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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:12 pm

Iamwhomiam » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:39 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:10 pm wrote:^^Also. the story is still widely available at several perfectly respectable and well-visited sites. A quick search finds it, for instance, at the English-language site The Local (in Norway), at The Independent in the UK, and at Germany's state-owned foreign-service broadcaster, Deutsche Welle (DW - roughly equivalent to BBC World):

https://www.google.de/search?q=the+loca ... 8wepjYfACg

Were you paying attention Mac you would have been aware I already posted the story, here.


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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:20 pm

I'm sure I'm not alone. What point were you attempting to make that hadn't been already made? Not looking to argue, only looking for a better understanding of a point you made I missed?
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:31 pm

Follow the link from my post, IAWIA. It's self-explanatory what I was replying to: your conjecture of a possible motive for the disappearance of the AP-sourced stories. If the story is still widely available, in several languages including English, all over the Web, then the postulated reason (or excuse) makes very little sense, if any at all. The Internet is the perps' very element. They are at home there. And it is, presumably, a fairly close-knit and careful little "community".

Iamwhomiam » 13 Dec 2016 09:03 wrote:

There is one and possibly only one valid reason for the papers' scrubbing the Norwegian pedo ring bust that I could imagine and that would be Interpol was about to raid pedo rings simultaneously internationally, in NY or its suburbs, and in those other places where newspapers deleted the story.
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:40 pm

Thank you Mac for explaining the point you were making that I missed.
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:08 pm

guruilla » 6 minutes ago wrote:
Spiro C. Thiery » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:24 pm wrote:What all of those who latched onto #pizzagate have done with their inclusion of Colbert in the story is given him the golden opportunity to associate inextricably his favorable treatment of Clinton et al and their criticism thereof with everything else in the #pizzagate universe.

Couldn't you also turn that around and say it the opposite way too? Isn't that exactly what we've seen even at RI, that #Pizzagate is a disreputable topic because it has been tied with disfavorable treatment of Clinton, et al, and with pro-Trumpism?

I don't see these two representing "the opposite way". I have little interest in the pro/contra back and forth on RI re. #pizzagate. My interest was how the Colbert segment used #pizzagate to downplay his own propagandising and smear whistleblowing.

guruilla » 6 minutes ago wrote:Where would such manufacturing have begun? Do you think that Podesta's interest in Abramovic is manufactured, that Abramovic's interest in occult rituals is, Tony Podesta's weird art collection, the Instagram photos linked to CPP, the Wikileaks emails? All or none of the above?

That would require copious and accurate documentation and analysis of the history of #pizzagate as a phenomenon, which itself necessitates the kind of access that would be difficult to come by.

guruilla » 6 minutes ago wrote:Do you think that Podesta's interest in Abramovic is manufactured, that Abramovic's interest in occult rituals is, Tony Podesta's weird art collection, the Instagram photos linked to CPP, the Wikileaks emails? All or none of the above?

Certainly the "codebreaking" of the emails are where it all goes off the rails, in my opinion.

guruilla » 6 minutes ago wrote:"Pizzagate" can, and maybe needs to, be separated from the many different strands of evidence. Otherwise how do we even know when we are talking about the same thing?

By all means, get separating then. Like I said, my interest was Colbert's dipshittery, which became even more abundantly clear when he started working for Westinghouse, and, surprise, surprise, his real persona is barely distinguishable from the fake one on the Comedy Central. I was just using the term pronominally.
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby guruilla » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:01 pm

slomo » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:37 am wrote: I don't give a flying fuck about Alex Jones, never did.

Me neither, except as a cultural curiosity.

But if we're going to be talking about #Pizzagate as a #Psyop, then Jones becomes something to pay attention to. People (I think inc. you?) have referred to his hyperbole about Hillary and child-murder, that he is a primary player in discrediting much of the allegations by stating them so baldly. If Jones is not pushing #Pizzagate, we know one thing for sure: it's not because it's not credible enough.

Spiro C. Thiery wrote:Certainly the "codebreaking" of the emails are where it all goes off the rails, in my opinion.

It's interesting you mention that because I don't think any of the arguments I've made have depended on those emails; I don't even refer to them that much. & yet because they kick-started the whole #Pizzagate thing, the shakiness of those emails can be used by some people to dismiss the whole thing, even tho what kick-starts an investigation has no bearing on the validity of whatever evidence is subsequently found. It's just a catalyst, nothing more.

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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby slomo » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:30 pm

guruilla » 13 Dec 2016 16:01 wrote:
slomo » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:37 am wrote: I don't give a flying fuck about Alex Jones, never did.

Me neither, except as a cultural curiosity.

But if we're going to be talking about #Pizzagate as a #Psyop, then Jones becomes something to pay attention to. People (I think inc. you?) have referred to his hyperbole about Hillary and child-murder, that he is a primary player in discrediting much of the allegations by stating them so baldly. If Jones is not pushing #Pizzagate, we know one thing for sure: it's not because it's not credible enough.

Spiro C. Thiery wrote:Certainly the "codebreaking" of the emails are where it all goes off the rails, in my opinion.

It's interesting you mention that because I don't think any of the arguments I've made have depended on those emails; I don't even refer to them that much. & yet because they kick-started the whole #Pizzagate thing, the shakiness of those emails can be used by some people to dismiss the whole thing, even tho what kick-starts an investigation has no bearing on the validity of whatever evidence is subsequently found. It's just a catalyst, nothing more.

Cheers for helping me see that. :thumbsup

There are three things going on. Thing #1 is organized CP/RA, which has existed for ages. The social network analysis (Silsby, etc.) is probably the greatest evidence for it in this particular case, but it's all circumstantial, not really enough to tie down to any one actor: not the Podesta brothers, not Alefantis, and (honestly) not even Silsby herself. Of course, anybody who has followed Jeff Wells' blog would believe elite involvement in CP/RA (or at least be aware of the claims and evidence), and it's not a leap to assume that the activities flow through DC, with or without this particular media iteration (#PG). The Podesta emails and whatever code they contain are incidental (I do think that "cheese pizza" can in general mean what people are inferring, but it's hard to know if that is the meaning the Podestas are using, and the other supposed code words are a stretch, imho). Thing #2 is CPP and Alefantis himself. I think he is at least guilty of child abuse on technical grounds (child's arms taped down, whether it was harmless or not, a lowlier man would expect a visit from CPS). The one Instagram photo is evidence of that. He is certainly a creepy person with creepy friends, and that is substantiated by the other Instagrams and the very fucked up art that swirls around CPP like fetid toilet water (including the Podestas' purchases). Beyond that, there is no evidence for any specific wrongdoing along the lines of CP/RA particularly (although, if more direct evidence were to emerge, it wouldn't surprise any of us). Thing #3 is the Fake News narrative, including Jones, the scrubbing of the Norway bust, and (what the hell) Russians stealing our election and planting CP on their way out. This is probably the one that can be most profitably focused on, because the evidence for it is pretty much at our fingertips, all of us.
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby OP ED » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:49 pm

(There's also the tweets accusing Podesta of running a slave operation that predate the wikileaks release by years, which are interesting in and of themselves)
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Postby Grizzly » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:25 pm

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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby divideandconquer » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:27 am

Driving home, last night, I was listening to NPR, and they mentioned algorithms to control "fake news" so I googled it when I got home.

Google Fixes Algorithm to Remove Holocaust-Denying Results and Other 'Non-Authoritative Information'

After it was widely reported that the first Google search result for “Did the Holocaust happen?” was from Stormfront, a white supremacist website, Google decided to alter its algorithm to remove Holocaust denial sites all together.

When the news first broke, Google said it would not remove the article—titled “Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen”—from its results because the company does “not remove content from [its] search results, except in very limited cases such as illegal content, malware and violations of our webmaster guidelines.”

But Google had a change of heart. A spokesperson for the company told Digital Trends, “Judging which pages on the web best answer a query is a challenging problem and we don’t always get it right.”

The spokesperson also emphasized that the company strives “to give users a breadth of diverse content from variety of sources and...[is] committed to the principle of a free and open web.”

Google made sure to emphasize it is still sorting its results automatically, and that the company had simply “made improvements” to its algorithm when it comes to “non-authoritative information.” The spokesperson said that this “will help surface more high quality, credible content on the web.”

This is a major shift for the company. In 2008, Google founder Sergey Brin said in an interview with Israeli politician Yair Lapid:
An important part of our values as a company is that we don’t edit the search results. What our algorithms produce, whether we like it or not, are the search results. I think people want to know we have unbiased search results.

We’ve reached out to Google to ask more about the company’s decision to alter its algorithm, and what that means for the future of fake news. Maybe Google could lend some of its Silicon Valley peers a helping hand with all that.

Now when you search “did the Holocaust happen?” Stormfront appears to have disappeared entirely.


Stormfront articles are not the only ones disappearing...
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby elfismiles » Thu Dec 29, 2016 4:11 pm

OP ED » 14 Dec 2016 00:49 wrote:(There's also the tweets accusing Podesta of running a slave operation that predate the wikileaks release by years, which are interesting in and of themselves)


stefano » 22 Dec 2016 09:03 wrote:Awesome, thanks OP ED.

On this, though -

OP ED » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:19 am wrote:J Podesta was on vacation with another pedo while this pedo was practicing. [OP ED doesn't have any pedophiles for friends, he thinks that's weird of itself] He (Podesta) has been mentioned, by his opponents, yes, as being involved in sex trafficking years ago. His brother collects child abuse art and parties at BG with about five dozen people suspected of similar or worse crimes as exhaustedly documented here.

It's Tony Podesta who's friends with Dennis Hastert. And if by "He (Podesta) has been mentioned, by his opponents, yes, as being involved in sex trafficking years ago" you're referring to the tweets by Andrew Breitbart, my understanding is that that was really stretching in relation to some weird video James O'Keefe had made for Breitbart about ACORN.


and ...

Did Andrew Breitbart Expose John Podesta’s Connection To A Child Sex Ring Before His Death? PizzaGate Conspiracy Theory Takes Another Turn [Debunked]
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby divideandconquer » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:43 pm

I know that this may not seem like a big deal but it sort of is because they really are cracking down on places to share opinions, insight, information, etc.. Sure you might have to sift through trolls (probably mostly paid) but there are, on occasion, different points of view, interpretations, insight, discussions even at IMDB that are interesting or eye-opening.

IMDb Is Shutting Down Its Discussion Boards

Blame the trolls: IMDb, the Amazon-owned website that provides movie, TV and celebrity content, has decided to shut down its message boards because they’re “no longer providing a positive, useful experience” for the vast majority of its users.

“As part of our ongoing effort to continually evaluate and enhance the customer experience on IMDb, we have decided to disable IMDb’s message boards on February 20, 2017,” IMDb said in a notice posted on its site on Friday. “We regret any disappointment or frustration IMDb message board users may experience as a result of this decision.”

The shutdown also means IMDb’s private-messaging system will be disabled on Monday, Feb. 20. The website said the decision to kill off the message boards came “only after careful consideration and was based on data and traffic.”

Amazon, which acquired IMDb in 1998, says the site has more than 250 million monthly users worldwide.

The website said part of the decision was driven by the fact that users have migrated to IMDb’s social-media accounts as the main forums for comments and communication with IMDb editors and other users. It currently has 6.9 million followers on its Facebook page and nearly 3 million for its official Twitter account.

According to IMDb, it plans to launch new features in 2017 to help users “communicate and express themselves in meaningful ways,” but it didn’t provide details on what those might be.
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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby conniption » Tue May 16, 2017 8:18 pm

The "Crackdown" might include MSM. They're the worst when it comes to Fake News.

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May 16, 2017

One Day, Three Serious News Stories That Turn Out To Be False


It is a fakenews day. Three stories are making the rounds through the media that are each based on false or widely exaggerated interpretation of claims. North Korea, Syria and the U.S. President are the targets.

1. The Wall Street Journal asserts with a #fakenews headline that bits of computer-code in the recent WannaCry ransom virus are identical with bits of computer code that was allegedly used in a 2014 hack of Sony. (The Sony attack was falsely attributed to North Korea.)

Researchers Identify Clue Connecting Ransomware Assault to Group Tied to North Korea

Neel Mehta, a security researcher at Alphabet Inc.’s Google unit, on Monday pointed out similarities between that earlier WannaCry variant and code used in a series of attacks that security specialists have attributed to the Lazarus group.


The "Lazerus group" (which probably does not exist at all) was attributed to North Korean state agencies. Six paragraphs later we learn that the "similarities" were found in often reused code:

The findings don’t necessarily demonstrate that Lazarus or North Korea was involved in the WannaCry attack, researchers said. The culprits in the latest attack, who haven’t been identified, could have copied the code in question, for example.
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The connection found in the old version lies in software that both programs use to securely connect to other systems over the internet, said Kurt Baumgartner, a Kaspersky Lab researcher.


Common code is found in nearly all software that sets up an internet connection. The reason for that is quite simple. No longer does anyone ever write such code. There are well tested examples of such program snippets widely available in open-source software on Github and elsewhere. "Copy and paste" is done faster than re-inventing the wheel. Even worse - the code snippet in question here is so trivial that any decent programmer would likely write it the very same way (a call to the Time() function to get a seed value for a following call to the Random() function). There are only X reasonable ways to add 1 to 1. Two people doing it the same way proves nothing at all. People copying publicly available code proves nothing either. It certainly does not prove that code for two different hacks was written by the same people. It does not provided that these bugs have anything at all to do with North Korea. The bits of similarities are of zero factual news value.

2. Back in February Amnesty International (which promotes NATO interventions) issued a sensational report about alleged killings in Syrian prisons. As we wrote at that time:

A new Amnesty International report claims that the Syrian government hanged between 5,000 and 13,000 prisoners in a military prison in Syria. The evidence for that claim is flimsy, based on hearsay of anonymous people outside of Syria. The numbers themselves are extrapolations that no scientist or court would ever accept. It is tabloid reporting and fiction style writing from its title "Human Slaughterhouse" down to the last paragraph.


The U.S. State Department now reused that fake report and adds wrongly interpreted satellite pics to further slander the Syrian government:

US: Syria is burning bodies to hide proof of mass killings

In its latest accusations of Syrian abuses, the State Department said it believed about 50 detainees each day are being hanged at Saydnaya military prison, about 45 minutes north of Damascus. Many of the bodies are then burned in the crematorium "to cover up the extent of mass murders taking place," said Stuart Jones, the top U.S. diplomat for the Middle East, accusing Assad's government of sinking "to a new level of depravity."

The department released commercial satellite photographs showing what it described as a building in the prison complex that was modified to support the crematorium. The photographs, taken over the course of several years, beginning in 2013, do not prove the building is a crematorium, but show construction consistent with such use.


If there was a crematorium being build in the Saydnaya prison how is it that none of the Amnesty witness said so in the recent Amnesty report? These witnesses, Amnesty claims, have been in that prison and observed all kind of details. They claim that any dead were buried in mass graves.

A Dutch military expert looks at the commercial satellite pictures and the interpretation State provided and asks:

Ian Grant‏ @Gjoene - 6:02 PM - 15 May 2017

Is this a joke @StateDept? Even before 27 Aug '13 these "vents" were present. See included Terraserver footage (03 april '13) #Sednaya


Another reconnaissance specialist expands on that:

Aldin Abazović @CT_operative - 5:33 PM - 15 May 2017

Pictures that allegedly show crematorium of Saidnaya prison, #Damascus #Syria. As much as I hate to get involved into this matter, these #1
#2 images prove nothing at all. This building could be simple boiler/heating room for the prison compound. Unless you visit there is no
#3 way to prove anything. Its easy to manipulate with satellite imagery. You just put the right label on thing and there you have it
#4 I can't confirm what the particular part of prison is nor for what it's used.


The State Department has no evidence for its "crematorium claim" but the Amnesty report which says nothing about a crematorium at the prison and some satellite pictures that do not show what the State Department claims. It is throwing dirt at the Syria government in the hope that some of it will stick. This release of nothing will create some headlines in "western" outrage publications. It may be in propaganda preparation for a wider war on Syria.

3. The deep state is out to get U.S. President Trump impeached. Yesterday a new, well prepared and coordinated campaign against Trump was launched. Anonymous claims to the Washington Post were "confirmed" by similar claims from (likely) the same sources to Buzzfeed. The claims may have some grounds in reality but the actual facts, even as described in shrill words, are harmless. WaPo:

Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.


(Hmm - how would "former U.S. officials" know what was said in the Oval Office and to what consequences?) It takes six paragraphs of such slander to learn what Trump actually disclosed:

Trump went off script and began describing details of an Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.


"Terrorist threat[s] related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft" are a well known method of Al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula. If ISIS in Syria has copied that modus operandi it is interesting, but nothing sensational. The details, where ISIS is preparing these operations, may be somewhat relevant, but over how many cites does ISIS actually rule?

National Security Advisor McMaster, who was in the room with Trump and Lavrov, is on the record (down in paragraph eight!) denying that any sources or methods were revealed.

The only real claim here is that Trump gave Lavrov a tip-off with regard to a terrorist threat.

If Putin would learn of a potential ISIS attack on a U.S. passenger jet would you want him to share that secret information with the U.S. government? Of course you would.

But Buzzfeed and other anti-Trump organs blow the claims up to high heavens, The Lawfare writers go off their meds:

If the President gave this information away through carelessness or neglect, he has arguably breached his oath of office.


Utter bullshit. Trump would have offered such intelligence out of courtesy as part of his deal-making with the Russian government. Exchange of threat intelligence is regular business even between parties who otherwise dislike each other. It is in the interests of all to do such. That such an exchange happened is not newsworthy. even it touched some details.

Even worse - it is the publishing about the Oval office talk that can only help the terrorists. As Emptywheel says:

these very outraged sources are [..] sharing the information that it is so outrageous to share.


If Trump's information sharing is outrageous why did the sources offer that same information to the global media? Why did WaPo and others publish on it?

Trump was elected with the support of the U.S. military. Clinton was supported by the corporate and intelligence sides of the power triangle. Trump won. Now the deep-state intelligence side, together with the moneyed part of the Democratic party, is out to impeach him. The constant sensationalized dribble of false or irrelevant claims against him prepares the ground for that.

The three fake-news examples above contain no news at all. The bits exposed in them have no information value. Their only purpose is to influence the readers by exaggerating outlandish claims based on little, if any, real facts of minor importance.

This full-throated propagandizing on all channels, without any critical voices challenging the basic facts, is endangering the functioning of democracy. The fourth estate is now just a tool to influence. It can no longer claim to have any inherent value.


For the average person one way out of this onslaught is to search for, use and foster alternative and discerning sources of news. The other is to give up.

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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue May 16, 2017 8:42 pm

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This Fake Magazine Cover Made It Onto President Trump's Desk
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Early on, Stone explains, he learned about “the value of disinformation”


“Dirty tricks came naturally to Stone. He assumed a pseudonym and made contributions on behalf of the Young Socialist Alliance to one of Nixon’s potential challengers. He hired spies to infiltrate the McGovern campaign. Stone wasn’t shy about his handiwork.


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Re: Internet Giants Crackdown on "Fake" News After Election.

Postby Elvis » Wed May 17, 2017 12:05 am

It is throwing dirt at the Syria government in the hope that some of it will stick.


Problem is, it's sticking.
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