What is #Pizzagate?

[liminalOyster]

If this has been posted already, I apologize. Anyway, I found this at Deep Politics Forum. The Twitter video in the second link is so disturbing I couldn't click on the last link because I suppose it's more of the same. Many people think it's John Podesta screaming at /hitting a child.

[Wombaticus Rex]

David Seaman was pushing UFO disclosure before he latched onto Pizzagate.

He's just another drama queen, we've seen this personality type over and over and over and over and, well, yeah.

That DPF stuff is a nothingburger. "Disturbing" ain't evidence. Nor is it a rare commodity online.

[brekin]

oh yea she was on Dr. Phil yesterday ...didn't say anything about pizza gate

she is a real survivor

What do you make of her decision to go to Dr Phil?

I'm not really in the business of doubting people who would put themselves out there as survivors.
I am in the business of questioning neo-nazis who are scared of art and invent scandals out of whole cloth, discrediting real survivors and actual research into stopping real pedophile rings.

Sorry if it came across otherwise - I am most definitely not in said business either. But I'm not sure what to make of the decision to go to said venue.

If you guys would just print business cards there wouldn't be all this confusion about what business you're in.

BRING .... IT.... ON

FBI’S RUSSIA PROBE EXPANDS TO INCLUDE ‘PIZZAGATE’ THREATS
BY JEFF STEIN ON 3/22/17 AT 8:13 PM
What Is Pizzagate? The Fake News Scandal Explained
U.S.PIZZAGATEDONALD TRUMP
The FBI’s widening investigation into Russian subversion is now looking into continuing threats against a Washington, D.C. pizza shop targeted by right-wing conspiracy mongers.

Comet Ping Pong Pizza, a popular, family-oriented shop in an upscale northwest Washington, D.C. neighborhood, came under relentless online attack last year because of its owner’s friendship with senior members of the Hillary Clinton campaign as well as David Brock, founder of Media Matters for America, a website that tracks press coverage critical of the Clintons.
The perpetrators of the harassment alleged—without any evidence—that Comet pizza owner James Alefantis and the Clintons were operating a child-sex ring in the restaurant’s basement. Last December the flood of tweets, supercharged by anonymous online “bots,” motivated a 28-year-old North Carolina man, Edgar Madison Welch, to enter the shop with a loaded automatic rifle and fire off three rounds in search of the nonexistent basement sex chamber. Welch reached a plea deal on March 15 and is scheduled to appear in court Friday for sentencing.
According to McClatchy News, the FBI’s Russian-influence probe agents are exploring whether far-right news operations, including the pro-Donald Trump sites Breitbart News and Infowars, “took any actions to assist Russia’s operatives.” Trump’s ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn and his son, a member of the Trump transition team, were among those who boosted the so-called “PizzaGate” pedophile conspiracy theory.

Related: PizzaGate Resurfaces an Old Anti-Semitic Slander

As part of that probe, FBI agents on Monday interviewed a neighborhood friend of Alefantis. Newsweek is withholding the woman’s identity at her request. She told the agents that her mother had received a threatening call about her grandson Monday night, following the House intelligence committee’s daylong televised hearing on Russian interference in the 2016 elections and connections between unnamed Trump associates and the Kremlin.
“It was horrifying,” the woman said of the anonymous telephone call, in which a man relayed private details about her son. “It was an escalation” of the PizzaGate campaign, she said. “Someone’s spending time and money to harass me.”

The FBI did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
One of the principal proselytizers of the PizzaGate conspiracy appears to be David Seaman, a one-time unpaid Huffington Post contributor and author of Dirty Little Secrets of Buzz: How to Attract Massive Attention for Your Business, Your Product, or Yourself. Seaman's personal YouTube channel has been viewed over 6 million times since October 2016, when he began writing about PizzaGate.
According to one account, he is also "the founder of Shutterline Interactive, a vehicle for rapidly deploying publicity stunts.” In a 2008 YouTube interview to publicize his book, Seaman said, “I would protest gravity if I thought it was going to get me buzz.”
In an online March 3 video, he talked about his “Journey from HuffPo to PizzaGate.”
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He and others are calling for a “March on Comet Pizza” on Saturday, March 25.
“If you don't know who David Seaman is, he's the self-appointed head spokesman of the Pizzagate movement,” according to another account on Reddit. “If you are a pizzagater, this association should make you very nervous, because David Seaman is a mentally unstable con man.”
He could not be reached for comment.
http://www.newsweek.com/pizzagate-trump ... man-572578

Finally, someone is going to...

I'm just going to say it, I think there is a very good possibility that the PG was initiated by the FSB (KGB).
Ok, settle down for a minute. Open your med kids, take a chill pill and now cogitate.

First, it would take some time to sift Podesta's emails and create the kooky decoder ring of "code words" and then fit it to the narrative and locales.
1. I don't see someone doing that unless they got paid to do it.
2. And having the time to do so before the election unless they were in on the initial hack.
3. Third, PG is pretty crude. It has the feel of a very smart outsider dabbling in things that they know but don't really know. I mean there are existing narratives going back decades that could have been grafted and coopted that already have legs, but PG feels like a template to destabilize a countries political structure (the belgian politco abuse ring allegations come to mind as a possible real incident used then as a template for PG) from the outside.
4.The later tying in of previous material feels ad hoc, retrospective and amateurish. Most good conspiracies build on what has come before to link the narrative to a coherent development. This is more like in High School that international exchange kid's brilliant but completely flawed presentation on American Rock & Roll.
5. Of course, not to say such events don't exist, but PG is also fishy because it is pretty partisan. Real examples would not be so partisan, I would imagine, because matrices of real power that intersect and overlap the parties in D.C. couldn't be so one party (because the other party would use it as dynamite to bring them to their knees).
6. If it was US intelligence based, then they would probably just expose, craft or fabricate such a scenario with real or more plausibility. If you are going to create such a conspiracy, why not really create it if you have the power? PG seems like someone with reach but not depth.

The latest indictment of FSB agents involved in the hack of Yahoo just makes me believe that it probably was FSB gathered, hatched and disseminated, at least in the early stages.

DOJ: 2 Russian spies indicted in Yahoo hack
By Pamela Brown, Scott Glover and Mary Kay Mallonee, CNN
Updated 12:30 PM ET, Wed March 15, 2017

Washington (CNN)The Department of Justice announced Wednesday that four people -- including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) -- have been indicted in connection to a massive hack of Yahoo information.
The hack, which the DOJ said was initiated in January 2014, affected at least 500 million Yahoo accounts. Some of the stolen information was used to "obtain unauthorized access to the contents of accounts at Yahoo, Google and other webmail providers, including accounts of Russian journalists, US and Russian government officials and private-sector employees of financial, transportation and other companies," the DOJ said in a statement.
The officers of the FSB -- Russia's successor to the Soviet Union's KGB -- were identified as Igor Anatolyevich Sushchin, 43, and Dmitry Aleksandrovich Dokuchaev, 33. The two allegedly conspired with Russian national Alexsey Alexseyevich Belan, aka "Magg," 29, and Karim Baratov, aka "Kay," "Karim Taloverov" and "Karim Akehmet Tokbergenov," 22, who is a resident of Canada.

Dokuchaev was arrested in a Russian sweep in December and accused of spying for the US.
"The criminal conduct at issue -- carried out and otherwise facilitated by officers from an FSB unit that serves as the FBI's point of contact in Moscow on cybercrime matters -- is beyond the pale," acting Assistant Attorney General Mary McCord said at a news conference in Washington.
Hackers stole data that included names, email addresses and passwords -- but not financial information, according to Yahoo's announcement regarding the breaches.
Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer publicly thanked US authorities Wednesday, saying she was "very grateful" to the FBI and DOJ.
The San Francisco FBI office has scheduled a news conference for later Wednesday afternoon on undisclosed topics.
Yahoo has been breached at least twice, and the company previously said a September 2014 breach was state-sponsored but declined to identify who it believed was responsible.
The announcement of another cyberintrusion by Russian hackers comes at a time of delicate relations between the US and Russia.
The Yahoo hack is the latest cyberattack that US authorities have blamed on Russia, a nation with which President Donald Trump's new administration has sought to foster warmer relations.
Previous attacks US authorities have said Russian hackers perpetrated exposed the emails of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, John Podesta, and the internal workings of the Democratic National Committee.
This story has been updated to reflect new developments.

[seemslikeadream]

we've hit the trifecta today

Alex Jones

Jeffrey Epstein

and this



or this I can't decide

http://www.breitbart.com/

[Nordic]

This place is starting to make Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite.

[Elvis]

If this has been posted already, I apologize. Anyway, I found this at Deep Politics Forum. The Twitter video in the second link is so disturbing I couldn't click on the last link because I suppose it's more of the same. Many people think it's John Podesta screaming at /hitting a child.

Thanks. This is why "Pizzagate" is a huge Fail. The arm-waving never ends, and here we have a plain hoax. Is someone being paid to fly that stuff on DPF?

"Pizzagate" needs to die and be completely disassociated from all genuine efforts to expose high-level child sex abuse.

[norton ash]

This place is starting to make Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite.

Yeah, we're the irrational ones for mocking this clusterfuck.

[seemslikeadream]

Walter Cronkite was under FBI investigation?

[brekin]

This place is starting to make Alex Jones look like Walter Cronkite.

Yeah, we're the irrational ones for mocking this clusterfuck.

Pardon, yee smug quippers, but what is your take on PG again?

[Cordelia]

Pardon, yee smug quippers, but what is your take on PG again?

That it's rated X.

[liminalOyster]

Seaman is ridiculous: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... agate.html

Also:

'Pizzagate' gunman pleads guilty as conspiracy theorist apologizes over case

Edgar Maddison Welch, 28, made a deal with prosecutors to plead guilty to two charges, assault with a dangerous weapon and interstate transport of a firearm, in exchange for prosecutors dropping a third charge that carried a five-year minimum sentence.

In early December last year, Welch drove from his home in North Carolina to the Comet Ping Pong restaurant, which he had heard was the center of a sprawling, plot involving the occult, child sex slaves and Democratic leaders such as John Podesta, chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

Welch later told police he wanted to “self-investigate” the fictitious online rumors, which began after Podesta’s hacked emails, released by WikiLeaks, showed he had considered a possible fundraiser with the pizzeria’s owner.

Those emails transformed into a conspiracy about child abuse on the anonymous message board 4chan, seeped out on to forums like Reddit and Facebook, and were amplified by spurious websites such as InfoWars, which is run by Alex Jones, a prominent conspiracy theorist who has interviewed Donald Trump.

The false story crept into the president’s circle last December. Michael G Flynn, who was on Trump’s transition team with his father, the retired general Michael T Flynn, tweeted his belief that the so-called “pizzagate” conspiracy would “remain a story” until “proven to be false”. Trump ordered Flynn’s son fired.

According to texts cited by prosecutors, Welch believed he was doing a public service.

“Raiding a pedo ring, possibly sacraficing [sic] the lives of a few for the lives of many,” Welch wrote to one friend. “Standing up against a corrupt system that kidnaps, tortures and rapes ­babies and children in our own back yard.”

He added: “I’m sorry bro, but I’m tired of turning the channel and hoping someone does something and being thankful it’s not my family. One day it will be our families. The world is too afraid to act and I’m too stubborn not to.”

When he went to Washington, Welch took with him the assault weapon, a .38 revolver and a 12-gauge shotgun. When he walked into the restaurant, diners, including families with children, fled in panic.

According to court documents, Welch fired the rifle several times at a locked closet door, damaging computer equipment, and aimed the gun at an employee who had entered the back of the restaurant and promptly ran back out. No one was injured.

Welch later said he regretted his actions.

The court set Welch’s sentencing hearing for 22 June. He faces between 18 and 60 months in prison, though prosecutors have not indicated how severe a sentence they will seek. In his guilty plea, Welch agreed to pay about $5,700 for damage done to the restaurant.

Also on Friday, Jones apologized for promoting the conspiracy. In a nearly six-minute video, he read a statement in which he apologized to James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong, and tried to minimize his role in spreading the rumors.

“I made comments about Mr Alefantis that in hindsight I regret, and for which I apologize to him,” Jones said. “We relied on third-party accounts of alleged activities and conduct at the restaurant. We also relied on accounts of reporters who are no longer with us.”

The InfoWars story, Jones admitted, “was based upon what we now believe was an incorrect narrative”. He said that he did not believe Alefantis had any legal claim against InfoWars, which has taken its relevant broadcasts offline.

“We are issuing this statement because we think it is the right thing to do,” Jones said. “It is never easy to admit when your commentaries are based on inaccurate information, but we feel like we owe it to you, the listeners, viewers and supporters, to make that statement, and give an apology to you and to Mr Alefantis.”

The two appear to be a study in contrasts – but both display a remarkable lack of compassion. Their likeness could serve to justify Democrats’ opposition

As the story spread last fall, Alefantis and his employees received hundreds of death threats. In a statement on Friday, the restaurant owner said that the apology, “while welcome, does nothing to address the harm he and his company have done to me, my business, and my community”.

Jones claims that he sometimes speaks with the president by phone. Before his election, Trump sat for an interview with the InfoWars host.

Both men have spread false stories that “thousands” of American Muslims cheered the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, that Barack Obama was not born in the US, and that Senator Ted Cruz’s father was involved in the assassination of John F Kennedy.

After five years of promoting the falsehood about Obama’s birth certificate, Trump admitted last fall that Obama was American.

“We encourage you to hold us accountable,” Jones said on Friday. “We improve when you do.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... alex-jones

[brekin]

Pardon, yee smug quippers, but what is your take on PG again?

That it's rated X.

Of course you'd say that.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I strongly suspect Jones' apologia will be recognizable, months from now, as an important turning point in this whole psyop.

We're about to see a lot of threads get rolled up as the public narrative solidifies.

And, as more cynical/experienced RI members have been saying since the beginning of this thread, the end result is that any discussion of "elite pedophile rings" will be easier than ever to laugh off, dismiss and pathologize.

[liminalOyster]

Wombat, I'm curious how you piece this together wrt anything we may have learned about Jones, Bannon, or others. IOW has PG changed any of your own working theories? I'd have to actually re-read that Conspiratainment Complex you wrote long ago but I'd be curious what a 2017 epilogue would propose, unless I'm way off your plot....

[Wombaticus Rex]

Wombat, I'm curious how you piece this together wrt anything we may have learned about Jones, Bannon, or others. IOW has PG changed any of your own working theories? I'd have to actually re-read that Conspiratainment Complex you wrote long ago but I'd be curious what a 2017 epilogue would propose, unless I'm way off your plot....

I don't have working theories at this point. I'm not trying to ascertain anything anymore, you know?

I'd just refer someone to "Mirage Men" -- itself, of course, problematic -- for a well-explained prototype of what I was talking about in my previous comment. This was a honeypot deception operation. True believers are valuable raw material.

As for the cultural forces at work, all subcultures and human endeavors are corrupted & compromised by the medium we're using to communicate. We're primates who evolved for group selection competition, and require outgroups to survive. This is why the doctrine of both Buddha and Christ remain so radical today.

We're telling each other stories about a world that, in reality, makes no sense whatsoever. Our narrative addiction is what makes sapiens so very easy to manipulate.

As for which factions are in play here, I definitely think this was perpetrated by the Langley Liberal / Multinational Governance axis that back Hillary and Bill. We're watching a re-negotiation with the Conservative Catholic / Military Industrial axis. Jones was given new marching orders which were, visibly, hard for him to swallow: a hard pivot in SV parlance.

As with so many other honeypot deception operations, any narrative accounting will place the spotlight on characters who merely wandered onstage and acted, more or less, precisely as planned. The actual principals involved are not onstage.

Edit: I feel compelled to add that there are no "sides" in this squabble that do not use sexual blackmail and abuse as an SOP tool of the trade. Same with assassinations or false flag attacks: nobody is so principled they'll abstain from using proven techniques to accomplish their ends. They cannot afford to be. This is why "Pizzagate" tendrils diffused into the networks of both 2016 candidates. Just not a lot of breathing room at the top of the pyramid.