What is #Pizzagate?

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

What is #Pizzagate?

Right-Wing Hysteria/Hillary-Smear-Campaign
18
24%
Psy-Op to Discredit & Distract from Actual High-Level Pedophilia
16
22%
An Orchestrated Exposé to Destabilize Power Structures
4
5%
A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC
19
26%
Evidence that Comet Ping Pong is a Money-Laundering Front for Child-Porn/Trafficking Business
4
5%
Evidence that Comet Ping Pong is both a Front & a Location for Child Abuse, Ritual or Otherwise
2
3%
All of the Above
5
7%
Other (Specify)
6
8%
 
Total votes : 74

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Grizzly » Thu May 31, 2018 2:26 pm

https://soundcloud.com/guns-and-butter-1/americas-traffic-in-child-pornography-lori-handrahan-381
Dr. Lori Handrahan discusses her research into rampant pedophilia that her new book, "Epidemic: America’s Trade in Child Rape", documents in detail. She analyzes pedophilia, not as a sexual orientation, or as an act of “attraction” to children, but as violent abuse and sadism, often ending in death, that meets the Convention Against Torture definition. Discussed is the lack of comprehensive data collection on arrests of pedophiles in a fast growing crime wave about which little is known; the easy profit-model of child rape; online networks; the proliferation of servers, websites, pictures and videos; the traffic in infants and toddlers; professions that act as magnets for pedophiles; attempts to define pedophilia as a disability rather than a violent crime; the massive amount of child porn on computers in all government agencies; the powerful as perpetrators.

Originally Aired: January 31, 2018
Visit Guns and Butter at: http://www.gunsandbutter.org


Interesting the the lead in the poll is 'A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC' at 28% ...
the above doesn't go into human trafficking in DC per say, but gives one a needed insight into our culture of death power and deviant sex.
“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

― Joseph mengele
User avatar
Grizzly
 
Posts: 4722
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:15 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Jerky » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:28 pm

User avatar
Jerky
 
Posts: 2240
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:28 pm
Location: Toronto, ON
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Jerky » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:31 pm

And....

http://www.saveservices.org/2013/01/ser ... niversity/

I don't know how much credence you want to put in this lady's book, Griz...
User avatar
Jerky
 
Posts: 2240
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:28 pm
Location: Toronto, ON
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Grizzly » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:04 pm

Interesting. So are you saying her work isn't worth listening to ol' pal J?
“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

― Joseph mengele
User avatar
Grizzly
 
Posts: 4722
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:15 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Jerky » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:05 pm

Considering the circumstances and the individual's obvious personal investiture and (I would say) lifelong unhealthy obsessions, I'd have to guess that she might not be among the best sources for information (especially TRUE information) regarding the topic at hand.
User avatar
Jerky
 
Posts: 2240
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:28 pm
Location: Toronto, ON
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:19 pm

bumping

I am finding something very odd in the resonance between the current neo-genocidal immigration crisis and the apparent pizza pizza psycho-fictions of the Trump set who support the former. Children in jails, trafficking, flight logs, moral crisis, mass media passion plays, etc.

The same group who promoted #pizzagate now appear to staunchly defend the actual systematic abuse of kids. Has anyone else noticed this? Thoughts?
"It's not rocket surgery." - Elvis
User avatar
liminalOyster
 
Posts: 1873
Joined: Thu May 05, 2016 10:28 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:30 pm

Firstly, what could be more "hooking" than child abuse? So many of us must resonate to ideas of child trauma that Pizzagate etc. make for devilishly powerful psyops against us.

Secondly, the power to disbelieve, i.e. to dissociate is easy enough when you're constantly fed on the premise of discounting wholesale content from the bourgeois media, not to mention the demonization of migrants and refugees, poc, latinos, "foreigners" etc. without any particular emphasis on internationalism, solidarity generally etc.

It would not be surprising to me at all if there were significant linkages between the Alt Right milieu and institutionally empowered experts in (black) psychological operations.



liminalOyster » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:19 pm wrote:bumping

I am finding something very odd in the resonance between the current neo-genocidal immigration crisis and the apparent pizza pizza psycho-fictions of the Trump set who support the former. Children in jails, trafficking, flight logs, moral crisis, mass media passion plays, etc.

The same group who promoted #pizzagate now appear to staunchly defend the actual systematic abuse of kids. Has anyone else noticed this? Thoughts?
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:45 pm

Screen Shot 2018-06-20 at 3.42.15 pm.png


I agree with most of what you've said AD except that I don't follow why you seem to think the so-called alt-right is any less likely to, itself, be part of a psy-op (term used somewhat regrettably for lack of alternative.)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
"It's not rocket surgery." - Elvis
User avatar
liminalOyster
 
Posts: 1873
Joined: Thu May 05, 2016 10:28 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby American Dream » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:57 pm

All of the above, though I was thinking of the "leaders", where many must be intentional perps...
American Dream
 
Posts: 19946
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:56 pm
Location: Planet Earth
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Harvey » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:08 pm

From a sufficiently distant perspective one might ask: why make the assumption that pizzagate, whatever it is or is not, and the flow of undocumented children into the USA, their detention and disappearance into 'the system' (begun under Bill Clinton, continued and escalated under all subsequent administrations) are separate phenomena?

Edited for punctuation and repetition.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


Eden Ahbez
User avatar
Harvey
 
Posts: 4165
Joined: Mon May 09, 2011 4:49 am
Blog: View Blog (20)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Jun 20, 2018 10:18 pm

Harvey » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:08 pm wrote: why make the assumption that pizzagate ... and the flow of undocumented children into the USA, their detention and disappearance into 'the system' ... are separate phenomena?


Well they are clearly psychologically related, IMO.

But there are real children sitting in jail at the border as we speak and their very existence is not in question. To me, It seems inevitable to juxtapose that reality with the fiction of child prisoners in the basement of a hipster pizzeria.
"It's not rocket surgery." - Elvis
User avatar
liminalOyster
 
Posts: 1873
Joined: Thu May 05, 2016 10:28 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed Jun 20, 2018 11:15 pm

Like I mentioned before, the primary standout factor of pizzagate that makes otherwise serious researchers of organized abuse ignore it is that it did not come to us from survivor accounts.

By comparison, we have so many accounts from these families that amongst our own myriad ICE threads we have one called “ICE STORIES.”

To imagine that the families of the thousands of kids trafficked through the pizza parlor basement would just be cool with it and KEEP QUIET about it even AFTER the story memifies is pretty wild.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
User avatar
Luther Blissett
 
Posts: 4990
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:31 pm
Location: Philadelphia
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Jerky » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:47 am

One could call it the most disgusting case of psychological projection in modern (post-Cold War) American history.

Jerky

liminalOyster » 20 Jun 2018 19:19 wrote:bumping

I am finding something very odd in the resonance between the current neo-genocidal immigration crisis and the apparent pizza pizza psycho-fictions of the Trump set who support the former. Children in jails, trafficking, flight logs, moral crisis, mass media passion plays, etc.

The same group who promoted #pizzagate now appear to staunchly defend the actual systematic abuse of kids. Has anyone else noticed this? Thoughts?
User avatar
Jerky
 
Posts: 2240
Joined: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:28 pm
Location: Toronto, ON
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:50 am

Emma Best Wikileaks DMs dump, section on Podesta and #spiritcooking, etc

[2016-11-04 14:34:23] <LibertarianLibrarian> That whole thing is totally bizarre. Then again, anything the Clinton’s and their cronies are into wouldn’t surprise me too much.

[2016-11-04 14:37:27] <Emmy B> If writers of articles are Trump supporters it makes sense to put a lot more in the story to put off Christian voters against Podesta. There is real deep fear for satan/occult practices (I am given talismans every time I go to Greece for perceived protection of me and the kids from the evil eye/satan and all sorts) among Christians as this is a major pre-occupation of organised religion.

[2016-11-04 14:48:36] <Emmy B> let’s not forget the origin of the term ‘witch hunt’

[2016-11-04 14:50:52] <M> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/snopes/status/794657572754247684

[2016-11-04 14:50:58] <Emmy B> when I say the fear is real, I will also put some context, early Christians were accused of drinking blood and practising cannibalism etc (holy communion misunderstood)

[2016-11-04 14:52:40] <Emmy B> it is a can of worms as well as the stuff of comic strips

[2016-11-04 14:53:19] <M> Right. The term comes from persecuting people based on ridiculous notions. So the hypothesis that Podesta participated in Satanic rituals should not be pushed because it distracts from his actual corrupt practices.

[2016-11-04 14:58:50] <Emmy B> I am not saying that Podesta did anything like that. Still, the fear is real among Christian communities since, let’s face it, organised religion has a lot of rituals that are controlled by priests but if they are performed by lay people, it is taboo, shocking. I am not familiar with the artist in question but the theme plays to the darkest fears and instincts of people.

[2016-11-04 14:59:52] <LibertarianLibrarian> It’s certainly not as important as the obvious corruption, but it symbolic of the attitude of these people who think they can do anything and get away with it. In that sense, only, it’s worth noting.

[2016-11-04 15:10:25] <Emmy B> PS in Greece, very much dominated by a Christian culture there are often scandals about satanists or occult practices, and people tremble. There is belief in the ‘evil eye’, reading the future in coffee cups, and sometimes one wonders where religion ends and magic begins as it gets blurry. but in a set beliefs which accepts miracles and supernatural power like Christian communities do, there is also a recognition that evil powers exist represented by Satan, at a mild modern context the yin and yang but for organised church as well as people who believe, this is real. In our modern world we demand rationality above all in public office rather any sort of mumbo-jumbo although let’s not forget her ‘majesty the queen’ is also head of the church of England :-p for Podesta this story is bad news.

[2016-11-04 15:14:00] <M> Another of the emails confirms that John Podesta didn’t go https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/25325

[2016-11-04 15:19:34] <Emmy B> true, but ‘Marina missed you’ implies familiarity ie they might know each other quite well. (the truth is if one wants to interpret the matter in a certain way they will)

[2016-11-04 15:22:01] <M> More here. It’s just a stupid lead to chase. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ?tid=sm_tw

[2016-11-04 15:23:07] <Emmy B> The worst things will be if he is forced to make a statement on the matter, then whatever he says will feed into the circle of gossip, it is the taboo aspect of the matter which is simply toxic. He may be dropped from the dinner list of many a Christian believe me, quietly.

[2016-11-04 15:34:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> Can’t say I feel sorry for him.

[2016-11-04 15:43:57] <WISE Up Action> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/794642764713562113

[2016-11-04 15:48:49] <WikiLeaks> “Marina missed you” and “at the appartment” implies something rather close.

[2016-11-04 15:50:06] <WikiLeaks> A lot of US east coast elite play with esotericism as a status signal to other elites. Like having a psychiatrist was a status signal.

[2016-11-04 15:50:40] <WikiLeaks> He UFOism may be that project or is perhaps being done for electoral reasons.

[2016-11-04 15:53:18] <M> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/LifeZette/status/794638355178934272 But why not say that instead of promoting misleading & false stories like this?

[2016-11-04 15:53:46] <WikiLeaks> [Card-summary_large_image] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ?tid=sm_tw

[2016-11-04 15:55:48] <WikiLeaks> Lobster risotto?

[2016-11-04 16:17:30] <M> How about: “Podesta sacrificed his lobster risotto to Satan — and you can, too!” That’s a headline everyone can enjoy.

[2016-11-04 16:22:25] <LibertarianLibrarian> LOL

[2016-11-04 16:27:06] <WikiLeaks> Haha.

"It's not rocket surgery." - Elvis
User avatar
liminalOyster
 
Posts: 1873
Joined: Thu May 05, 2016 10:28 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby liminalOyster » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:20 pm

Fire at Comet Ping Pong was intentionally set, fire and police officials say
Comet Ping Pong in Northwest Washington, shown in December 2016. (Jose Luis Magana/AP)
By Peter Hermann January 25 at 7:40 PM

A small fire that burned curtains and forced the evacuation of the Comet Ping Pong pizza shop Wednesday night in Northwest Washington was intentionally set, according to D.C. police and fire officials.

A police report says investigators found several burned matches on the floor under where the curtain had hung in a backroom. The report says they also found a box of matches and an open, partially full plastic bottle of lighter fluid on a table.

The report says the curtains were destroyed in the fire, which was extinguished by staff members.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives on Friday evening released a photo of a man they are seeking to question in the incident. Federal authorities described him as a white man between 25 and 30 years-old, who has blonde hair, a mustache and beard and wore a blue and white varsity-style jacket and blue jeans.

No one was injured in the fire, which occurred shortly before 9:30 p.m. at the restaurant in the 5000 block of Connecticut Avenue NW. The popular shop in the Chevy Chase neighborhood combines pizza with ping-pong tables.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms released a surveillance photo of a man they want to question for an investigation of a fire at Comet Pizza in Northwest Washington. (ATF)

Authorities said there is no initial indication that the fire is linked to the incident in 2016 when Comet Ping Pong was targeted by a North Carolina man who showed up there with a fully loaded AR-15 military-style rifle and a revolver seeking to investigate a viral Internet rumor known as “Pizzagate.”

The man, Edgar Maddison Welch, was investigating a false conspiracy theory that linked Hillary Clinton to an alleged child-sex-trafficking ring and asserted that child victims were being held in tunnels under the restaurant. Welch pleaded guilty to assault and a federal firearms charge in 2017 and was sentenced to four years in prison.

Comet’s owner, James Alefantis, said he has no reason to believe the fire is linked to what happened in 2016, an event that thrust him and his neighborhood shop into the national discussion over the dangers posed by the widely circulated false stories.

“That was years ago,” Alefantis said Friday.

D.C. police said that about two hours before the fire, a restaurant employee reported receiving several prank calls from a woman. A police report did not detail what the woman had said.

Alefantis said that the restaurant routinely gets crank calls and that the policy is to report all of them to police.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html
"It's not rocket surgery." - Elvis
User avatar
liminalOyster
 
Posts: 1873
Joined: Thu May 05, 2016 10:28 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 53 guests