Trump Inauguration Protests

[liminalOyster]

I'm not a pacifist but it seems pretty clear that violence is something that is most effective and defensible when it follows after smarter and wiser actions have been exhausted.

This was just a stupid action that gave exponential fodder to his proselytizing sympathizers. It will do nothing whatsoever to defang his appeal to his targeted-as-likely-convertible demographic. We'll be seeing a whole lot more of them over the next few years, I'm quite confident.

[Sounder]

Ok, I did not know who the 'victim' was, punch away.

But still the image does not reflect well and IMO does not serve the cause and does in no way stop mass murder.

If only that were an option. Simple really, want to stop mass murder, punch a guy.

[Searcher08]

Some people would like to prevent mass murder.

And the way to do that in these days of memes and youtube is to spread interest in your opponent as hard and wide as you can?

Hey that looks like fun. Punching people out for a good cause that people cheer you for.
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Look at those scum. I dont agree with Spencer but what is he saying that people are hitting him to stop. I think I'll have a closer look.

The left could really do with someone like a Milo equivalent to nail Spencer's head to the floorboards in a debate. Polite but savage funny mockery will help kill off the Spencer interest way more than turning him into a martyr.

Seriously, what next? Hospitalise him for months... so he can write Mein Kampf 2?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Seriously, what next? Hospitalise him for months... so he can write Mein Kampf 2?

What's next is you kill him, obviously. It would be encouraging if Anti-Fa was capable of being that serious, but based on that punch, not gonna happen this generation, either.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Redrum, redrum, redrum...

[seemslikeadream]

On his first day in office, Trump broke 34 promises
The new president made 36 promises about his first day, but kept only two of them.

https://thinkprogress.org/on-his-first- ... .7u4l3l7aw

[Searcher08]

Seriously, what next? Hospitalise him for months... so he can write Mein Kampf 2?

What's next is you kill him, obviously. It would be encouraging if Anti-Fa was capable of being that serious, but based on that punch, not gonna happen this generation, either.

Yes, it reminded me of the contrast with young kids growing up in West Belfast.
They didn't want to live for Ireland, they wanted to fucking die for it. Become immortal through stories. And quite often, they got their wish.

Anti-fa, with added intersectionalality ("misgendering a trans person is an act of violence"), here just enacting the thin end of the Lt Calley approach "We had to kill everyone to save them".

[DrEvil]

Some people would like to prevent mass murder.

And the way to do that in these days of memes and youtube is to spread interest in your opponent as hard and wide as you can?

Hey that looks like fun. Punching people out for a good cause that people cheer you for.
or
Look at those scum. I dont agree with Spencer but what is he saying that people are hitting him to stop. I think I'll have a closer look.

The left could really do with someone like a Milo equivalent to nail Spencer's head to the floorboards in a debate. Polite but savage funny mockery will help kill off the Spencer interest way more than turning him into a martyr.

Seriously, what next? Hospitalise him for months... so he can write Mein Kampf 2?

Obviously you would break all his fingers and his jaw first.
And the same for Milo (btw: Milo polite? Ha-fucking-ha. Champion of MRA's everywhere and unofficial leader of gamergate. There's a reason he got banned from Twitter).

If you play by the rules against these people you will lose.

[KUAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdiCJUysIT0

[seemslikeadream]

If you play by the rules against these people you will lose.

[Luther Blissett]

https://canipunchnazis.com

Roxanne Gay says yes.

[Heaven Swan]

The violence of "liberals" I find quite disturbing, but not surprising.

http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/man-shot-during-uw-event-for-milo-yiannopoulos/486520649

People, Milo has different political views than you, you are not "liberal" if you do not allow him to speak.

How quickly ideals collapse when perceived survival is at stake. Here we see in real time how societies degenerate into authoritarianism. It comes from all sides, motivated by blind fear.

I posted this on FB tonight. It feels strange. I've always been eager to protest, and I do indeed hope to see a massive turnout tomorrow, but I cannot bring myself to participate. Not this time.

I marched against the WTO in 1999, and the Iraq war in 2003, but my pussy and clit hats are staying home with me tomorrow. If there were a march against elite trafficking (among all political persuasions) and US human experimentation, I’d be there. If there were a march against the Deep State, I’d be there. If there were a march against (domestic!) election rigging, I’d be there. If there were a march against US imperialism, neoliberalism, 8 years of war under Obama, I’d be there. Yet none of these issues seem to have mattered much to the vast majority of people who are gathering tomorrow. It doesn’t sit right with me to be crying foul when the crimes of the US state have been ongoing all this time, with the people who were paid with tax money to torture me still free and operating, to suddenly take to the streets in outrage.

There is also a growing authoritarianism among liberals that in some cases is matching the blind rage and violence of the extreme right. I’ve watched a steady stream of scapegoating vitriol, driven by fear and sculpted by mainstream propaganda, directed towards people like me. I’ve received private messages asking me to take down articles I’ve shared, accusing me of supporting the US’s perceived enemies. I fear that if I raised my voice in the crowd about the truth of my own experience and my views about our country, I could not be certain of my safety.

My war is not with struggling citizens who, in misguided rebellion, voted for Trump. I do not accept that the majority of them were driven by hatred. My war is not with one figurehead, however sociopathic. Sociopaths wear many faces, sometimes they wear calm, clever, caring masks. Sometimes they carry the banner of feminism. I understand the fear of being governed by a sociopath. I grew up with them, at home, and in the labs. It is terrifying, but fear renders you ripe for manipulation and vulnerable to all number of behavioral and strategic blunders. If there were a march against succumbing to fear, I’d be there.

My protest is against those who pull the wool over the people’s eyes, through kindly seeming figureheads and media manipulation, who keep us falsely divided and hateful towards each other, so our anger never reaches the real centers of power. If and when there is a great awakening, and the outrage is focused not on figureheads, or the symbols of our problems, but the entirety of the system, nudge me, and I will join you in the streets.

Thanks for posting this PW.
Your comment covers broader ground but I'm going to zero in on a couple of things.

I'm trying to understand why women were so quick to withhold political support and ignore the suffering of abuse survivors for the past decade+.
There are strong signs that the tide may be turning and guess what? the damn liberal feminist writers and pied pipers, who, to build their careers, led women into supporting pornography and prostitution as 'empowerment' and worked tirelessly to rebrand feminism as "any choice a woman chooses" are making instantaneous about-faces and claiming to be radical feminists.

Check out this excellent article on Feminist Current:
LIBERAL FEMINISTS USHERED IVANKA TRUMP INTO THE WHITE HOUSE
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/01/20/liberal-feminists-ushered-ivanka-trump-white-house/

Also, if you feel like talking more about it-- Why were people asking you to take down your articles? I'm not clear on their rationale, if there was one.

And, I do think that 'no-platforming' would be a great thing to look at starting with its' historical use in Europe after the 2nd world war. I believe that it is still illegal for political leaders to speak and rabble rouse in public in Italy. These laws were instituted because hate-rousing speeches played such a major role in Hitler and Mussolini's rise to power. On the other hand, there's no question that no-platforming has been misused of late, and mostly deployed by liberals against radical feminists. Good topic for another thread or future discussion.

[liminalOyster]

Nazi Gets Punched In The Face, Internet Celebrates

[Project Willow]

I'm trying to understand why women were so quick to withhold political support and ignore the suffering of abuse survivors for the past decade+.

I'd guess it's for the usual reason, rates of sexual trauma are so high, and the vast majority of victims have never gone through any sort of healing process. When a minority begin to speak out, it evokes a host of negative feelings and responses in the others who would rather not be reminded of their own pain.

There are strong signs that the tide may be turning and guess what? the damn liberal feminist writers and pied pipers, who, to build their careers, led women into supporting pornography and prostitution as 'empowerment' and worked tirelessly to rebrand feminism as "any choice a woman chooses" are making instantaneous about-faces and claiming to be radical feminists.

Check out this excellent article on Feminist Current:
LIBERAL FEMINISTS USHERED IVANKA TRUMP INTO THE WHITE HOUSE
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2017/01/20/liberal-feminists-ushered-ivanka-trump-white-house/

Also, if you feel like talking more about it-- Why were people asking you to take down your articles? I'm not clear on their rationale, if there was one.

Interesting article, not surprising though.

Here's a link to the pm I got asking me to remove an article: http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40310&start=15#p628166

And, I do think that 'no-platforming' would be a great thing to look at starting with its' historical use in Europe after the 2nd world war. I believe that it is still illegal for political leaders to speak and rabble rouse in public in Italy. These laws were instituted because hate-rousing speeches played such a major role in Hitler and Mussolini's rise to power. On the other hand, there's no question that no-platforming has been misused of late, and mostly deployed by liberals against radical feminists. Good topic for another thread or future discussion.

Agree!

Did you go to the DC march? What was it like?

[vince]

All I know is, they sure are playing "The Big Lebowski" a LOT on HBO!
Say it with me, people!
"SHUT THE FUCK UP, DONNIE! YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT!!"