Who Was Seth Rich?

[mentalgongfu2]

I want to know if Seth Rich was the source of the leak to WikiLeaks.

As do I. And while I can imagine Assange and his colleagues might have good reason for failing to weigh in concretely and publicly on this important question, I am baffled as to what those reasons may be.

It appears Wikileaks could easily end the speculation with a yay or nay if they wished. Doing so wouldn't solve the murder, but it would either illuminate the motive or cross one off the list.

[Elvis]

Those definitions make a revealing lens to view what cascades forth from media these days. One of the most effective means of burying facts is to have a ridiculous person proclaim them far and wide.

Thanks. A very good point, given the MSM sledgehammer chorus of "conspiracy theory!" and confindent dismissals of the new favorite, a "non-existent conspiracy." For that matter, there doesn't have to be any conspiracy involved, it could have been one person covering his own ass.

I want to know if Seth Rich was the source of the leak to WikiLeaks.

Apparently that's just too much to ask, for some. That a highly patriotic computer specialist and Bernie Sanders supporter employed at the DNC working on email systems might have a motive to leak those incriminating emails is nothing more than crazy talk just made up out of nothing. How dare you. You probably also believe that 9/11 was an inside job and that Jews run the world. Hillary Clinton is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being who's ever run for president, and to make these shameful insinuations is beyond the pale. You Hannity-loving creep.


With rationality out the window, all that remains are emotional appeals. None of the cool kids believe this stuff.

Remember when people tried to stifle discussion of 9/11 with demands to shut up "out of respect for the families"?*


* Edit — I mention this because the seed that grew this very forum was The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11.

[Cordelia]

Footage of Seth Rich asking a question at 2015 'Election Data Summit'*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOEwQ9ijQ8

“Seth Rich, with the DNC,” he introduces himself, after clearing his throat. “I think some of you had spoken about provisional ballots and rejected ballots — I guess we have looked at, as an outside practitioner with a vested interest in training our voters, how do we get better access to data that tells us why ballots are rejected — why ballots are cast as provisional — so we can analyze that and develop better training guides?”

http://bigleaguepolitics.com/video-emer ... integrity/

*Election Data Summit
Aug 12 - Thursday, August, 13, 2015
08:30 AM - 04:30 AM

American University, School of Public Affairs
Ward Circle Building Ward 1 (auditorium)
4400 Massachusetts Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20016

EAC hosted a two day election data summit to discuss how good data can help elections run better. The gathering took place on August 12 & 13 at American University in Washington, DC. Attendees included a broad spectrum of election researchers, state and local government election officials and representatives from leading non-profit election organizations.

https://www.eac.gov/events/2015/08/12/e ... ta-summit/

[Cordelia]

I’m not familiar w/George Webb or Crowdsource (know he/it's been referred to up-thread) and have recent spotty video internet connection, but just finished watching this interview w/Rod Wheeler. With the exception of Wheeler’s re-cap of his conversation w/Aaron Rich (unnecessary ‘interpretation, imo) midway into the interview, I find the participants, questions asked, analysis, etc. credible & informative.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuq6ylMKS3U



Re-capped at link below, inc.....

Many of the “family’s statements” seem to becoming from the DNC hired PR crisis management firm rather than the family.

As a detective, he conceptualizes his approach to a homicide “going through 3 doors.”

Door #1: random street crime.

Door #2: relationship crime–affairs, angry landlord, family dispute.

Door #3: workplace related crime, conflict with boss, company secrets, etc.

Rod reports that his investigation was unimpeded while he looked at Doors #1 and #2. These turned up very little. However, when he began to look at Door #3, the shit began to hit the fan with obstructions appearing from many angles.

http://investmentwatchblog.com/seth-ric ... -cover-up/

Regarding public’s ability to obtain autopsy reports from D.C. Medical Examiner, fwiw:

Autopsy Report

An Autopsy Report may be obtained by the decedent’s next-of-kin (via an in person request or via a notarized written request), notarized authorization from the next-of-kin, or pursuant to a validly issued subpoena or court order. Autopsy Report requests must include the decedent’s full name and date of death and, should also include the OCME case number if available. Payment must also be submitted, payable to the DC Treasurer, at the time of the request utilizing the following fee schedule:

Autopsy Reports (family) - $15.00

Autopsy Reports (private organizations) - $50.00

https://ocme.dc.gov/page/request-documents

[Elvis]

^^^^ Thanks.

Some interesting rumor from Randy Voller—did police 'seal off' Seth's area of the hospital while he was still alive?—and some plain good sense in looking at the crime generally:

Former NC Chair Of Democratic Party Talks About Seth Rich
Max Keiser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMES5WFp_0

[Cordelia]

^^^Interesting interview. Voller validated my assumption of what he calls a ‘cottage industry’ of people, in service to those in power, who engage in ‘unethical, immoral activities’ (implying also murder; not just in Washington of course, but everywhere throughout the ages.)

Disappointed but not surprised that MoJo joined WaPo and the other mainstream media early on (and continues) in closing rank on the Seth Rich slaying.

How a DNC Staffer’s Murder Unleashed a Perfect Storm of Right-Wing Conspiracy Theories

......police say there is no evidence that Rich’s death was politically motivated. “At this time, there is no indication that Seth Rich’s death is connected to his employment at the DNC,” the DC Metropolitan Police Department said in a statement on Wednesday to Mother Jones.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -theories/

What Mother Jones was, long ago.........

“Mother Jones (abbreviated MoJo) is a progressive American magazine that focuses on news, commentary, and investigative reporting on topics including politics, the environment, human rights, and culture.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Jones_(magazine)

Interesting article below addresses the original police statement, which contradicts later statement and early newspaper articles on how the police were alerted to the shooting; did officers patrolling nearby hear gunshots or were they summoned through the digital alert system ‘ShotSpotter’?

SETH RICH: Original Police Statement Contradicts Current Police Statement

The original Metropolitan Police Department press release in the Seth Rich murder case contradicts early mainstream news reports on a key detail: how did police officers find out about the shooting?

In the press release, the Department said that officers “heard gunshots.” But the news reports, and the Department’s current version of the story, claim that officers were alerted to the gunshots by a digital surveillance system, and did not actually hear the gunshots themselves. This is especially important because there are no eyewitnesses in the case. Why did the Police Department change its story?

http://bigleaguepolitics.com/seth-rich- ... s-reports/

[Cordelia]

c/p from MPDC report (printed 7/12/16) confirming police body cameras and that Command Information Center was notified that electronic surveillance picked up gunshots (disputing reports that police nearby heard gunshots):

"ROBERT WINGATE ROBINSON (#7634) (Body Worn Camera), Derek Tarr (#9237) (Other Officers At Scene), Shea Ellis (#9499) (Other Officers At Scene), Benjamin Velez (#6631) (Body Worn Camera), Mark Lee (#6141) (Body Worn Camera)

R-1 CIC SHOTSPOTTER

CIC reports the sound of gunshots at 2134 Flagler Pl. NW. Upon arriving to the scene, the decedent was laying in the Southwest corner of the intersection of W St. and Flagler Pl. NW. The decedent was conscious and breathing with apparent gunshot wound(s) to the back. The decedent was transported to local area hospital and was pronounced by attending physician at 0557 hours."

https://www.scribd.com/document/3206919 ... t-Packet-1

[Iamwhomiam]

I thought it all along had been known that the shotspotter located the exact location through triangulation, and then dispatched police to that GPS location, but still, that wouldn't preclude the possibility a cop or more than one somewhere nearby also heard the shots as they were fired.

[Cordelia]

From the MPDC statement on July 11:

Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Department’s Homicide Branch are investigating a fatal shooting that occurred in the 2100 block of Flagler Place, Northwest on Sunday, July 10, 2016.

At approximately 4:19 am, members of the Fifth District were patrolling the area when they heard gunshots. Upon arrival on the scene, members located an adult male victim conscious and breathing, and suffering from gunshot wounds. The victim was transported to an area hospital, where he succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/homicide-21 ... -northwest

Agree that one wouldn't preclude the other, but then why not include both in police statement/reports? It does raise some questions......

[mentalgongfu2]

Other than the question of why this possible inconsistency exists in the reports of how the gunshots were detected, what questions does it raise?

[Cordelia]

Maybe not much, but the MPDC released (on the 12th) the change made after mainstream media reported it (on the 11th) as being from the electronic system. Why did the media contradict the police dept? MPDC has a long (exposed & heavily criticized) history of faulty investigations and corruption in their dept. and this is a very high profile case attracting a lot of attention. Why aren't they being more forthcoming to the public with some basic information/explanations/update rather than letting the media go at legitimately based questions as 'conspiracy theories and fake news'? (Because they work together, of course.) A very contemptuous stand they take, and one w/impunity.

[Iamwhomiam]

The discrepancies are indeed a curiosity. Do you have a timestamp for the earlier or initial police report, Cordelia? In order to compare its time of release with the articles times of publication.

Both articles referred to below are from July 11, also report the PD were alerted to the location by ShotSpotter. These are now referred to in the wiki entry as references #30 & #33. (On the 1st page of this thread these were then references #10 & #11 - Elvis' post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-identify-man-fatally-shot-in-bloomingdale/2016/07/11/4236fd1a-4754-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/washington-dnc-staffer-seth-conrad-rich-shot-killed-article-1.2707538

[Cordelia]

^^^
No time stamp; date of the 11th (date is important but is time?), contradicting the newspaper reports published on the 11th, the MPDC incident report, printed 7/12, has changed and matches the newspapers.

Homicide: 2100 Block of Flagler Place, Northwest

Monday, July 11, 2016

Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Department’s Homicide Branch are investigating a fatal shooting that occurred in the 2100 block of Flagler Place, Northwest on Sunday, July 10, 2016.

At approximately 4:19 am, members of the Fifth District were patrolling the area when they heard gunshots.....
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/homicide-21 ... -northwest

[Cordelia]

fwiw...... Press Release from lobbyist Jack Burkman’s ‘Profiling Project’. Could be interesting between-the-lines reading. Maybe.

MEDIA ALERT: Seth Rich murder: Tomorrow at 11am THE PROFILING PROJECT to release initial findings

Report to be made available under embargo beginning at 6pm ET today

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017, at a news conference in Arlington, Virginia, The Profiling Project, the independent, nonpartisan unit comprised of forensic experts and George Washington University (GWU) graduate students who have been investigating the murder of Seth Rich, will officially release some of its findings in a report titled, The Profiling Project : Seth Rich Homicide initial findings.

Seth Rich, a staffer at the Democratic National Committee, was shot twice in the back last July and died. The Metropolitan Police Department says it was a random killing.

NEWS CONFERENCE

When: 11am ET, June 20, 2017

Where: Outside (in the courtyard) of 3100 Clarendon Blvd, Arlington, Virginia

***ADVANCE COPY OF THE REPORT AVAILABLE TODAY UNDER EMBARGO

To accredited members of the media, beginning at 6pm this evening the report will be made available for review under embargo.

To receive a copy, please email media@thepublicityagency.com. The report and its findings are embargoed until 11:05am ET, Tuesday, June 20, 2017.

For more information about The Profiling Project, please visit http://thepublicityagency.com/the-profiling-project/.

ABOUT THE PROFILING PROJECT: Located at an undisclosed location in Arlington, Virginia and funded by attorney and lobbyist Jack Burkman, “The Profiling Project” is an autonomous and independent unit investigating the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich. The Profiling Project is led by Kevin Doherty and Jennifer Rohrer, Ph.D. and is staffed by The Student Association for Forensic Psychology (SAFP) at George Washington University, an organization comprised of graduate students pursuing a Master’s in Forensic Psychology. For more information about The Profiling Project and its investigation of the Seth Rich murder, please visit http://thepublicityagency.com/the-profiling-project/.

https://www.prnewschannel.com/2017/06/1 ... -findings/

[Cordelia]

Have just scanned so far, but looks to be more in-depth and about the anatomy-of-a-murder (and not about Burkman's initial 'blame The Russians’). Report available:

https://www.scribd.com/document/3518056 ... from_embed