Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

[coffin_dodger]

Yeah - all of what you said makes sense, Search. I was dreaming again.

Trump is in Putin's pocket
Putin hacked the DNC and Podesta and hates America
and what's important is to support the people who say this
Trump is Hitler
Trump stole the election
Anything to stop Trump is permissible
Anything showing another point of view is hate speech from a Nazi.
Anything questioning Clinton or Podesta is hate speech

PS You missed 'you're a stupid stupid-head, ignorant and unintelligent if you think anything different'

[Searcher08]

Yeah - all of what you said makes sense, Search. I was dreaming again.

Trump is in Putin's pocket
Putin hacked the DNC and Podesta and hates America
and what's important is to support the people who say this
Trump is Hitler
Trump stole the election
Anything to stop Trump is permissible
Anything showing another point of view is hate speech from a Nazi.
Anything questioning Clinton or Podesta is hate speech

PS You missed 'you're a stupid stupid-head, ignorant and unintelligent if you think anything different'

I think that people like Brock are like Mandleson on crack.
Tenacious mendacity, doubling down, and disagreement as hate speech are the name of the game.

[Spiro C. Thiery]

Crossposted for relevance from here: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 95#p623195

I believe analysing this segment based solely upon one's view of #Pizzagate is particularly wrongheaded here at RI. It's quite troubling, actually.

What Colbert manages to do here has implications far beyond the links to circumstantial creepiness posted who-knows-how-many-places on this forum. He begins by setting a tone, making the same tired claim that he and John Stewart made for years on their previous programs: "We are not news, we are entertainment." First, this is disingenuous because such a substantial portion of his show is dedicated to current events not of the entertainment world. The fact that he riffs on them with jokes does not preclude the shaping of analysis that takes place night in and night out. The bulk of his guests even come from the world of politics and punditry.

So to start off the segment, he uses faux self-deprecation to make it sound as if the self-referential details to come should at no point make one believe that his show has any part in shaping public opinion.

Then, throughout his ridicule of our pet blowhard, Alex Jones, he establishes his broadcast from the Clinton Foundation event, as well as Jimmy Fallon's Slow Jam segment with Obama, as just more entertainment and comedy. What the general public don't take away from this, however, is how much this trend of humanising politicians and giving them platforms to discuss various policies away from sceptical questioning, makes his viewers think they are smarter and better informed. Journalism has pretty much already abdicated their standards, this is just another step in the wrong direction. Satirists and comedians have no business giving public servants this platform. It is propaganda, pure and simple.

Finally, to finish off the segment, right before we head off to see what products to buy, he puts Alex Jones and Wikileaks in the same rhetorical stew of a sentence. He completely ignores the fact that Wikileaks is not responsible for how the information in the emails is interpreted, misinterpreted or otherwise. The biggest takeaway from the emails being framed within the fake news hullabaloo should be the glaring distinction that the CONTENT OF THE LEAKED EMAILS IS NOT FAKE.

Now, Colbert is either smart or he's much less intelligent than people give him credit for. If he's smart, he knows he's a propagandist. If he doesn't know that, he's a useful idiot. Here is a classic example how #pizzagate is a yuuuge distraction.

Warning: this video may be offensive to some:

Well, maybe offensive to the DEEP DIGGERS like you who are so apprised of the organized EVIL of all media that you've lost any sense of proportion, not to mention your sense of humour. I found Colbert rather refreshing there.

[coffin_dodger]

Thanks, Spiro - top insight as to why 'late night news/comedy shows' are so insipid.

[Belligerent Savant]

Crossposted for relevance from here: http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 95#p623195

I believe analysing this segment based solely upon one's view of #Pizzagate is particularly wrongheaded here at RI. It's quite troubling, actually.

What Colbert manages to do here has implications far beyond the links to circumstantial creepiness posted who-knows-how-many-places on this forum. He begins by setting a tone, making the same tired claim that he and John Stewart made for years on their previous programs: "We are not news, we are entertainment." First, this is disingenuous because such a substantial portion of his show is dedicated to current events not of the entertainment world. The fact that he riffs on them with jokes does not preclude the shaping of analysis that takes place night in and night out. The bulk of his guests even come from the world of politics and punditry.

So to start off the segment, he uses faux self-deprecation to make it sound as if the self-referential details to come should at no point make one believe that his show has any part in shaping public opinion.

Then, throughout his ridicule of our pet blowhard, Alex Jones, he establishes his broadcast from the Clinton Foundation event, as well as Jimmy Fallon's Slow Jam segment with Obama, as just more entertainment and comedy. What the general public don't take away from this, however, is how much this trend of humanising politicians and giving them platforms to discuss various policies away from sceptical questioning, makes his viewers think they are smarter and better informed. Journalism has pretty much already abdicated their standards, this is just another step in the wrong direction. Satirists and comedians have no business giving public servants this platform. It is propaganda, pure and simple.

Finally, to finish off the segment, right before we head off to see what products to buy, he puts Alex Jones and Wikileaks in the same rhetorical stew of a sentence. He completely ignores the fact that Wikileaks is not responsible for how the information in the emails is interpreted, misinterpreted or otherwise. The biggest takeaway from the emails being framed within the fake news hullabaloo should be the glaring distinction that the CONTENT OF THE LEAKED EMAILS IS NOT FAKE.

Now, Colbert is either smart or he's much less intelligent than people give him credit for. If he's smart, he knows he's a propagandist. If he doesn't know that, he's a useful idiot. Here is a classic example how #pizzagate is a yuuuge distraction.

Astute. Spot-on.

[guruilla]

Agreed; except the bit about Pizzagate being a distraction. There's definitely a better word for it; mind-scrambler or something of that sort. Thought-stopper?

[norton ash]

Agreed; except the bit about Pizzagate being a distraction. There's definitely a better word for it; mind-scrambler or something of that sort. Thought-stopper?

And who manufactured this mind-scrambling thought-stopper? The Man?

[Iamwhomiam]

There is one and possibly only one valid reason for the papers' scrubbing the Norwegian pedo ring bust that I could imagine and that would be Interpol was about to raid pedo rings simultaneously internationally, in NY or its suburbs, and in those other places where newspapers deleted the story.

[slomo]

There is one and possibly only one valid reason for the papers' scrubbing the Norwegian pedo ring bust that I could imagine and that would be Interpol was about to raid pedo rings simultaneously internationally, in NY or its suburbs, and in those other places where newspapers deleted the story.

Possible. I doubt it, but if it were true it would certainly be positive. Since the collective readership of NYT, WaPo, Guardian, etc. is pretty much the entire Anglosphere, that would have to be the scope. We'll find out in a few weeks I guess (or not)?

[MacCruiskeen]

^^Also. the story is still widely available at several perfectly respectable and well-visited sites. A quick search finds it, for instance, at the English-language site The Local (in Norway), at The Independent in the UK, and at Germany's state-owned foreign-service broadcaster, Deutsche Welle (DW - roughly equivalent to BBC World):

https://www.google.de/search?q=the+loca ... 8wepjYfACg

[Spiro C. Thiery]

Agreed; except the bit about Pizzagate being a distraction. There's definitely a better word for it; mind-scrambler or something of that sort. Thought-stopper?

But if it is a thought-stopper, it distracts the viewer from deeper analysis of how people of power use the media to frame how they are viewed. More specifically in this case, the story as it is presented by Colbert even goes so far as to distract from how he is using it. He unleashed on more than just #pizzagate. He unleashed upon criticism of his favorable treatment of elite figures. What all of those who latched onto #pizzagate have done with their inclusion of Colbert in the story is given him the golden opportunity to associate inextricably his favorable treatment of Clinton et al and their criticism thereof with everything else in the #pizzagate universe.

Conversely to those of us who have dug ever deeper into the whys of such things, we should not discount the possibility that that very segment might well be evidence that #pizzagate is a deliberately manufactured distraction from other issues perhaps less sensationalized, with the added bonus that it is being used to cast a wider net and taint things not even associated with it. The latter part of that sentence is true either way.

[Iamwhomiam]

^^Also. the story is still widely available at several perfectly respectable and well-visited sites. A quick search finds it, for instance, at the English-language site The Local (in Norway), at The Independent in the UK, and at Germany's state-owned foreign-service broadcaster, Deutsche Welle (DW - roughly equivalent to BBC World):

https://www.google.de/search?q=the+loca ... 8wepjYfACg

Were you paying attention Mac you would have been aware I already posted the story, here.

[DrEvil]

^^Also. the story is still widely available at several perfectly respectable and well-visited sites. A quick search finds it, for instance, at the English-language site The Local (in Norway), at The Independent in the UK, and at Germany's state-owned foreign-service broadcaster, Deutsche Welle (DW - roughly equivalent to BBC World):

https://www.google.de/search?q=the+loca ... 8wepjYfACg

It's also at the BBC and Motherboard.

This story was very big in Norway. The national broadcaster (NRK) was pushing it hard for a week, so was Bergens Tidende (the largest regional paper covering the area where most of the accused are from).
A google news search for 'dark room' gives hits for all the major Norwegian media.

NRK also just finished a series of in-depth interviews with people who were abused as children. Not directly related to this case but more of a "focus on pedophilia" kind of thing.

It's fallen off the radar now because there really isn't much else to report on. The people involved haven't been named (as a rule of thumb Norwegian media don't name the accused) so there's no possibility for interviewing friends and family and digging through their past and all that. All we know are their age, rough location and occupation, one cop (and his son) and one local politician included.

[Iamwhomiam]

There is one and possibly only one valid reason for the papers' scrubbing the Norwegian pedo ring bust that I could imagine and that would be Interpol was about to raid pedo rings simultaneously internationally, in NY or its suburbs, and in those other places where newspapers deleted the story.

Possible. I doubt it, but if it were true it would certainly be positive. Since the collective readership of NYT, WaPo, Guardian, etc. is pretty much the entire Anglosphere, that would have to be the scope. We'll find out in a few weeks I guess (or not)?

I doubt that was the reason as well, slomo. It was the only possibility previously not mentioned. More likely it was deleted to keep eyes off the subject of pedophilia being an international operation, or network.

[guruilla]

But if it is a thought-stopper, it distracts the viewer from deeper analysis of how people of power use the media to frame how they are viewed.

Yeah, but isn't that only insofar as the viewer has already been Brocked insensible by years of illegitimate persuasion, on the one hand, and rapidly inundated with an endless stream of #FAKENEWS warnings leading up to and following #Pizzagate, on the other? Plus, the triggering/threatening nature of the information that's been coming out since the Podesta emails, and that's been assembled & arranged, through means both legitimate and not, sincere and insincere, into #Pizzgate?

More specifically in this case, the story as it is presented by Colbert even goes so far as to distract from how he is using it. He unleashed on more than just #pizzagate. He unleashed upon criticism of his favorable treatment of elite figures.

And on questioning the official narrative, period; which is what made it so dumbfounding that anyone at RI could approve of his rant.

What all of those who latched onto #pizzagate have done with their inclusion of Colbert in the story is given him the golden opportunity to associate inextricably his favorable treatment of Clinton et al and their criticism thereof with everything else in the #pizzagate universe.

Couldn't you also turn that around and say it the opposite way too? Isn't that exactly what we've seen even at RI, that #Pizzagate is a disreputable topic because it has been tied with disfavorable treatment of Clinton, et al, and with pro-Trumpism?

Conversely to those of us who have dug ever deeper into the whys of such things, we should not discount the possibility that that very segment might well be evidence that #pizzagate is a deliberately manufactured distraction from other issues perhaps less sensationalized, with the added bonus that it is being used to cast a wider net and taint things not even associated with it. The latter part of that sentence is true either way.

Where would such manufacturing have begun? Do you think that Podesta's interest in Abramovic is manufactured, that Abramovic's interest in occult rituals is, Tony Podesta's weird art collection, the Instagram photos linked to CPP, the Wikileaks emails? All or none of the above? To talk about #pizzagate as being manufactured requires more than just saying it, it requires saying what you mean by it. For one thing, what is Pizzagate anyhow, minus the hashtag? It's nowhere near as cut & dried as Watergate was; in fact I'd say Watergate is to Pizzagate what a drive-by shooting is to the JFK assassination, in terms of the complexity of angles and media and individuals involved in bringing whatever-TF-it-is to light. Watergate could be summed up in a couple of lines; the only way to sum up Pizzagate in a couple of lines, IMO, is to talk about "it" as a fake news conspiracy theory about a pedophile ring operating out of a pizza restaurant (or whatever the handy manufactured simplification-designed-to-be-dismissed is).

The more I hear it used, the more #Pizzagate as a descriptor seems like the thought-stopper and conversation-hijacker here. Maybe that's the psy-op: the terms and tools we are being given to try and understand this? "Pizzagate" can, and maybe needs to, be separated from the many different strands of evidence. Otherwise how do we even know when we are talking about the same thing?