What is #Pizzagate?

[JackRiddler]

@JR
Your analysis of the data is based on inaccurate assumptions, reeks of mendacity and is just flat out wrong. Seriously, if you are going to attempt to pontificate using statistics, don't parade a pisspoor piece of work, and then repeat it later. Inspect the data, please? This is confirmation bias personified, with added charts - a tedious faux "analysis" at the level of rigor from Buzzfeed windbaggery. What's next? Are you going to graduate to "50 Reasons why Trump is going to gas us!" "10 Reasons Nazis are coming for yer Mom" "20 Techniques for punching Nazis without breaking your nails!"?

Excellent example of windbaggery and projection. Ad hominem insults and adjectives delivered, no point about anything I said whatsoever, guise of pretended refutation from pretended expertise (but by someone who doesn't realize how transparently incompetent he is), with the usual unctuous posture of being so reasonable and patient, followed by off-topic false associations and distraction (e.g., the part after "What's next?").

No one else on this board is as good at attempting insults by providing descriptions of himself, and not realizing it. You do it every time. This goes well with your affinity for Trump. And no mention that it was you who brought the Google News ratings into this (in incompetent fashion, you didn't figure out how to do the chart apparently) and argued the exact opposite conclusion from what the tabular data you provided showed (because of confirmation bias, of course, but mostly because you are a moron and a fraud, or else didn't even bother to read them and figured no one would else would - numbers! boo!).

Also, I have never argued that the "Pizzagate" story, an incompetent fabrication generated from within the Alt-Right/Nazilite milieu of 4chan and Breitbart, specifically pushed the Epstein story out. That's your strawman. I merely used the comparison to show the power of how utter bullshit that fits the Alt-Right/Nazilite talking points can gain a lot more attention than actual documented stories (especially if the documented stories involve Donald J. Trump as the Epstein matter does, along with Bill Clinton).

I can tell you really don't like the Alt-Right/Nazilite term, although that is exactly where this particular (and very clumsy) fabrication originated, and your argument for it amounts to the idea that it must be true because you can't find any evidence for it. But as you show, you can construct scenarios in which there would not have been evidence, therefore it merits consideration because someone invented the story, so there must have been a reason. Thus while there is no evidence here for "Pizzagate" there is some that you are a troll dispensing talking points from the Alt-Right/Nazilite milieu (and not merely what you portray, a naive moron failing in the attempt to appear intellectual).

But nah, despite the half-chewed adoption of Alt-Right/Nazilite vocabulary ("SJWs," "virtue signalling," etc.) your thing is a lot more the drunk grandpa's reactionary grumbling about the imagined "liberals." (Associate ideas you don't like and do not understand with celebrities you don't like that the media told you are representative of the ideas you don't like.) What are you, 60, 70? I will be soon enough, but I hope will continue to be flexible and nimble. You're an inspiration that way -- no one wants to end up like you, thinking they're talking about politics by parroting Drudge memes about Madonna or whoever. Here's the thing, boss: The New York Post front page is still seen by millions of people involuntarily in city bodegas, every day. Why do you think it matters that you are repeating this kind of Murdochian bullshit in New Age guise here?

Thus you have succeeded in one thing -- wasted my time answering your shameless smearing and bad-actor logic, which is a game that never ends; the lie always being easy for a man of low character, little wit and no scruple to deliver, the correction always requiring too much work and anyway too much nuance for the offending miscreant or his fellow travelers to understand. All I've done here is given you more text you will have no trouble misrepresenting, since you do not actually comprehend a word of it. (Though you admittedly are brilliant at reading the secret code of the illuminati when they order Italian food.) As a believer in free speech, even by liars and stupid people, I think you should go practice it in the gutter of 4chan or the Youtube comments section, or by setting up a LaRouche table at a mall. I hope R.I. will not be a place for you to perform this shit for very much longer.

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[JackRiddler]

Any survivors, victims, or parents whose took their children out for pizza one day and lost them yet? No?

One thing I keep forgetting, because the McCann sketches were compelling to me, is that they were both made for one suspect, to show two different weight variations of the same perp. That's why they look like brothers, because Tony is a heavier version of John.

Thanks for maintaining the focus.

[barracuda]

I'm sitting here considering recent revelations regarding Milo's hebephilial tendencies as more evidence of his complicity in the viral spread of zah-gate.

As if I needed more.

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[Cordelia]

A reminder (again) that The Finders were based in Washington, w/other locations in surrounding communities. Their bust, 30 years ago, was only because they were found out and the press picked it up. The case was suddenly dropped and forgotten like it never happened, but it did; I remember it well. Who were their children, and why doubt that there are now, existing in and around Washington, other, more sophisticated groups that traffic children?

An excerpt from Ramon J. Martinez, Special Agent, United States Customs Service, memos quoted in Dave McGowan's June 2000 expose:

'"During the execution of the warrant at 3918/20 W St., I was able to observe and access the entire building ... There were several subjects on the premises. Only one was deemed to be connected with the Finders. [He] was located in a room equipped with several computers, printers, and numerous documents. Cursory examination of the documents revealed detailed instructions for obtaining children for unspecified purposes. The instructions included the impregnation of female members of the community known as the Finders, purchasing children, trading, and kidnapping. There were telex messages using MCI account numbers between a computer terminal believed to be located in the same room, and others located across the country and in foreign locations. One such telex specifically ordered the purchase of two children in Hong Kong to be be arranged through a contact in the Chinese Embassy there......"

http://www.whale.to/b/mcgowan2.html

[Wombaticus Rex]

Some interesting background on Mr. Martinez: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/User_talk:P ... rs_article

Most of the salacious material re: Finders stems from his testimony alone, so the context matters.

Pettie was a very strange guy running a very strange operation, for sure.

DeepPoliticsForum has an interesting thread, too: https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sh ... KtDJG8rLIU

[JackRiddler]

A reminder (again) that The Finders were based in Washington, w/other locations in surrounding communities. Their bust, 30 years ago, was only because they were found out and the press picked it up. The case was suddenly dropped and forgotten like it never happened, but it did; I remember it well. Who were their children, and why doubt that there are now, existing in and around Washington, other, more sophisticated groups that traffic children?

An informed piece of speculation but provides absolutely no basis for the "pizzagate" big-lie generated by the Alt-Right/Nazilite scene so as to selectively target Democrats with a child abuse smear (and avoiding the Epstein story or anything else that includes Trump). You can't just pick up the Washington phone book and decide whatever name you find is this possible successor organization to the Finders (I'm not saying that is your methodology, it's the methodology of "pizzagate," except they're not using the phone book but decided to punch some Democrats, liberals, and performance artists).

Normally I complain about thread proliferation but here we see the "Pizzagate" thread absorbing completely unrelated stuff -- as WR noted above, it will just keep swallowing all this old and unrelated news. In the process, it will also serve to discredit real stories by association. Not just stories about child abuse, but also stories about the Podesta e-mails. Any mention of this valuable source of information is now tainted by association with the fantastic lie fabricated from within the Alt-Right/Nazilite scene. That means the actually interesting stuff in the Podesta and DNC mails (about the DNC and Clinton campaign rigging and cheating against Sanders) is also tainted and obscured. This is confusionism -- logic and evidence replaced by impressionistic, slanted associations, connections by insinuations, paradigms by partisan fantasy. It destroys any chance of truth and leaves only whoever is most powerful in charge of any given situation -- the boot stamping on the face, as it were. Confusionism serves power. Confuisonism serves establishments, such as the U.S. capitalist-neoliberal establishment to which Trump and the Clintons belong equally.

This of course is exactly what the paid FBI informant and pedophile network member Searcher08 intends.* Please don't contribute to that.

* - I have no evidence whatsoever for making or even conceiving the assertion in the italicized sentence. Of course, if the accusation were true, I would also have no evidence of it, since I have no access to the mind or computer or even the identity of the Searcher08 entity. Therefore, applying the logic advocated by the Searcher08 entity above, my baseless assertion merits serious consideration, given the complete lack of evidence. It is highly irresponsible and close-minded of people to dismiss it and to make fun of the means by which it was divined.

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[Wombaticus Rex]

In future, though, confine your self-amusement to pastimes that don't violate one of the few surviving rules of the venue.

Otherwise, I'm going to out you.

[JackRiddler]

In future, though, confine your self-amusement to pastimes that don't violate one of the few surviving rules of the venue.

What's the violation? I think the satire's obvious enough to you, to me, probably to everyone here but Nordic.

So that's the only rule left? I do wish you'd enforce the rule about mouthpieces for fascism, witting or otherwise.

Otherwise, I'm going to out you.

You're going to identify me as the True Jeff Wells? Uh oh!

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[Wombaticus Rex]

I do wish you'd enforce the rule about mouthpieces for fascism, witting or otherwise.

I know it's a controversial stance, but I think American Dream provides a lot of valuable content here, even if he won't engage in much "Discussion" here in our humble Forum.

Edit: If you're even half-serious, take it to the Moderation Thread because I'm curious what you could even mean at this point in the culture wars.

[JackRiddler]

I do wish you'd enforce the rule about mouthpieces for fascism, witting or otherwise.

I know it's a controversial stance, but I think American Dream provides a lot of valuable content here, even if he won't engage in much "Discussion" here in our humble Forum.

Edit: If you're even half-serious, take it to the Moderation Thread because I'm curious what you could even mean at this point in the culture wars.

I am talking about ideological fascism, and not fascism by false analogies or comparisons of attributed methods. I don't buy the "culture wars" narrative. This is a right-wing or "conservative" ideological construct that obscures the continuing power of racism, Christofanaticism and patriarchal reaction in this country. It makes false equivalencies with often invented excesses of things identified as leftist -- or more often portrays its "PC" construct as somehow worse than the white nationalism and explicit misogyny currently propagated by the Trump regime and this president's closest advisors and most committed online supporters. "Pizzagate" is also a construct in this never-ending propaganda offensive. I keep returning to the relative attention harvested by this invention, compared to the actually known and established realities of Epstein's activities and associations, because nothing more clearly demonstrates how the baseless fabrications of "pizzagate" function to selectively demonize Democrats (as if being neoliberal and imperialist tools was not demon enough) and "liberals," a lot like "Benghazi" but without even an actual event to misrepresent (which makes it more powerful, paradoxically enough). PG originated in a milieu that is, again, not fascist by analogy, but ideologically fascist (if the term is to mean anything at all any more: white supremacy and Christotheocracy qualify, some troll's idea of how the dangerous Berkeley students are actually worse because they don't want a platform for fascists do not).

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[Wombaticus Rex]

I don't buy the "culture wars" narrative.

That's quaint. I'm living it every day.

[brekin]

Such strange times.

A comparison of Sandy Hook and Pizza Gate I think should prove interesting.
I don't have the bandwidth, but it would be interesting to see the crossover in demographics who believe both, one, or none.

1. For, in Sandy Hook you have actual children killed who are believed to never have lived or are crisis actors and the event never happened for believers.
2. And in Pizza Gate you have no actual children connected to the supposed alluded to crimes but the events definitely happened for believers.

Why is the benefit of doubt not extended in the first instance but hugely over-extended in the second?
The first would require a Truman Show level of orchestration and collusion with numerous agencies, institutions, families (basically the whole town) and media.
The second would require taking on faith everything said by an anonymous poster supposedly an FBI insider posting on 4Chan.

[JackRiddler]

I don't buy the "culture wars" narrative.

That's quaint. I'm living it every day.

I don't mean that the narrative doesn't exist. I'm living it too. I mean I don't buy the narrative.

[JackRiddler]

Such strange times.

A comparison of Sandy Hook and Pizza Gate I think should prove interesting.
I don't have the bandwidth, but it would be interesting to see the crossover in demographics who believe both, one, or none.

1. For, in Sandy Hook you have actual children killed who are believed to never have lived or are crisis actors and the event never happened for believers.
2. And in Pizza Gate you have no actual children connected to the supposed alluded to crimes but the events definitely happened for believers.

Why is the benefit of doubt not extended in the first instance but hugely over-extended in the second?
The first would require a Truman Show level of orchestration and collusion with numerous agencies, institutions, families (basically the whole town) and media.
The second would require taking on faith everything said by an anonymous poster supposedly an FBI insider posting on 4Chan.

This too, and judging by the sampling on R.I. there is no doubt of an overlap between those who believe both. On R.I., in fact, with maybe one exception, I don't think I've seen anyone post that they believe (or are "considering") #1 who has not also expressed belief in #2. You'd think they belonged to a common right-wing agenda of confusionism to engender post-truth conditions in which only power counts. Except this agenda interestingly negates all terms to the point that most of its adherents do not recognize their adherence to it, let alone allow terms like right or left. What happened to your old fashioned "conservatives" (in the current American sense of the term) with spine enough to recognize their politics are conservative? (Those are just words the globalists use to divide "us"! Oh no!)

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[brekin]

Such strange times.

A comparison of Sandy Hook and Pizza Gate I think should prove interesting.
I don't have the bandwidth, but it would be interesting to see the crossover in demographics who believe both, one, or none.

1. For, in Sandy Hook you have actual children killed who are believed to never have lived or are crisis actors and the event never happened for believers.
2. And in Pizza Gate you have no actual children connected to the supposed alluded to crimes but the events definitely happened for believers.

Why is the benefit of doubt not extended in the first instance but hugely over-extended in the second?
The first would require a Truman Show level of orchestration and collusion with numerous agencies, institutions, families (basically the whole town) and media.
The second would require taking on faith everything said by an anonymous poster supposedly an FBI insider posting on 4Chan.

This too, and judging by the sampling on R.I. there is no doubt of an overlap between those who believe both. On R.I., in fact, with maybe one exception, I don't think I've seen anyone post that they believe (or are "considering") #1 who has not also expressed belief in #2. You'd think they belonged to a common right-wing agenda of confusionism to engender post-truth conditions in which only power counts. Except this agenda interestingly negates all terms to the point that most of its adherents do not recognize their adherence to it, let alone allow terms like right or left. What happened to your old fashioned "conservatives" (in the current American sense of the term) with spine enough to recognize their politics are conservative? (Those are just words the globalists use to divide "us"! Oh no!)
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A shot in the dark. Seems there is a segment of the population that wants/needs to believe simplistic and outlandish conspiracy stories to constantly reinforce their belief system. More and more people in the establishment have to be noticing these theories aren't going away, or getting any smarter. So why not just tack on narratives that work against their opponents or coopt and reverse engineer theories with some validity for their own agendas? If people choose to eat dog food with gusto, might as well put your ads on the cans.