Hundreds Arrested in Canadian Pedo Ring Bust

[PufPuf93]

I mentioned the date in the 2nd post

I read the OP link

You made links that were explicit about the date, you did not mention the date in your own words.

I must admit that most recently I have not made the time to read many of your links out of laziness and in knowing that I would likely be at least somewhat sympathetic to the narrative.

One exception is that I despise Hillary Clinton and her hardcore followers. I consider you SLAD more nuanced than HRC's hardcore.

I hold HRC et al including the DNC and other Democratic party leadership as 100% responsible for the electoral success of Trump. People like me (lifelong Democratic party members that found HRC lacking in character) were essentially told to take a hike and neoconservative Bushites pandered to to replace our votes. The American people deserve at least one halfway likable and not compromised candidate for POTUS. The HRC Libya video "We came etc" put me over the edge in regarding HRC as anything other than a psychopath. I would have still voted for HRC if not in California. The fact that HRC lost when telling her own constituency that the election was in the bag for months is telling as I do not believe that internal to the campaign polls indicated what was told voters. Works fine until you lose and Trump is POTUS elect. I was reconciled to HRC as POTUS and that her time would be weak and short and we could try again and not HRC losing and her coattails resulting in the poorest position for the Democratic party in their history. Yet HRC et al still want to blame others. Talk about denial. They turned on a major portion of their own party and gave away the election.

I would respect and like your thoughtful analysis more often than anger and endless links. Like how are we to deal with this shit sandwich? Times are dangerous and as far as I can see there is no competent leadership at all.

[PufPuf93]

Why didn't you mention the date?

It was bait so that other people could make a point for me.

Also an incident worth consolidating information about, so: win-win.

Good old confirmation bias that runs rife at RI.

Guruilla seems to me mis-perceive me about the Crowley stuff.

Also I do not want Guruilla to leave and I not only enjoy reading his writing here but also his blog.

But Guruilla is stuck on a satanic pedophile ritual abuse that may well be true and explanatory of how parts of the world work.

My criticism is that he forms complex narratives that are made of bits and pieces on the internet and elsewhere and thus creates a not that well grounded though attractive in its logic substance.

Regards Crowley note that I have never been in particular support of Crowley aside as a curiousity (except he was a hard working and creative man as evidenced by the amount and breath of his work and meetings with various thinkers). More recent practitioners may be derivative of what Crowley recorded as sex magick and other ritual but the modern field was not because of Crowley the syncretic magician so one may miss detail by blaming all on Crowleyanity. There would be and mostly is satanic ritual abuse without Crowley ever having existed. There is very little evidence of Crowley being a child molester despite the shear volumes of his work and work about the man. However, I do not believe that Crowley is 100% innocent in this regard either, mostly Crowley is of limited use in 2016 as a focus.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Crowley was raised in one of the Plymouth Brethern sects in the UK and probably alot of his showmanship/schtick comes from that upbringing. its no secret that he hated those people and i think by extension Christianity. personally i'd be surprised if there was no sexual abuse in his childhood. I think there would have been plenty of physical, emotional and psychic abuse cos thats how they raised kids back then. That might have been enough on its own to trigger his anger but i always wondered if there was more to it.

[divideandconquer]

Why didn't you mention the date?

It was bait so that other people could make a point for me.

Also an incident worth consolidating information about, so: win-win.

Ah, well, I'm not so sure the point you were trying to make--confirmation bias-- was made. I skimmed the article without clicking on the link you provided, trusting the fact that most people don't create threads about three year old events as if they just happened.

On the other hand, if you were trying to prove lack of rigor ...

[Cordelia]

Caught

[lyrimal]

Cheap and tawdry. The only one should feel a fool is the moderator/OP

[seemslikeadream]

no ....people need to read before jumping to conclusions, the facts were right there in my post, even for the laziest person who couldn't take the time to click the OP link, I posted it for them and they still didn't bother to read the facts

It did not dawn on me why W was posting that...I just went to look for more info first and I found out in less than 1 minute

[Cordelia]

[Agent Orange Cooper]

More recent, per: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel

[Wombaticus Rex]

Cheap and tawdry. The only one should feel a fool is the moderator/OP

Oh, I do.

More or less every time I log back in here.

[Wombaticus Rex]

One of the things that fascinates me about the big "Bust" operations is how quickly they disappear from the news cycle. Hoover and Anslinger absolutely perfected the "Bust" as media event, but the news cycle is too fast to sustain coverage.

Three years later: http://www.torontosun.com/2016/08/08/pr ... o-10-years

Prolific child pornographer sentenced to 10 years

Canada’s most prolific child pornographer was sentenced Monday to 10 years in prison but only faces 20 more months in jail.

Brian Way, 44, was convicted in May 2015, becoming Canada’s most infamous child pornographer with 57 offensive videos — which didn’t depict actual sex acts — sent world-wide.

OP -- and pretty much any wire story on the subject -- carried that memorable quote about police finding "some of the worst they have ever viewed" -- but that was Brian Way's home collection. Curious that these possessions are omitted from the sentencing logic, innit?

In passing sentence on Way, Justice Julie Thorburn deducted seven years and 10 months from the 10 year sentence, giving him credit for the more than five years he has spent in jail since his May 2011 arrest. In addition, another six months was deducted for verbal and physical abuse he suffered from court officers at Metro West detention centre, said Thorburn.

But that sentence is simply too lenient for Way’s heinous crimes, said acting detective-sergeant Paul Krawczyk, of the Toronto Police force’s child exploitation unit, which spearheaded the investigation.

“This sentence is low for what happened here. Forty-four children were exploited over numerous years. We saw these victims grow up on these videos,” said Krawczyk in an interview.

Two of the boys turned into adult porn actors, court heard.

“They’ll never get that portion of their lives back and will be affected by this forever,” said Krawczyk. “I just don’t think the sentence reflects that. There are people in other countries who are sentenced to 10 years for buying one video.

“These 44 will be re-victimized forever on the Internet. Their videos have been sold and you’ll never get them back,” said Krawczyk. “Their images will be on the Internet forever.”

Thorburn said the films involved “boys who looked to be between 10 to 18 years of age ... who were often nude.

“They included scenes where boys pull off one another’s underwear, fight with one another and put creams on each other. There are close up photo shots ... to best depict the images of the genitals,” said Thorburn, who included five years in Way’s sentence for his huge personal collection of child porn.

Way’s personal collection included 250,000 images and 10,000 videos and featured “graphic, disturbing and sometimes violent depictions of children ranging in age from toddlers to adolescents involved in sex acts,” said Thorburn.

The prosecution sought 14 years and wanted a fine or forfeiture of $800,000 in criminal proceeds.

Thorburn fined Way $20,000, asserting he “lived modestly, rented a condo, leased a vehicle and had no significant assets.”

He showed remorse, pleading guilty to possession of his home collection and admitted he needs help for his perverse sexual preference, said Thorburn.

Yeah...I don't think Canada is gonna survive the next century. Your tolerance is pure weakness.

Anyways, Aangrifan has more (of course) about the Ukraine and CIA connections and (as ever) it is a mix of dubious and curious:
http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2015/01/vl ... d-cia.html

A bit surprised that site even exists, given the nature of the material and the specific accusations contained in those archives.

[Cordelia]

It was bait so that other people could make a point for me.

Considering the readership, probably not a good subject to use as bait.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Dumb question: why? Isn't that one of the core subjects we're here to discuss?

Would anyone here, new or old, be surprised to see another thread on the subject of organized pedophile rings on Rigorous Intuition?

Edit: to be clear, this is a serious question. If you guys think it's inappropriate I will simply delete this thread.

[Cordelia]

Serious answer: the 'bait' part.

But, imo, don't delete. Some things that remind me about rage can be very valuable. I'm not being sarcastic.

[PufPuf93]

Dumb question: why? Isn't that one of the core subjects we're here to discuss?

Would anyone here, new or old, be surprised to see another thread on the subject of organized pedophile rings on Rigorous Intuition?

Edit: to be clear, this is a serious question. If you guys think it's inappropriate I will simply delete this thread.

I think that RI as a safe discussion space for victims and foes of pedophilia (among other topics).

That said, the "broad net" pedophile raids probably are not that effective at catching the more evil powerful pedophiles.