “reckless leadership.”

Many of the signers are former Obama officials. But the list includes others who served as career officials in both Democratic and Republican administrations, including Matthew Olsen, head of the Justice Department’s national security division under President George W. Bush and director of the National Counterterrorism Center under President Barack Obama.
Career diplomats also include William Burns, former assistant secretary of state for Near East affairs, undersecretary for policy and ambassador to Russia under Bush, and deputy secretary under Obama; Nancy McEldowney, former Bush ambassador to Bulgaria and deputy chief of mission to Turkey; and Jeffrey Feltman, who served in senior State Department positions beginning in the George H.W. Bush administration and for nearly six years as undersecretary general at the United Nations until his 2018 retirement.

The Washington Post’s Devlin Barrett reports on the key takeaways from the declassified whistleblower complaint against President Trump alleging he tried to solicit foreign election interference. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)
Former officials from the intelligence community, the Defense Department, the National Security Council and the Department of Homeland Security also signed the statement.

“As national security professionals, many of us have long been concerned with President Trump’s actions and their implications for our safety and security,” the statement said. “Some of us have spoken out, but many of us have eschewed politics throughout our careers and, as a result, have not weighed in publicly.
“The revelations of recent days, however, demand a response,” it said. “. . . President Trump appears to have leveraged the authority and resources of the highest office in the land to invite additional foreign interference into our democratic processes.”
The statement continued: “If we fail to speak up — and act — now our foreign policy and national security will officially be on offer to those who can most effectively fulfill the President’s personal prerogatives.”
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:49 am

This is the Kremlin's cute way of reminding trump who owns whom



Russia has voiced hope that the U.S. administration wouldn't publish private conversations between the two nations' presidents, like it did with Ukraine.

https://nbcnews.to/2mjuVwv



We need to know why Trump’s campaign manager was strategizing the 2020 campaign in...Romania
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Re: The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:50 am

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seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 27, 2019 7:42 am wrote:
Can’t go with facts so you make shit up just like trump and Goolinani



Sorry, not "making shit up". But type whatever you prefer to help ease your mind.

To the contrary, the overwhelming majority of the mainstream pap you share here is, indeed, largely made up of half-truth, lies, misdirections, mis/disinfo.

And it's lapped up, yet again, by those that continue to fall for it. And they'll be disappointed. Again. Because the 'dems' aren't interested in justice here. Neither party is.
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