Is Russia Behind a Secession Effort in California?

[Rory]

Off topic copy pasta

[seemslikeadream]

[seemslikeadream]

[seemslikeadream]

Playtime is over


The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

In the United States:

Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.

Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey

Playtime is over

By Charlie Stross

So I've had a week now for the outcome of last Tuesday's US election to sink in, and I've been doing some thinking and some research, and my conclusion is that either I'm wearing a tinfoil hat or things are much, much worse than most people imagine.

Nearly four years ago I wrote about the Beige Dictatorship, and predicted:

Overall, the nature of the problem seems to be that our representative democratic institutions have been captured by meta-institutions that implement the iron law of oligarchy by systematically reducing the risk of change. They have done so by converging on a common set of policies that do not serve the public interest, but minimize the risk of the parties losing the corporate funding they require in order to achieve re-election. And in so doing, they have broken the "peaceful succession when enough people get pissed off" mechanism that prevents revolutions. If we're lucky, emergent radical parties will break the gridlock (here in the UK that would be the SNP in Scotland, possibly UKIP in England: in the USA it might be the new party that emerges if the rupture between the Republican realists like Karl Rove and the Tea Party radicals finally goes nuclear), but within a political generation (two election terms) it'll be back to oligarchy as usual.

Well, I was optimistic. The tea party radicals have gone nuclear, but I wasn't counting on a neo-Nazi running the White House, or on the Kremlin stepping in ...

Let me explain.

A few years ago, wandering around the net, I stumbled on a page titled "Why Japan lost the Second World War". (Sorry, I can't find the URL.) It held two photographs. The first was a map of the Pacific Theater used by the Japanese General Staff. It extended from Sakhalin in the north to Australia in the south, from what we now call Bangladesh in the west, to Hawaii in the east. The second photograph was the map of the war in the White House. A Mercator projection showing the entire planet. And the juxtaposition explained in one striking visual exactly why the Japanese military adventure against the United States was doomed from the outset: they weren't even aware of the true size of the battleground.

I'd like you to imagine what it must have been like to be a Japanese staff officer. Because that's where we're standing today. We think we're fighting local battles against Brexit or Trumpism. But in actuality, they're local fronts in a global war. And we're losing because we can barely understand how big the conflict is.

(NB: By "we", I mean folks who think that the Age of Enlightenment, the end of monarchism, and the evolution of Liberalism are good things. If you disagree with this, then kindly hold your breath until your head explodes. (And don't bother commenting below: I'll delete and ban you on sight.))

The logjam created by the Beige Dictatorship was global, throughout the western democracies; and now it has broken. But it didn't break by accident, and the consequences could be very bad indeed.

What happened last week is not just about America. It was one move—a very significant one, bishop-takes-queen maybe—in a long-drawn-out geopolitical chess game. It's being fought around the world: Brexit was one move, the election and massacres of Dutarte in the Philippines were another, the post-coup crackdown in Turkey is a third. The possible election of Marine Le Pen (a no-shit out-of-the-closet fascist) as President of France next year is more of this stuff. The eldritch knot of connections between Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Da'esh in the wreckage of Syria is icing on top. It's happening all over and I no longer think this is a coincidence.

Part of it is about the geopolitics of climate change (and mass migration and water wars). Part of it is about the jarring transition from an oil-based economy (opposed by the factions who sell oil and sponsor denial climate change, from Exxon-Mobil to the Kremlin) to a carbon-neutral one.

Part of it is the hellbrew of racism and resentment stirred up by loss of relative advantage, by the stagnation of wages in the west and the perception that other people somewhere else are stealing all the money—Chinese factories, Wall Street bankers, the faceless Other. (17M people in the UK have less than £100 in savings; by a weird coincidence, the number of people who voted for Brexit was around 17M. People who are impoverished become desperate and angry and have little investment in the status quo—a fancy way of saying they've got nothing to lose.)

But another big part of the picture I'm trying to draw is Russia's long-drawn out revenge for the wild ride of misrule the neoconservatives inflicted on the former USSR in the 1990s.

Stripped of communism, the old guard didn't take their asset-stripping by neoliberals during the Clinton years lying down; they no more morphed into whitebread Americans than the Iraqis did during the occupation. They developed a reactionary playbook; a fellow called Alexander Dugin wrote The Foundations of Geopolitics, and it's been a set text in the Russian staff college for the past two decades. A text that proposes a broad geopolitical program for slavic (Russian) dominance over Asia, which is to be won by waging a global ideological war against people like us. "In principle, Eurasia and our space, the heartland Russia, remain the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution. ... The new Eurasian empire will be constructed on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us. This common civilizational impulse will be the basis of a political and strategic union."

I don't want to sound like a warmed-over cold warrior or a swivel-eyed conspiracy theorist. However, the authoritarian faction currently ascendent in Putin's Russia seem to be running their country by this book. Their leaders remember how the KGB (newly reformed last month) handled black propaganda and disinformation, and they have people who know how new media work and who are updating the old time Moscow rules for a new century. Trump's Russian connections aren't an accident—they may be the most important thing about him, and Russia's sponsorship of extreme right neo-fascist movements throughout Europe is an alarming part of the picture. China isn't helping, either: they're backing authoritarian regimes wherever they seem useful, for the same reason the US State Department under Henry Kissinger backed fascists throughout central and south America in the 1970s—it took a generation to fix the damage from Operation Condor, and that was local (at least, confined to a single continent).

Trying to defeat this kind of attack through grass-roots action at local level ... well, it's not useless, it's brave and it's good, but it's also Quixotic. With hindsight, the period from December 26th, 1991 to September 11th, 2001, wasn't the end of history; it was the Weimar Republic repeating itself, and now we're in the dirty thirties. It's going to take more than local action if we're to climb out of the mass grave the fascists have been digging for us these past decades. It's going to take international solidarity and a coherent global movement and policies and structures I can barely envisage if we're going to rebuild the framework of shared progressive values that have been so fatally undermined.

We haven't lost yet.

But if we focus too narrowly on the local context, we will lose, because there is a de facto global fascist international at work, they've got a game plan, they're quite capable of applying the methods of Operation Condor on a global scale, and if we don't work out how to push back globally fast there will be nobody to remember our graves.

http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-st ... -over.html

About the Foundations of Geopolitics by Alexander Dugin (via wikipedia, my bold):

Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term a "Moscow-Berlin axis".[1]
France should be encouraged to form a "Franco-German bloc" with Germany. Both countries have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".[1]
United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.[1]
Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".[1]
Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.[1]
Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian-Russian sphere.[1]
Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.[1]
Romania, Macedonia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece – "orthodox collectivist East" – will unite with the "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".[1]
Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because "“Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[1]

In the Middle East and Central Asia:

The book stresses the "continental Russian-Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization".
Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis".[1]
Armenia has a special role and will serve as a "strategic base" and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Erevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people … [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".[1]
Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.[1]
Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.[1]
Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.[1]
The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghistan and Tajikistan).[1]

In Asia:

China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet-Xinjiang-Mongolia-Manchuria as a security belt.[2] Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction – Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensatation.[1]
Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.[1]
Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.[1]

The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

In the United States:

Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]

The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[1]

A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump

Has the bureau investigated this material?
David Corn Oct. 31, 2016 6:52 PM

On Friday, FBI Director James Comey set off a political blast when he informed congressional leaders that the bureau had stumbled across emails that might be pertinent to its completed inquiry into Hillary Clinton's handling of emails when she was secretary of state. The Clinton campaign and others criticized Comey for intervening in a presidential campaign by breaking with Justice Department tradition and revealing information about an investigation—information that was vague and perhaps ultimately irrelevant—so close to Election Day. On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid upped the ante. He sent Comey a fiery letter saying the FBI chief may have broken the law and pointed to a potentially greater controversy: "In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government…The public has a right to know this information."

Reid's missive set off a burst of speculation on Twitter and elsewhere. What was he referring to regarding the Republican presidential nominee? At the end of August, Reid had written to Comey and demanded an investigation of the "connections between the Russian government and Donald Trump's presidential campaign," and in that letter he indirectly referred to Carter Page, an American businessman cited by Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers, who had financial ties to Russia and had recently visited Moscow. Last month, Yahoo News reported that US intelligence officials were probing the links between Page and senior Russian officials. (Page has called accusations against him "garbage.") On Monday, NBC News reported that the FBI has mounted a preliminary inquiry into the foreign business ties of Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chief. But Reid's recent note hinted at more than the Page or Manafort affairs. And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.

Does this mean the FBI is investigating whether Russian intelligence has attempted to develop a secret relationship with Trump or cultivate him as an asset? Was the former intelligence officer and his material deemed credible or not? An FBI spokeswoman says, "Normally, we don't talk about whether we are investigating anything." But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government.

In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump's dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project's financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) "It started off as a fairly general inquiry," says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, "there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit."

This was, the former spy remarks, "an extraordinary situation." He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was "sufficiently serious" to share with the FBI.

Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer's conversations with Russian sources, noted, "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." It maintained that Trump "and his inner circle have accepted a regular flow of intelligence from the Kremlin, including on his Democratic and other political rivals." It claimed that Russian intelligence had "compromised" Trump during his visits to Moscow and could "blackmail him." It also reported that Russian intelligence had compiled a dossier on Hillary Clinton based on "bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia and intercepted phone calls."

The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was "shock and horror." The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all information in his possession and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump's inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. "It's quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on," he says.

"This is something of huge significance, way above party politics," the former intelligence officer comments. "I think [Trump's] own party should be aware of this stuff as well."

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment regarding the memos. In the past, Trump has declared, "I have nothing to do with Russia."

The FBI is certainly investigating the hacks attributed to Russia that have hit American political targets, including the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta, the chairman of Clinton's presidential campaign. But there have been few public signs of whether that probe extends to examining possible contacts between the Russian government and Trump. (In recent weeks, reporters in Washington have pursued anonymous online reports that a computer server related to the Trump Organization engaged in a high level of activity with servers connected to Alfa Bank, the largest private bank in Russia. On Monday, a Slate investigation detailed the pattern of unusual server activity but concluded, "We don't yet know what this [Trump] server was for, but it deserves further explanation." In an email to Mother Jones, Hope Hicks, a Trump campaign spokeswoman, maintains, "The Trump Organization is not sending or receiving any communications from this email server. The Trump Organization has no communication or relationship with this entity or any Russian entity.")

According to several national security experts, there is widespread concern in the US intelligence community that Russian intelligence, via hacks, is aiming to undermine the presidential election—to embarrass the United States and delegitimize its democratic elections. And the hacks appear to have been designed to benefit Trump. In August, Democratic members of the House committee on oversight wrote Comey to ask the FBI to investigate "whether connections between Trump campaign officials and Russian interests may have contributed to these [cyber] attacks in order to interfere with the US. presidential election." In September, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Rep. Adam Schiff, the senior Democrats on, respectively, the Senate and House intelligence committees, issued a joint statement accusing Russia of underhanded meddling: "Based on briefings we have received, we have concluded that the Russian intelligence agencies are making a serious and concerted effort to influence the U.S. election. At the least, this effort is intended to sow doubt about the security of our election and may well be intended to influence the outcomes of the election." The Obama White House has declared Russia the culprit in the hacking capers, expressed outrage, and promised a "proportional" response.

There's no way to tell whether the FBI has confirmed or debunked any of the allegations contained in the former spy's memos. But a Russian intelligence attempt to co-opt or cultivate a presidential candidate would mark an even more serious operation than the hacking.

In the letter Reid sent to Comey on Sunday, he pointed out that months ago he had asked the FBI director to release information on Trump's possible Russia ties. Since then, according to a Reid spokesman, Reid has been briefed several times. The spokesman adds, "He is confident that he knows enough to be extremely alarmed."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... nald-trump

[Iamwhomiam]

That a little crass, don't you think, Rory, and a bit of an overreach, no?

Yes, much of the news is distractive propaganda and it's being recorded here. You can accept that fact and look to discuss the impact this biased news has upon its readers, but why beat up the messenger?

Unfortunately, much of this particular load has far too much truth revealed to be entirely false.

You belittle slad for reporting warmongering propaganda and ignore commenting upon Trump's call to greatly enhance our military, as though she has the codes and not he, so who's being distracted, slad or you?

I don't wish to argue and don't request a response, I just want you to think about what I've written.

slad's not responsible for the tense anxiety being felt everywhere around the world, and she doesn't control or manufacture weapons of mass destruction, so you're barking up the wrong tree, dog.

P.S.:
I should note I began writing this after Rory's last comment on the previous page.

[seemslikeadream]

I am the only reason Rory continues to post here...think about that

[Rory]

That a little crass, don't you think, Rory, and a bit of an overreach, no?

Yes, much of the news is distractive propaganda and it's being recorded here. You can accept that fact and look to discuss the impact this biased news has upon its readers, but why beat up the messenger?

Unfortunately, much of this particular load has far too much truth revealed to be entirely false.

You belittle slad for reporting warmongering propaganda and ignore commenting upon Trump's call to greatly enhance our military, as though she has the codes and not he, so who's being distracted, slad or you?

I don't wish to argue and don't request a response, I just want you to think about what I've written.

slad's not responsible for the tense anxiety being felt everywhere around the world, and she doesn't control or manufacture weapons of mass destruction, so you're barking up the wrong tree, dog.

P.S.:
I should note I began writing this after Rory's last comment on the previous page.

This board is iterations of two data dumps. There isn't any discussion, despite your and others valiant effort

[seemslikeadream]

racist

I can't be. I'm Native American

How do you like Trump using Russian oligarch's steel for the pipeline Rory?

discuss that

[Iamwhomiam]

I doubt any secessions will occur because of the complexities involved in equitable water and power distribution. These guys are expendable asshats, really. And if Trump's true to his word, they should be refused entry upon their return.

[Rory]

I am the only reason Rory continues to post here...think about that

You and American Dream represent the the vast majority of posts on this board. Two topics, many threads.

[liminalOyster]

There's so much content-bleed across threads that I'm not sure where to post this so I'll just stick it here since I feel I've already been a bit of a loudmouth.

I'm curious as to how those who seem a bit more credulous about Putin as the head of the octopus integrate the role that Russia played in smearing our progressive-Left brethren last year. First, Jill Stein being trashed for her appearance at an RT anniversary dinner seated with Putin (and of course all the rather noxious speculation that progressive figureheads on RT are simply being used/duped.) Second, while Bernie was mostly tied to the historical USSR, there was clearly a potential campaign to red-bait him being whispered in the wings (honeymoon to Burlington's sister-city in the USSR, softball team named after the "People's Republic of Vermont," etc) - what if Bernie had won; then how would all this be shaking out? To me it seems extremely plausible that Bernie would also have been attacked as somehow (and ridiculously) in bed with Putin, no? Third, probably least consequentially but most intriguingly, I still think that Pussy Riot appearance on House of Cards really really reeks. I mean, realistically, we're being told that there's a multiple-decade long geopolitical strategy to promote internal dissent in the US to strengthen Russia and yet there would seem to be evidence of the inverse - Pussy Riot being fucking Hollwood darlings, appearing with HRC et al, and the very word pussy becoming rather closely associated with the most visible movement against Trump? Pussy Riot, Pussy Grabs Back, Pussy Hat, etc.

I'm just curious about the degree of conviction I'm witnessing here WRT the Russia-show. I certainly don't feel I'm defending Putin - would anyone in their right mind defend Putin? - or diminishing the extent that nasty nation-states play dirty on all sides. But does anyone here really question that we're rather suddenly being spoon fed a slick and calculated presentation intended to deflect from the real issues that were at stake during the election? Am I really just simple-minded or still haunted by a kind of idiotic proto-Leninism from my faded adolescence for buying the line that we've been experiencing an ongoing referendum on neoliberalism that offered us a series of Faustian decisions around the world (Scotland, Brexit, Trump, Bernie, etc) and the answer has usually seemed rather clear time and again?

A few years ago, while traveling through Colorado, I met a guy who had just come from the Aspen Institute which he'd attended in the role of infosec expert of some sort. He told me an anecdote - which I intuitively believed - about having earlier interned for MI6 and paper-shredding now declassified documents. One was a general threat assessment that ranked categories of events of social concern. Climate Change and Terrorism ranked high but the top of the list was Civil Unrest due to Economic Disaster. Assuming he was telling the truth, this seems relevant in so far as it makes me feel that the organs of social control have dramatically doubled down. To those - SLAD and Brekin esp. - who seem much more credulous about the big picture here ( I think but could be wrong - and also fully respect you've parsed much more material than me ), I'm curious how you integrate what seem to me like persistent disjuncts in the overall narrative arc?

edit: part of me really muses if the current PR campaign is nothing but a setup for creating the only single grounds on which HRC could run ever for president again in 2020: as the wronged prodigal daughter come home to usurp her stolen throne. Teaser: http://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/01 ... ders-stein

A friend posted this today on FB:

Let's not forget the republican agenda to wreck the country.

1. HR 861 Terminate the Environmental Protection Agency
2. HR 610 Vouchers for Public Education
3. HR 899 Terminate the Department of Education
4. HJR 69 Repeal Rule Protecting Wildlife
5. HR 370 Repeal Affordable Care Act
6. HR 354 Defund Planned Parenthood
7. HR 785 National Right to Work (this one ends unions)
8. HR 83 Mobilizing Against Sanctuary Cities Bill
9. HR 147 Criminalizing Abortion (“Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act”)
10. HR 808 Sanctions against Iran

So by talking non-stop about Trump/Russia even to the point of appointing a prosecutor so that this one story can be the ONLY story in the US for years, we are not talking about the above.

Which is the corporatocracy's actiual agenda.

And Dems and Repubs and the "news media" are well-rewarded members of the corporatocracy.

In answer to another thing you mentioned:

I'll defend Putin. What's not to defend. Can you lead Russia out of Yeltsin/US destroyed Russia without being a ruthless boss? Of course not.

Has Putin "made Russia great again"? Undoubtedly.

Has he brilliantly out-played the transnational gangsters of The West, who have tried to not only destroy him but lure him into a suicidal hot war? Absolutely.

Should we all be thankful Putin exists? Yes. He shut down a truly evil US/Saudi/Israeli terrorist overthrow in Syria, did it with brilliant efficiency and aplomb, and has called out the US on their dangerous and reckless belligerence. Putin is the only thing in the world stopping the US from becoming the Empire of Earth, subjugating it all under the yoke of corporate dictatorship. And so far he has prevented WW3 from possibly killing you, me, and anyone reading this (or those who never will).

Is he perfect? Name one person who is.


Was Pussy Riot's cameo on Sesson 3 of House of Cards offensive? Fuck yeah, that entire season played like it was written by the Obama State Department. Despicable propaganda. Victor Petrov as a Vladimir Putin impersonator? They even cast an actor who closely resembles Putin. It was so bad they almost made the Frank Underwood character look heroic. WHO THE FUCK WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT SEASON, especially considering that a Season 4 was fucking brilliant again, especially the last ten seconds?!

I don't necessarily dispute Putin's prowess but to the degree that it mirrors those most insidious behaviours of our own MIC/deep state/PTB, I would be pretty close to just as well defending the CIA and/or Pinochet with the obvious caveat that the "greater good" is based on a different vision of threat and stability. I also can't really loathe Putin and his ghoulish history without making an even more devout moral appeal against darkness at home. I suspect I do best to use these revelations against Putin to rope our domestic versions into greater public condemnation as well. Somehow the figure of Gloria Steinem speaking as cherished elder at the biggest single anti-Trump demonstration yet really effectively speaks to this for me. Granted it's only a poetic or symbolic linkage (rather than one of much gravity) but she makes a good example as her nefarious spooky legacy is for all intents nullified in the interest of the national, public greater good. Which is kind of sweetly nostalgic, really.

[seemslikeadream]

Rory adds so much

Rory has accused me of getting paid by MIC......

he just can't quit me...I wonder why he is so fixated on me?

I would never accuse Rory of getting paid by anyone


Playtime is over


The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

In the United States:

Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."

United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.

Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey

Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:26 am wrote:
Off topic copy pasta

Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:24 am wrote:
It's almost like you don't care about California scessision and just want to beat the war drum

Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:22 am wrote:
Many threads, just one topic.


Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:19 am wrote:
A meme so dank you posted it twice

Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:16 am wrote:
Death by meme or by copy pasta


Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:06 am wrote:
Just copy and paste anti Russian hysteria. Making money for the MiC


Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:00 am wrote:
Seemslikewarpropaganda


Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:53 am wrote:
Off topic, russiabaiting war hyping, hysteria.

There's just one topic - multiple iterations in different threads

Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:43 am wrote:
More off topic copypasta. Seemslikemccarthy

Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:36 am wrote:
SpamsLikeAmericanDream



Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:34 am wrote:
Oops. I should wait for your multiple edits and additions to finally flesh out your final post


Rory » Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:33 am wrote:
seemslikeadream » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:31 am wrote:
quit the personal attacks


Quit behaving like a copy pasta automaton


Rory » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:04 pm wrote:
It's a neat, if somewhat ridiculous solution to the mysteries.

Why Trump? Putin
Why corruption? Putin
Why Oscars screw up? Putin
Bad Traffic? Putin
Roof leak? Putin
Hangnail? Putin

ad reductio absurdum


Rory » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:56 pm wrote:
Nordic » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:28 pm wrote:
I can't believe you would post such nonsense.


In an ocean of risible redbaiting nonsense, this angle has to be the most ridiculous. Desperate, straw clutching stuff.


Rory » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:31 pm wrote:
9 sources. Omg.

Some German fella said something about repeating a lie often enough then it might become accepted

Rory » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:37 pm wrote:
Keep flogging that horse. It still ded


Rory » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:20 am wrote:
seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:19 pm wrote:
The Mysterious Disappearance of the Biggest Scandal in Washington
Whatever happened to the Trump-Russia story?


It never existed in the first place. #fakenews central


Rory » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:56 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:54 am wrote:
racist


I can't be. I'm Native American


Rory » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:03 pm wrote:
Repeating the lie doesn't make it any less false

[Rory]

Copy pasta. Like an automaton

[seemslikeadream]

I like facts contrary to Rory's postings he is only concerned with personally attacking me

now why would he want to do that?...cause he a NO FACTS kinda guy ...or maybe something else is at work here...who knows

NO FACTS only his limited key board abilities



I am your only reason for posting here
you should post some links once in awhile


I like this one

Dead since election day, all connected to the Christopher Steele dossier:

Sergei Krivov - blunt force trauma on election day in NY

Andrei Karlov - 12/19, assassinated in Turkey

Petr Polshikov - 12/20 - shot in head, found dead at home in Moscow

Yves Chandelon 12/23 - NATO Chief Auditor, gunshot to head, found dead in car in Belgium

Oleg Erovinkin - 12/26 - ex-KGB/FSB, found dead in car in Moscow

Andrei Melanin - 1/9 - found dead of "abnormal causes" on floor of apartment in Athens, Greece)

Vitaly Churkin - 2/20 - heart attack? in NY

Alex Oronov - 3/2

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/new ... an-meeting

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Rory is not a man of his word he does not keep his promises ...because of that I do not trust him..he will say anything

he lies about my motives for posting here...he lies about me...he is a proven liar about promises he has made ...he is not a man of his word and anything he has to say can be taken with that noted



my bold red

would you do something I ask of you?

Leave me the fuck alone now

yea it's a favor now do me a favor

I'll not quote you, or engage with you if that's what you want. I'll still comment on threads you're on