seemslikeadream » Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:38 pm wrote:I think it would be great if we could discuss this without the "Russian Hacking" angle. It seems to me that would be a good way to start since at this point no one can produce concrete evidence that the Russians were behind the actual hack, maybe yes maybe no...maybe it was inserted into the whole thing for some unknown reason but the evidence of trump and crew involvement with Russian oligarchs/mobsters conspiracy is overwhelming and I would like to stick to that aspect of it if possible.
Rory » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:06 pm wrote:The hacking angle is the lynchpin of the whole hysteria. It's where it all started, and the only thing the majority of the news consuming public are considering:
Russia hacked the election. That right there is the narrative.
Yes, It's clear that Russian businessmen and Russian banks and companies have dealings with Trump or his associates. But ditto for America, China, Germany, Ukraine, and a handful of other countries. The connection is Trump, money, and corruption. Without the lurid hacking angle then its just another tale of Trump getting his hands dirty.
The 'hacking' is where it all started and is absolutely central to any meta analysis.
Rex Tillerson’s name was suggested to Donald Trump by three establishment Republicans who represented him
Tillerson's company was a client of three insiders who suggested he be chosen to lead the Department of State
Rex Tillerson's name was suggested to Donald Trump by three establishment Republicans who represented him
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When President-elect Donald Trump selected Rex Tillerson to be his secretary of state, he consulted members of the Republican Party elite who have done business with ExxonMobil in the past.
Condoleezza Rice, Robert Gates, and Stephen Hadley were all instrumental in convincing Trump to choose Tillerson
American Dream » 23 Mar 2017 16:04 wrote:I think the most useful analysis is rooted in a broadly anti-imperialist "Fight the Power" perspective. This suggests a deep critique of the U.S., NATO, the Israeli State and those most closely aligned with this power bloc but also the governments of Russia, Iran, Syria etc. as representing competing elites far, far more than the working class Multitude.
liminalOyster wrote:Is there already a thread devoted to agnostic and/or slightly more woo synchronistic speculation about all this? I have no clue what is going on and am the first to admit it. If I'm missing the obvious big picture view, I'm really curious to hear more about it.
The data dumps are a fantastic resource but the only thread that I am aware of which is somewhat meta is still allied with the opinion that more or less the entirety of Russian involvement in our current miasma is a useful fiction.
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