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Searcher08 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:30 am wrote:Elvis » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:57 am wrote:They are there to be found.
I looked, all I found was Metro, the Mail, Breitbart, Gatestone etc.
You see no chance that these organizations would tend to exaggerate this stuff? You see no motive (not to mention means & opportunity) for them mounting a campaign to incite fear and loathing of immigrants and especially Muslims? Are these the people we're supposed to trust now? I don't trust them one bit.
One girl "victim" of indeterminate age and two teenage boys arrested for "groping." It's little wonder the MSM is not picking up this "mass sex attack" scenario—it's flimsy.
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3831991/Wheelchair-bound-woman-gang-raped-six-migrants-Swedish-asylum-centre-asking-use-toilet.html[/url]
[url]https://www.rt.com/news/369415-sweden-refugees-rape-afgan-boy/[/url]
[url]https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/01/26/3-men-gang-rape-young-woman-in-sweden-broadcast-it-live-on-facebook/[/url]
[url]http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-immigration/[/url]
"This article originally appeared on The Sun"
tapitsbo » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:32 am wrote:Maybe Trump was attacking the Swedish ideology. We can find evidence of it by going to the horses' mouths - statements by politicians there have achieved some measure of notoriety.
Of course many people are never going to acknowledge why the ideas promoted by the Swedish government and media would ever, ever be controversial - or they will object to any controversy on various grounds. They might also object to the sources you linked, Searcher08, regardless of the content.
What's at stake here, as with so many issues of the day, isn't just facts or ideas, indeed what is at stake is the possibility of dissent/controversy/discussion itself.
Iamwhomiam » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:44 am wrote:Tapitsbo, notorious statements by the Swedes, especially those dictating internal governmental policies should be made widely known. Considering I'm unfamiliar with any statements as you've described, how about you sharing with us those you consider "notorious." Links with quotes would help us all.
So please, point out for us the horses whose mouths you've heard or read making such "notorious" statements.
Just claiming it is true without providing any substance that what you wrote is true, does not make it true. It now stands as your undocumented claim, much like President Trumps false claim.
added "made" to first sentence
tapitsbo » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:13 pm wrote:Anything I cited could be easily dismissed as a false claim. Media have dismissed the claim of "no-go zones" in regards to Europe as a false claim for instance - while EMS and many observers have gone on the record disagreeing.
I'll admit that countries like Sweden and Germany are being targeted by a media campaign by America-centric right wing groups like the Gatestone Institute as much as by Soros-type groups opposed to national borders and sovereignty.
All that is a somewhat separate issue from the platform of the media/political leadership of such countries. From Canada it is clear to me that something is amiss in Germany in terms of constraints on political processes and public discussion, as Merkel prepares to enter her fourth term (!) while lecturing the rest of Europe about "threats to democracy" as countries like Greece and Ukraine get looted and cauldronized...
The ultimate designs behind the so-called "migrant crisis" are still not clear to me and I'm willing to entertain the idea that aspects of this were orchestrated in order to fuel right-wing politics or worse (war.)
Reading about countries like Germany and Sweden however, it's obvious that there is a serious mismatch in perceptions of many events and issues there, going by varying accounts from institutions and people on the ground.
Iamwhomiam » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:31 pm wrote:Really, tapitsbo, what the fuck is Swedish ideology?
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JackRiddler wrote:It is not an undocumented claim, it is a plainly false claim intentionally advanced by those who would create hysteria, foment hatred and gain support for barbarous policy.
JackRiddler wrote:The documentary Carlson pimped when Trump was watching (which led to his confused statement the next day making it sound that Sweden had suffered a terrorist attack the night before) is fraudulent, as interview partners attest. More O'Keefe/Breitbart-style madness.
Thorough treatment here -
http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/20/1466 ... rant-crime
Horowitz, the ultimate source of all this, is facing serious allegations of selectively editing footage of Swedish police officers to make it seem like they’re blaming crime on immigrants when they actually aren’t.
The Swedish immigration and crime statistical graphs have already been posted in this thread.“What we’re hearing is a very, very extreme exaggeration based on a few isolated events, and the claim that it’s related to immigration is more or less not true at all,” Jerzy Sarnecki, a criminologist at Stockholm University, told the Globe and Mail’s Doug Saunders.
Tucker Carlson’s guest [b]Ami Horowitz, is in deep hot water over journalistic ethics.
Carlson’s segment begins with a clip from Horowitz’s most recent film, Stockholm Syndrome. In the clip, two Swedish police officers, Anders Göranzon and Jacob Ekström, sound what appear to be warnings about high levels of criminality by immigrants. But in fact, as the officers told the Swedish publication Dagens Nyheter, they were talking about crime in general, without any specific reference to crime by immigrants.
“We answered a different question. We don’t stand behind what he says. He is a madman,” Göranzon said on their behalf. “He has edited the answers. We were answering completely different questions in the interview.”
Horowitz denies this, telling the Guardian that “the officers are probably under a lot of pressure because of what they said.” He could be right; it’s hard to know who’s telling the truth here unless Horowitz releases the unedited footage.
But this controversy hammers home the bizarreness of Trump’s comments. The president of the United States said something clearly inaccurate, which turned out to be based on a Fox News segment filled with faulty references to statistics and a dubiously edited documentary clip.
Nordic » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:03 pm wrote:Elvis this has all been covered at RI before. Probably when you aren't here.
If you really want to learn about this stuff, just search RI.
Instead of telling us we're all full of shit.
K?
Wombaticus Rex » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:37 pm wrote:Iamwhomiam » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:31 pm wrote:Really, tapitsbo, what the fuck is Swedish ideology?
Please take this argument to the existing thread, What the Fuck is Swedish Ideology?
Iamwhomiam » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:52 pm wrote:I didn't think a full chorus was necessary to chime in agreeing the Swedish Attack stories were manufactured, but people have been led to believe no news reporting can be valid - only true is what Donald tells us is true or the news sources he points us to.
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