Who Was Seth Rich?

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Fri May 26, 2017 2:01 pm

Meantime, the warring mobs continue to ratchet up their rivalry and blow more smoke on the tragedy of Seth Rich; w/WND, Jack Burkman weighs in, bringing along a political threat to Mayor Bowser and a legal threat to Brad Bauman:

Investigator: Cops hid evidence, halted Seth Rich probe


By Liz Crokin

“The head of a private investigative team in Washington, D.C., trying to solve the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich insists that officials with the Metropolitan Police Department – in collusion with the mayor – are withholding key evidence from the public and obstructing the investigation for political purposes.

Jack Burkman, the head of the Profiling Project investigative team, said police are no longer cooperating with anyone, and he believes they’ve completely stopped the investigation into Rich’s murder.

“The police have shut down all full operations,” Burkman told WND. “The police are not cooperating with us or anyone, which is sad. This has become a very systematic and deliberate effort by the D.C. police and the mayor to end the Seth Rich investigation.”


“Burkman also claims he’s been the target of personal attacks from the Rich family spokesman, Brad Bauman, who is also a professional Democratic crisis public-relations consultant. Bauman denies that the DNC hired him to represent the Rich family.
“Bauman is attacking me, attacking me, attacking me,” Burkman said. “If he doesn’t stop, we’re going to serve him with a cease-and-desist letter or consider a suit for slander and defamation because he just won’t stop. There’s no reason for him to be calling me names. That’s not his job. He’s a spokesman for the family – we’re just trying to investigate. He wants to make this partisan.”

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/gop-lobbyist ... ich-probe/


My understanding is that orders trickle down from the (newly appointed) Chief of Police, who answers to the Mayor. If Burkman’s claim is correct, who’s the Mayor answering to? Who does Burkmkan answer to? Who (except Judicial Watch) in D.C's shark filled swamp really cares about Seth Rich or his family? :wallhead:
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Blue » Fri May 26, 2017 2:34 pm

This Jack Burkman?

Burkman was educated at Georgetown University Law Center, where he earned a law degree.[1] He is a Republican Party lobbyist.[6]

In February 2014, Burkman claimed to be working on legislation that would prohibit openly gay players in the NFL.[6]

In June 2016, Burkman held an event called "Lobbyist for Trump" and invited all major lobbyists of Washington, D.C. to help raise money for Donald Trump's presidential campaign.[7] In July 2016, Burkman helped fundraising for Free the Delegates, an anti-Trump effort to change the delegate rules for the 2016 Republican National Convention.[8]

American Decency[edit]
Burkman heads the organization American Decency, a conservative organization that claims to have 3.62 million members. The organization drew media attention when Burkman announced plans to protest the Dallas Cowboys signing of Michael Sam, stating "We cannot just stand idly by as Christian values and morals are trampled. We will do whatever we can to preserve family values in this country."[9][10][11]


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat May 27, 2017 2:45 pm

All of Seth's Reddit accounts, including those that were secret up until his death, indicate that he was a leftist and Bernie supporter and extremely disillusioned with the Democratic Party. It's funny that the research is slandered as a right-wing conspiracy (and of course there are clearly plenty of conservatives making noise about it) as if to dissuade other Sanders supporters, leftists and socialists from even looking into Rich's own written words.

Also funny that right-wingers can even stomach the contents. I guess hatred of the center-right overrides hatred of the middle-left.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Sat May 27, 2017 4:25 pm

Luther Blissett » Sat May 27, 2017 11:45 am wrote:All of Seth's Reddit accounts, including those that were secret up until his death, indicate that he was a leftist and Bernie supporter and extremely disillusioned with the Democratic Party. It's funny that the research is slandered as a right-wing conspiracy (and of course there are clearly plenty of conservatives making noise about it) as if to dissuade other Sanders supporters, leftists and socialists from even looking into Rich's own written words.

Also funny that right-wingers can even stomach the contents. I guess hatred of the center-right overrides hatred of the middle-left.


Very good points, thanks Luther. The simple fact that Seth had the means, the motive and the opportunity to leak the emails upsets a lot of apple carts, let alone the question of who would have the means, motive and opportunity to punish him for it or stop him from ever going public as a whistleblower.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Sat May 27, 2017 4:27 pm

Luther Blissett » Sat May 27, 2017 5:45 pm wrote:All of Seth's Reddit accounts, including those that were secret up until his death, indicate that he was a leftist and Bernie supporter and extremely disillusioned with the Democratic Party. It's funny that the research is slandered as a right-wing conspiracy (and of course there are clearly plenty of conservatives making noise about it) as if to dissuade other Sanders supporters, leftists and socialists from even looking into Rich's own written words.

Also funny that right-wingers can even stomach the contents. I guess hatred of the center-right overrides hatred of the middle-left.


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat May 27, 2017 8:37 pm

It's more a critique of democratic party loyalists than anything else. It's important to know who Seth was and what he believed because otherwise I'm not sure that the argument has merit as strong as it does. Look at this thread for instance. To a casual reader, it would appear fully debunked.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Sun May 28, 2017 8:58 am

Thanks Luther.

Re-enforcing the official story of a robbery where nothing (of monetary value) was stolen

DC Mayor Still Insisting Seth Rich Murdered During a Robbery


Law Enforcement, Politics

May 27, 2017

“This is a robbery that ended tragically. Any homicide in the District of Columbia gets the full attention of the Metropolitan Police Department,” Bowser’s deputy press secretary, Susana Castillo, told media in statement Friday.

“In fact, MPD has a cold case unit that focuses on solving homicides in D.C. no matter how old they are.”

http://dailywesterner.com/news/2017-05- ... a-robbery/


Well, that should be reassuring, and maybe warning that Rich's murder won’t be solved, though, if asked in 10—20--30 years, their CCU will be focused on it, along w/all their others.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby American Dream » Sun May 28, 2017 10:16 am

The evidence is strong that most of this this is yet another right-wing controlled conspiracy clusterfuck (with very obvious agenda).

Now it is beginning to blow up in their faces...


How the murder of a DNC staffer turned into a right-wing conspiracy

The story goes through nearly everyone in right-wing media: Sean Hannity, Roger Stone, Louise Mensch, Megyn Kelly, Jim Hoft, Julian Assange, and more

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...The first right-wing version of the conspiracy theory was about confirming right-wing allegations against the Clinton Foundation. On July 13, conspiracy theory website WhatDoesItMean.com (previously cited by pro-Trump media) ran a piece, sourced to the Kremlin, claiming that Rich thought he was on his way to meet with the FBI about the Clinton Foundation when a “hit team” put in place by the Clintons killed him. The article also linked the conspiracy theory with two Russian diplomats who were expelled by the United States two days before Rich’s murder, and it concluded by claiming the hit team was captured on July 12 in Washington, D.C. The actual police events of July 12 had nothing to do with any of this. On July 14, Snopes debunked this conspiracy theory.

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On July 22, WikiLeaks released 20,000 emails that had been stolen from the DNC, and Redditors immediately started guessing that Rich was the source of those emails. Heat Street, a News Corp. publication then run by Louise Mensch, ran a roundup of these rumors. In the post, Heat Street simply went through the “r/The_Donald” subreddit, listing different conspiracy theories that users had come up with, even comparing one theory to the work of mathematician John Nash and the movie A Beautiful Mind. Heat Street had also mentioned the FBI rumor in the bottom of a previous post about Rich’s murder, noting that there was no evidence to substantiate it.

The one entity that did claim to be the WikiLeaks source was Guccifer 2.0. As The New York Times explained on July 27, while American intelligence services believed Guccifer 2.0 to be a front for Russian spies, the hacker claimed to be Romanian. In the report, the Times detailed evidence linking the emails to Russia, including “metadata hidden in the early documents indicating that they were edited on a computer with Russian language settings.”

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Notorious dirty trickster Roger Stone, a contributor to Alex Jones' conspiracy theory website Infowars, and WikiLeaks began pushing the conspiracy theory in earnest in August. In an August 8 tweet, Stone included Rich in a group of four murdered people for whom he blamed the Clintons, referencing the FBI version of the conspiracy theory. A day later, WikiLeaks announced that it was offering $20,000 for information, and founder Julian Assange himself brought up Rich unprompted on a Dutch TV program, implying that Rich was a source. The host was taken aback by Assange’s suggestion and tried to push him on what he was implying, but Assange did not clarify his remark..

...Pro-Trump media jumped on the interview. Mike Cernovich immediately promoted the interview while stating point-blank that Rich was the source -- something that even Assange never said. On August 10, Hannity discussed the interview on his radio show, saying that it wasn’t the Russians who gave WikiLeaks the information. Later in the show, he discussed the matter with Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft and Townhall’s Rachel Alexander. Hoft was befuddled as to why the Rich family would not want the matter politicized, saying that it could only increase the information about the murder...

...The conspiracy theory machine would turn away from Rich for most of September and October, though during this time Hannity frequently talked with Assange on his radio show, eager for new leaks that could be damaging to Clinton. In September, Rich’s girlfriend and his family spoke with Chris Hansen of Crime Watch Daily about the case, condemning the claims. GOP lobbyist Jack Burkman also began working with the Rich family at this time, offering more than $100,000 in rewards for information. Burkman would later say that he could “rule out attempted robbery” based on his canvassing of the neighborhood.

On October 7, The Daily Beast reported that “Russia’s senior-most officials” ordered the DNC hack. On November 2, fake news purveyor DC Gazette published a post saying that WikiLeaks’ source was neither Russia nor Seth Rich, but instead dissatisfied government staffers. On December 9, The Washington Post reported on a CIA assessment that Russia was behind leaks targetting the DNC, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), and Clinton campaign manager John Podesta.

This Post story would touch off a new round of conspiracy theories about Rich, and once again they began with Louise Mensch’s Heat Street. On December 14, the site aggregated comments on Twitter saying that it was Seth Rich and not Russia that provided WikiLeaks with the emails. The piece offered no theory as to how Rich could have gotten access to DCCC or Podesta emails; indeed, it’s unclear from the story if the author even understood that there were multiple hacks, even though Mensch herself turned up in the hacked Podesta emails (which the piece did not disclose). Weeks after this post, it was announced that Mensch had left Heat Street in “mid-December.” There is no indication if Mensch was still at Heat Street when this post was published.

On December 15, Craig Murray, a “close associate” of Julian Assange, told the Daily Mail that he was a middleman for the leaks and that the handoff took place in D.C. in September. People immediately began tying Rich to Murray, even though Murray’s supposed handoff date (of which there was no evidence) took place months after Rich was murdered.

Later that day on the radio, Hannity would cite Murray’s account as evidence that Russians were not behind the hacking. Later in the program, Hannity brought up Fox contributor John Bolton’s conspiracy theory from December 12 that if something looked like it was the Russians hacking, it might actually be a false flag in which someone made it look like it was the Russians...

...The conspiracy theory came to its most public stage on May 15. That was a week after Obama intelligence chief James Clapper and former acting attorney general Sally Yates testified before the Senate partially on issues relating to Russian hacking, days after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey as a result of the Russian investigation, and hours after The Washington Post reported that Trump gave highly classified information to Russian diplomats in the Oval Office that compromised a valuable intelligence source.

On that day, Fox News contributor Rod Wheeler told Fox 5 DC, a station owned and operated by Fox News’ parent company, that he had evidence that Rich was in contact with WikiLeaks.

Sean Hannity pushed the story on his Twitter account shortly after midnight, including by quote-tweeting a vague allegedly hacked email of Podesta’s...

...The story exploded as conservatives latched onto a tale that ostensibly showed that the focus on Russia was misplaced. Drudge put the story on the top of the site. The subreddit “r/The Donald” went crazy. Pro-Trump media pushed the story hard. Fox News joined in on Tuesday morning. By 10 a.m., Hannity was lashing out at CNN's Oliver Darcy for noticing the trend....

...At one point, Infowars’ Paul Joseph Watson even claimed that the Washington Post story about Trump giving highly classified information to the Russians was a hoax intended to cover up the Rich story -- a claim based on Watson completely misreading time stamps on the stories (the Post’s went up before the Fox 5 piece did).

But soon, the Rich story fell completely apart. The Fox station admitted on May 16 that D.C. police said that Wheeler’s claim was false. Wheeler’s contact with the Rich family turned out to be frequent Fox News guest and Breitbart author Ed Butowsky. Wheeler himself admitted to CNN that he actually had no evidence. Wheeler instead claimed that his comments were reflective of the FoxNews.com piece that ran. Fox News’ piece, by Malia Zimmerman, cited Wheeler as the source of the claim.

And yet, the transparent bullshit was still enough for pro-Trump media. On May 16, echoing Benghazi conspiracy theories, Gateway Pundit claimed there was a “stand down” order given to police regarding the Rich investigation. An “alt-right” troll asked Trump himself about Rich in the White House, getting no response. Anonymous posts on 4chan linked Rich to Pizzagate, Antonin Scalia’s death, Michael Hastings’ death, and even Media Matters. An anonymous post on 8chan even suggested that Rich was illegally surveilled and then improperly unmasked by former national security adviser Susan Rice.

Lou Dobbs on Fox Business picked up the line of attack on Rich’s family that had previously begun with WikiLeaks and Infowars, saying there was “a partisan shroud” on Rich’s family...

...Later on May 16, Hannity even declared that Rich’s murder “could become one of the biggest scandals in American history”...

...Hannity then had Wheeler himself on the show. Wheeler continued pushing the conspiracy theory, even while admitting that he never had seen the evidence.

The next day, even more claims collapsed. Newsweek reported that the FBI is not investigating Rich’s death, contra Wheeler’s claims, and a family spokesperson confirmed that D.C. police found no evidence of stolen emails ever being on Rich’s laptop. Fox 5 added an editor’s note that Wheeler had backtracked from claims that he made, but it did not retract the story. The story was in shambles. The Rich family demanded full retractions from Fox 5 and Fox News.

Still, conservative media persisted.

On May 18, after Mediaite published a post highlighting people mocking Hannity, Hannity again tweeted his belief in the conspiracy...

...Hannity then discussed the case at length on his show, re-airing Assange’s Dutch TV interview and previous radio interviews.

On May 19, the Rich family sent a cease-and-desist letter to Rod Wheeler.

The Russian Embassy in the U.K. trolled everyone when it stated as a fact that Rich was WikiLeaks’ source. Meanwhile, Infowars claimed that The Washington Post was reporting on the Comey memos only as a distraction from the Rich story.

May 19 is also when Megaupload founder Kim Dotcom inserted himself into the story. Dotcom alleged that he had bombshell information on the case. As Dotcom, who lives in New Zealand, is fighting extradition to the United States to avoid trial for charges including conspiracy to commit racketeering, nearly everyone on the planet saw through the ruse, save for Sean Hannity...

...Hannity brought up the conspiracy theory again that night on his show with Jay Sekulow, apparently just for the purpose of saying that it is important because if true, it would clear Russia entirely.

Over the weekend, it got even stranger.

Stone escalated attacks on Rich’s parents, claiming on his radio show Stone Cold Truth they were engaging in “suspicious” behavior...

...Stone also told obvious lies. For instance, he claimed that Craig Murray said Rich was his source. First, Murray did not mention Rich in his comments about serving as a middleman for the emails. Second, Murray said he met his source in September, months after Rich had already been murdered. Third, nothing about what Murray actually did say is credible in the least -- there’s no evidence and nothing has been corroborated. There were other factual errors as well, though “Roger Stone says something factually incorrect” is the rule, not the exception.

“Dumbest man on the internet” Jim Hoft jumped head-first into the Dotcom conspiracy, even one-upping Hannity by picking up an anonymous 4chan poster whose only claim to knowledge is “I work in D.C.” The post claimed there’s a “panic” in D.C. over the Rich conspiracy theory that right-wing media had been pressing...

...On May 23, everything came to a head. Rich’s brother personally asked Hannity to stop pushing the conspiracy theories. Shortly thereafter, Fox News retracted its story about Rich, the one that Rod Wheeler originally cited as the basis for his story. A statement from Fox News said that the story did not meet the site’s editorial standards.

And yet after all of this, Hannity continued to push the story on his radio show...

...Newt Gingrich, after pushing the conspiracy both in August and again on May 21, suddenly said that he didn’t know anything about it, telling The Washington Post, “I don’t know anything about it. … I know exactly what has been said on the various blog sites. ... I think it is worth looking at.”

The retractions and hedging were much too little and far too late. In the bowels of pro-Trump media, Hannity had become a martyr and the Seth Rich conspiracy theory was gospel.

The enduring tragedy of the episode is that the Rich family will likely have to live with this delusion bubbling up for a very long time. Even worse, pro-Trump media will say that they are part of it.

No family deserves that.


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Nordic » Sun May 28, 2017 12:34 pm

AD you're a fucking idiot.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Sun May 28, 2017 1:55 pm

^^^
Nah, he’s just channeling Clinton from 19 years ago

AD:

The evidence is strong that most of this this is yet another right-wing controlled conspiracy..........


HC:
The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring...


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Rory » Sun May 28, 2017 4:05 pm

Yup. Seeing AD come out against something reinforces my belief of the truth behind it. Thanks, for erasing any lingering doubt
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Sun May 28, 2017 4:57 pm

Media Matters wrote:How the murder of a DNC staffer turned into a right-wing conspiracy


David Brock's (ffs) ultra-partisan Media Matters is no more objective than the right-wingers and is anything but the last word in the Seth Rich matter.

The title shows how fucked up the language is; no "theory" after "conspiracy"? Without "theory" it doesn't make sense. Of course the upshot of the whole article is nonsense because all it says is that because if right-wingers think Rich was killed for leaking DNC emails, therefore it has to be a "conspiracy theory."

The article is perfect for feeding confirmation bias if one prefers not to believe that Seth Rich leaked the emails.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Sun May 28, 2017 5:02 pm

Btw the Wikipedia page on the Murder of Seth Rich is just atrocious. I can't get into it right now but someone has proposed changing the title to "Murder of Seth Rich conspiracy theory."

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Sun May 28, 2017 7:52 pm

Where's the forensic computer evidence of DNC emails stolen by phishing or hacking? There is none. If there was, they'd publish it.

(The separate Podesta email cache was somewhat more likely obtained by phishing, at least according to the legend around it. Whoever gave those emails to WL, I thank them for it.)
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby 0_0 » Mon May 29, 2017 12:54 pm

heated discussion over on RT crosstalk:

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