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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:21 am

where you see FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST (in which case why give a shit?) others see policies with important differences.


What are those important differences in your opinion?

Seriously.

hoping superpowers "don't blow each other up" doesn't help when other places are being blown up with an endgame of open-ended destruction.

Countries like israel and saudi funded clinton's campaign while lobbying for wars of aggression. Somehow this is barely controversial.


Yes there is a bloc made up of US/UK and Saudi Arabia (and other Gulf States). Israel may be part of it depending on how you look at it. their interests and the US/K and Saudi blocs coincide at the moment. Personally I think Israel is a effectively US colony masquerading as independent state, whether Israel realises or not. But they will turn to Russia if the US abandons them. Obviously they and the saudis will lobby extensively to influence US elections. Everyone (most of the US population) knows this don't they? IMO they are happy with that state of affairs and openly support it.

So what are you gonna do about the other places being "blown up"?

Canadian support for the genocidal Saudi campaign in Yemen is barely a controversy here.


But Justin is such a lovely guy. He could never do anything wrong.


Back to:

So what are you gonna do about the other places being "blown up"?

or

More reasonably - why do you think Putin is engaging with Turkey? Clearly he wants to destabilise the EU, Nato and US Relations in the ME and in the process possibly Israel (tho probably not. Lots of Russian ex pats in Israel now.) On the face of it that isn't necessarily a bad thing for people in the ME. But he isn't doing it for the well being of the people of the ME. He is trying to rebuild Eurasia - the former USSR - tho not necessarily as a communist enitiy, more an energy based capitalist one. (Sound familiar - a superpower built on controlling the energy trade?) Most of that energy comes from fossil fuel.

Ultimately he will expect certain things from the people of the middle east and will take them regardless. Look at his career - has anything he has done given you the impression he won't?

Yet the prospect of co-operation and peace between the US and Russia is somehow supposed to be a horrible, world ending travesty? Get real


That depends. I don't really see the prospect of peace between "the US" and Russia because the USA/Israel/Saudi axis is in direct competition with Russia for the energy market in Europe. That is what is driving this conflict. There will be no peace in the middle east imo.

There will be more conflict and it will disrupt traditional (late 20th century) western oil trading as Russia tries to increase its market share of the worlds energy markets.

Likewise if you're unhappy with the devastation of the MENA and islamic world why would something like cooperation between turkey and iran be a bad thing? Not literally you joe but crappy msm propaganda is basically saying as much.


Real co operation between the MENA would involve them being independent in their ability to market their energy resources. Most of 20th century history involves Europeans or people of European descent in North America trying to prevent that. I see Russia's involvement as more of the same. Tho if Turkey and Iran play their cards right they may be able to cut Russia out and generate a bit of independent energy supply to China.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing, (and might drop gas prices in Australia as a bonus.)
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:29 am

from Evening Standard

Top Russian diplomat Petr Polshikov found shot dead at Moscow home
WILL STEWART Moscow Tuesday 20 December 2016

Moscow: Police are investigating the death of a Russian diplomat in his home in the city
A high-ranking Russian diplomat has been found dead from gunshot wounds in Moscow.

Petr Polshikov, 56, was found at his home with a bullet wound to his head.

The shooting disclosed today came soon after news of the assassination of Russian ambassador to Ankara, Andrey Karlov.

The circumstances of the Moscow shooting were still unclear, with police examining all possible theories.

Two empty bullet shells were found in the flat on Balaklavsky Prospekt. A gun was discovered under the sink in the bathroom.

Reports said the diplomat’s wife was in the flat at the time and is safe.

Polshikov was reported to be a senior figure in the Latin American department of the Russian foreign ministry.

His death was discovered just hours before Russia's ambassador in Turkey, Andrei Karlov, was assassinated in Ankara.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/to ... 24511.html
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:33 am

from Patrick Cockburn

The assassination of the Russian ambassador is the latest sign Turkey is becoming weaker and more unstable
President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is seeking to extend his authoritarian rule but his country beset by problems both home and abroad

Patrick Cockburn @indyworld 21 hours

Late Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov's wife Marina mourns next to the flag-wrapped coffin during a ceremony at Esenboga airport in Ankara, Turkey Reuters
The assassination of the Russian ambassador to Ankara by a 22-year-old riot policeman underlines the degree to which Turkey is being destabilised by the hatred and violence spreading from the wars in Syria. Spectacular killings and bombings are happening every few days in which the identity, affiliations or motives of the perpetrators are often in doubt because the attacks are a reflection of the multiple crises threatening to tear Turkey apart.

The circumstances surrounding the killing of ambassador Andrey Karlov by Mevlut Mert Altintas are an example of this over-supply of possible suspects. Many Turkish observers regret that he was shot dead by the security forces soon after the assassination because his connections point in different directions and the reason for his actions may never be explained.

The international media has generally focused on his shout “Don’t forget Aleppo! Don’t forget Syria!” This fits in with a simple narrative that a lot of Turks are enraged by Russia’s support for President Bashar al-Assad in Syria and for his recapture of east Aleppo. Maybe one of them decided to do something about it.

But these cries were not the killer’s first words after he had fired the fatal shots and may not have been the most significant. These were in Arabic and spoke of those “who give Mohammed our allegiance for jihad,” suggesting that the speaker had moved in jihadi circles in Turkey. This argues against the killing being a spontaneous response to events in Aleppo, but does not tell one much about the gunman’s affiliations.

The best informed Turkish commentators are suggesting that these were with Jabhat al-Nusra, formerly the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria or with the movement of Fethullah Gulen, which the Turkish government blames for the attempted coup on 15 July. On the other hand, they admit that he could have been a lone assassin who happened, from his point of view, to be in the right place at the right time.

Turkish and Russian leaders are almost over-assiduous in reassuring each other that the murder of a top Russian diplomat will not break their new-found bonds of friendship. President Vladimir Putin and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan made statements to that effect and, soon after the Turkish, Russian and Iranian foreign ministers met in Moscow for a pre-arranged discussion on Syria. After failing to protect Mr Karlov, Turkey will probably have to pay a price by being more accommodating to Russia in Syria.

What is not in doubt is that Turkey is becoming a more violent place and a weaker power. In the last 10 days alone the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) or one of its offshoots have killed 58 people, mostly soldiers and police in carefully planned bomb attacks. The political leaders of the Kurdish minority, an estimated 14 per cent of the 80 million Turkish population, are being charged with terrorist offences for expressing even the mildest form of dissent. The same may be starting to happen to the Alevi who make up a further 15 per cent of the population. The failed military coup of 15 July provoked a purge of soldiers, civil servants, universities and media suspected of Gulenist connections with more than 100,000 sacked or suspended and 37,000 arrested. There is a continuing state of emergency and the purge has extended well beyond suspected Gulenists to include anybody critical of Mr Erdogan and his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

It did not have to turn out this way. As the Arab Spring so-called spread across the region six years ago, Turkey might have served as a mediator to prevent violence and contain crises. Instead, it backed the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria and elsewhere and tolerated ever more extreme jihadis. Mr Erdogan was certainly not alone in thinking that there would be regime change in Damascus, but he was the one worst affected when the project failed.

Turkey is now faced with the nightmare of Kurdish control along most of its border with Syria and Iraq. In Syria, there is a de facto Kurdish state, in military alliance with the US, ruled by the Syrian branch of the PKK. The Turkish government has established a narrow anti-Kurdish cordon sanitaire further west, but it remained largely mute while the Syrian armed forces retook east Aleppo. Turkish policy in northern Syria is now directed against the Kurds and hopes of getting rid of Mr Assad have languished.

For all Mr Erdogan’s belligerent talk about military intervention in Iraq and Syria over the last six months, his actions on the ground have been cautious. The temptation may still be there to burnish his nationalist credentials and demonstrate his control over a heavily purged Turkish army by sending it deeper into Syria and even into Iraq.

But these ventures may be beyond the capacity of a Turkish state that lacks foreign allies prepared to back its policies. There are hopes in Ankara that a Donald Trump administration would be more sympathetic to the Turkish position than President Obama, but nobody knows if the new US position is going to be much different from the old. From Turkey’s point of view, Russia and Iran may not be great allies but they could be very nasty enemies.

Governments in deep trouble sometimes play the nationalist card to get themselves out of it by military intervention abroad. The result is usually disastrous, though there is popular support among Turks for action against the PKK in its foreign enclaves. A Turkish newspaper even speaks of “draining the swamp of the Qandil”, a peculiarly ill-chose metaphor referring the PKK’s bases in the Qandil mountains, one of the greatest natural fortresses on earth.

The assassination of Mr Karlov is one more symptom showing that the general crisis in the Middle East and North Africa is affecting Turkey. The forces unleashed in Syria and Iraq are exacerbating existing divisions in Turkey. Mr Erdogan is extending his authoritarian rule but he rules a weakening state unable to cope with mounting crises at home and abroad.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rus ... 87686.html


from AntiWar
Pro-Govt Turkish Media Blames CIA for Russian Ambassador’s Assassination
Reports Accuse Exiled Cleric Gulen, and by Extension CIA
by Jason Ditz, December 20, 2016

Last summer’s failed military coup in Turkey gave a lot of momentum to the idea of conspiratorial plots against Turkey, centering at the time on the government blaming exiled cleric Fethullah Gulen, and officials in the government treating the Obama Administration’s refusal to extradite Gulen as evidence of US involvement.in the plot, with most media reports speculating the CIA played a role.

That carried over into yesterday’s assassination of Russian Ambassador to Turkey Andrei Karlov in Ankara. All it took was a little baseless speculation by Ankara’s mayor that the assassin, a Turkish riot police officer, was in league with Gulen, to set pro-government media outlets to work.

Major newspapers like Yeni Safak are not just blaming Gulen for the assassination, but accusing the CIA of being behind the plot. Naturally, no evidence exists to support any of this speculation, but after the coup purge of most of the reporters in Turkey willing to question official narrative, it can be expected to remain unquestioned fact.

As far as the underlying assumption, Gulen has already disavowed and condemned the assassination, and the only link to the gunman are claims that the shooter one time attended a college prep course at a university accused of being supported by Gulen. Since the post-coup purge hit materially every university in the country, such a “link” would be true of pretty much anybody in the country who ever attended such a class anywhere in Turkey.

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/20/pro- ... ssination/


from CBS
Family of Turkish cop reportedly detained as part of Russian envoy murder investigation
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-amba ... t-erdogan/
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:45 am

An independant Kurdistan would also have lots to gain from a weakened Turkey.
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:51 am

from Tass

Media: Turkish police arrest 13 suspects tied to Russian ambassador’s murder
World December 21
An attorney who owns an apartment where the assassin had resided for a short period of time has also been arrested
http://tass.com/world/921156


from Anadolu Agency

Russian team probing envoy's murder meets Ankara police
http://aa.com.tr/en/todays-headlines/ru ... ice/711303



Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:45 am wrote:An independant Kurdistan would also have lots to gain from a weakened Turkey.



from DW

Suspected Turkish spy 'thought to have planned Kurdish murders': report
A man suspected of belonging to the Turkish secret service who was arrested in Germany last week is believed to have planned two assassinations in Europe, a German media report says. The victims were eminent Kurds.

A suspected spy from Turkey's intelligence agency who was detained in the northern German city of Hamburg on Thursday is thought to have planned the killing of two high-ranking Kurds in Europe, the German tabloid "Bild" reported on its website.
The report on Sunday said men traveled from Turkey to Germany at the end of November to carry out the assassinations - one in Bremen, the other in Brussels.
Planning role
The German Federal Prosecutor's Office in Karlsruhe (above photo) said that the 31-year-old suspect was believed to have gathered information about the whereabouts of individuals, contact persons and political activities. He is thought to have also spied on Kurdish institutions.
Ankara has been embroiled in a conflict with the Kurdish minority in Turkey for more than 30 years, with the situation escalating since summer 2015.
The Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which is banned not only in Turkey but in Germany as well, is fighting for an autonomous region in the southeast of the country. The Turkish government has cracked down hard not just on Kurdish militants, but also the pro-Kurdish opposition.
http://www.dw.com/en/suspected-turkish- ... a-36821737
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby tapitsbo » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:54 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:21 am wrote:
where you see FASCIST FASCIST FASCIST (in which case why give a shit?) others see policies with important differences.


What are those important differences in your opinion?

Seriously.

I believe there's lots to criticize about Russia but do we really need to go over the differences between different sides of the Syrian war? Obviously people disagree on this subject but the different sides in Syria are obviously not mirror images of each other.

Anyways I was never claiming Russia is perfect but rather it's hardly worse than many other Western allies yet it's supposed to be our "adversary".

yes the Russian government has been brutal at times put they've promoted stability while the US has had a terrible record at doing this in recent years.


hoping superpowers "don't blow each other up" doesn't help when other places are being blown up with an endgame of open-ended destruction.

Countries like israel and saudi funded clinton's campaign while lobbying for wars of aggression. Somehow this is barely controversial.


Yes there is a bloc made up of US/UK and Saudi Arabia (and other Gulf States). Israel may be part of it depending on how you look at it. their interests and the US/K and Saudi blocs coincide at the moment. Personally I think Israel is a effectively US colony masquerading as independent state, whether Israel realises or not. But they will turn to Russia if the US abandons them. Obviously they and the saudis will lobby extensively to influence US elections. Everyone (most of the US population) knows this don't they? IMO they are happy with that state of affairs and openly support it.

My impression is that people in the West are sketched out by the governments in Saudi and Qatar and not happy with the state of affairs. Obviously these states and the forms of religion and terrorism they promote in co-operation with others are not exactly universally liked in the Muslim world and beyond.

Anyways if the Anglosphere and these gulf countries can make a bloc, why can't we make an alliance/bloc with Russia? Maybe you're unhappy about that for other reasons as you suggest later... It almost sounds like the Jewish and Muslim portion of leadership of Russia would be "good" in your books while the Christian/Slav portion of the leadership there is "bad"... lol whatever


So what are you gonna do about the other places being "blown up"?

Groups around the world are advancing their own alliances for this very reason

Canadian support for the genocidal Saudi campaign in Yemen is barely a controversy here.


But Justin is such a lovely guy. He could never do anything wrong.



Back to:

So what are you gonna do about the other places being "blown up"?

or

More reasonably - why do you think Putin is engaging with Turkey? Clearly he wants to destabilise the EU, Nato and US Relations in the ME and in the process possibly Israel (tho probably not. Lots of Russian ex pats in Israel now.) On the face of it that isn't necessarily a bad thing for people in the ME. But he isn't doing it for the well being of the people of the ME. He is trying to rebuild Eurasia - the former USSR - tho not necessarily as a communist enitiy, more an energy based capitalist one. (Sound familiar - a superpower built on controlling the energy trade?) Most of that energy comes from fossil fuel.

Ultimately he will expect certain things from the people of the middle east and will take them regardless. Look at his career - has anything he has done given you the impression he won't?

Yet the prospect of co-operation and peace between the US and Russia is somehow supposed to be a horrible, world ending travesty? Get real


That depends. I don't really see the prospect of peace between "the US" and Russia because the USA/Israel/Saudi axis is in direct competition with Russia for the energy market in Europe. That is what is driving this conflict. There will be no peace in the middle east imo.

There will be more conflict and it will disrupt traditional (late 20th century) western oil trading as Russia tries to increase its market share of the worlds energy markets.

Likewise if you're unhappy with the devastation of the MENA and islamic world why would something like cooperation between turkey and iran be a bad thing? Not literally you joe but crappy msm propaganda is basically saying as much.


Real co operation between the MENA would involve them being independent in their ability to market their energy resources. Most of 20th century history involves Europeans or people of European descent in North America trying to prevent that. I see Russia's involvement as more of the same. Tho if Turkey and Iran play their cards right they may be able to cut Russia out and generate a bit of independent energy supply to China.

I understand why you'd feel this way. Lots of people around the world have similar feelings about being ruled by Islamists. Certainly many prefer "Islamism" of Turkey or Iran to that promoted by Saudi and Qatar, in any case.

The diffusion of power away from a standoff between two blocs helps weaker countries in any case, including in places like europe and central asia where they've been strongarmed by the US/NATO and yes, Russia into some strange policies


Which wouldn't be a bad thing, (and might drop gas prices in Australia as a bonus.)
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:58 pm

from VOA News


Erdogan: 'No Doubt' Russian Envoy's Killer Linked to Gulen
December 21, 2016 1:25 PM
VOA News

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the assassination of Russia's ambassador earlier this week was "no doubt" carried out by a member of the network of Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen.

"There is no need to make a secret out of the fact he was a member of FETO," Erdogan said at a news conference, using Ankara's preferred acronym for the group run by the U.S.-based preacher and political figure.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu told U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry in a phone call earlier this week that Turkey believes the killer is linked to Gulen, whom Ankara also blames for being July's failed coup in Turkey.

But Wednesday's news conference marked the first time the president had publicly made the claim of Gulen's connection of to Monday's assassination of Andrei Karlov at a photo exhibit in the Turkish capital.

Gulen condemned the attack earlier this week, and the United States has rejected what it called "absolutely ridiculous" suggestions that it was involved in or supported the assassination because of Gulen's presence in the U.S.

Turkey has been demanding Gulen's extradition from the U.S.

Russia said earlier Wednesday it is too early to draw conclusions about the shooter responsible for Karlov's assassination.

Karlov was shot by Mevlut Altintas, a 22-year-old Turkish off-duty police officer who is believed to have gained access to the exhibit by using his badge. A witness told VOA that during the shooting Altintas shouted: "Don't forget Aleppo! Don't forget Syria! As long as our lands aren't safe, you will not be safe!"

Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Wednesday there should be no rush to conclusions before a joint investigation of the assassination is complete.

State Department spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday that Secretary Kerry raised concerns about "some of the rhetoric coming out of Turkey" in his call with Cavusoglu.

"We need to let the investigators do their job," " Kirby told reporters. "And we need to ... let the facts and the evidence take them where it is before we jump to conclusions. But any notion that the United States was in any way supportive of this or behind this or even indirectly involved is absolutely ridiculous."

Karlov's body arrived in Moscow on Tuesday, accompanied by his widow.

Cavusoglu said on Twitter the street outside the Russian embassy in Ankara will be named after Karlov. The Turkish foreign minister was in Moscow Tuesday for talks with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov, and the two diplomats laid flowers next to portrait of Karlov.

"Turkish people are mourning this loss as much as Russia and the people of Russia," Cavusoglu said.

Cavusoglu, Lavrov and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif met in Moscow to discuss the Syrian crisis, and according to Lavrov, they agreed to facilitate a deal between the Syrian government and the opposition.

Both Russian and Turkish leaders have said the assassination will not divide them. Analysts say they do not see the killing driving a wedge in Russia-Turkey relations.

"For a while now, Turkey and Russia had agreed on many issues in northern Syria, including evacuation of civilians from eastern Aleppo, and this convergence could be undermined by the assassination attempt but I think that will not happen," said TWI Turkish Research Program Director, Soner Cagaptay.

"At this stage for Russia to act aggressively on this assassination issue would mean that Russia would lose what it has," he told VOA Turkish. "So I think ... Turkey will respond by running a thorough investigation of the assassination."

“Russia has been giving Turkey the benefit of the doubt because of the broader interests developing the region regarding Syria and Iraq,” said political columnist Semih Idiz of the Al Monitor website.

“As you see now, Russia has brought Turkey to its side," he added. "It's trying to capitalize on the deepening division between Turkey and the West, and it sees an advantage in this and it would not want to endanger at this moment in time.”


Ambassador Karlov was making a speech at the opening of an art exhibition as the well-dressed gunman stood on the side of the stage, leading many in the audience to assume he was a bodyguard. The entire scene was captured on video.

Three other people were wounded before security officers shot the gunman dead. Ambassador Karlov died at a hospital. He had been Russia's ambassador to Turkey since 2013.

Six people have reportedly been detained in connection with the investigation, including the shooter's' roommate, parents and other relatives.
http://www.voanews.com/a/erdogan-says-n ... 45340.html
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:22 am

Plutonia » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:06 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:59 pm wrote:so are you saying it is not Assange on the Hannity interview?
No, I don't believe it was. For many reasons, only one of which was that his halting, awkward cadence was wrong and he spoke twice as fast as normal. Also, content, as I said above.

Edit to add. If Fake Osama was useful to the Imperialist State, wait and see how useful Fake Assange will be.



I commented on this in the 'Amazing Assange' thread, here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29320&p=624975#p624975
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby bks » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:33 am

Russian military plane w/ 90+ personnel bound for Syria missing.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... adar-.html

EDIT: Reporters and military band also reportedly among passengers
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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:57 am

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Re: Russian ambassador to Turkey shot and killed

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