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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby Harvey » Wed May 24, 2017 2:39 pm

According to Thierry Meyssan, Ramadan Abedi, father of the alleged bomber was directly involved a failed assassination attempt upon Qaddafi, for MI6. Remember David Shayler? For now there's no translation of this in English. Google translation:

Manchester, le MI6, Al-Qaïda, Daesh et les Abedi

According to Scotland Yard, the attack on spectators of the Ariana Grande concert at the Arena in Manchester on May 22, 2017 was committed by Salman Abedi, who fortunately found a bank card in the pocket of the shredded corpse of Terrorist ".

This attack is generally interpreted as evidence that the United Kingdom is not involved in international terrorism and, on the contrary, is a victim of it.

Salman Abedi was born in the United Kingdom to a family of Libyan immigrants. He has traveled to Libya several times in recent months, with or without his father.

The latter, with whom he lived, Ramadan Abedi, is a former officer of the Libyan intelligence services. He was specialized in monitoring the Islamist movement, but two decades later did not observe that his son had joined Daesh.

In 1992 Ramadan Abedi was returned by the British MI6 and participated in a Crown conspiracy to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi. The operation having been stolen, he was exfiltered by the MI6 and transferred to the United Kingdom where he obtained political asylum. He settled in 1999 in Whalley Range (south of Manchester) where the Libyan Islamist community of the United Kingdom resides.

In 1994 Ramadan Abedi returned to Libya on behalf of MI6. At the end of 1995, he took part in the creation of the Islamic Fighting Group in Libya (GICL), a local al-Qaeda branch, alongside Abdelhakim Belhaj. The GICL was then instructed by the MI6 to assassinate Muammar Gaddafi against 100,000 pounds sterling. This operation, which also failed, provoked lively debates in the services of His Majesty, including the resignation of our friend David Shayler.

Many former members of the LIFG also lived at Whalley Range, including Abedi's friend, Abd al-Baset Azzouz. In 2009, he joined Al-Qaeda in Pakistan and became a close friend of his leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri. In 2011, he participated on the ground in the operation of NATO against Libya. On September 11, 2012, he led the operation against the US Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, murdered in Benghazi. He was arrested in Turkey and extradited to the United States in December 2014, where he awaited trial.

It is not known whether Ramadan Abedi joined the LIFG members in 2005 to train Al-Qaeda in Iraq, and in 2011 he participated in the operation of the MI6 of the "Arab Spring" and the ground support role of the LIFG With NATO. In any case, he settled in Libya at the fall of Gaddafi and transferred his family there, leaving his grandchildren in the family home of Whalley Range.

According to former Spanish Prime Minister José María Aznar, Abdelhakim Belhaj participates in the attacks in Madrid on 11 March 2004. Later, he is secretly arrested in Malaysia by the CIA and transferred to Libya where he is tortured not by Libyan officials Or US, but by MI6 agents. He is finally released during the agreement between Saif el-islam Gaddafi and the jihadists. During the Libyan war, Belhaj, who is exiled to Qatar, joins Libya in an airplane of the emir and commands the ground operations in connection with NATO. On 28 July 2011, he organized the assassination of General Abdelfattah Younès, who claimed to have joined the "rebels", but whom he accused of having commanded the fight against the LIFG in the 1990s. In September 2011, Belhaj was appointed military governor Of Tripoli by NATO. In 2012, assisted by Irishman Mahdi al-Hatari, he created the Free Syrian Army, then returned to Libya. On May 2, 2014, he was received at the Quai d'Orsay. In December 2013, following the discovery in the archives of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya of a letter from the former head of MI6, he initiated proceedings in London against the United Kingdom for having abducted and tortured him for nine years earlier. The British secret services then illegally tip its lawyers and will ultimately be forced to destroy these recordings. According to the Attorney General of Egypt, Hichem Baraket, in May 2015, Belhaj becomes the main leader of Daesh in North Africa; Information taken over by Interpol. Belhaj is installing three training camps from Daesh in Libya to Derna (in the former Abd al-Baset Azzouz property), Sirte and Sebrata. In October 2016, he opened a new procedure in London for his abduction and torture, this time nominally against former MI6 director Sir Mark Allen.

Daesh claimed responsibility for the Manchester bombing, but without qualifying Salman Abedi as a "martyr". After the attack, Ramadan Abedi declared his hostility to jihad to journalists who joined him by telephone. He also said his son planned to spend the month of Ramadan with him in Libya and was persuaded of his innocence.

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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 24, 2017 3:04 pm

Not OT:

A Philadelphia man has been exonerated and freed from prison 24 years after he was found guilty of a murder he did not commit.

Shaurn Thomas, 43, was released after the Philadelphia District Attorney's office agreed that the evidence did not support the conviction.

Mr Thomas, who was 19 when found guilty, maintained all along he was at another court hearing during the crime.

"I feel wonderful," he said as he left the prison.

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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby DrEvil » Wed May 24, 2017 4:04 pm

Mac wrote:
Who the fuck is LEAKING it to the United States


Come on, this one's pretty simple. No one is leaking anything to the US. UK intelligence is practically just a branch of US intelligence. What the UK knows the US knows, and someone in the US is leaking the info they got through standard intelligence sharing to the press.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 24, 2017 5:17 pm

DrEvil » Wed May 24, 2017 3:04 pm wrote:
Mac wrote:
Who the fuck is LEAKING it to the United States


Come on, this one's pretty simple. No one is leaking anything to the US. UK intelligence is practically just a branch of US intelligence. What the UK knows the US knows, and someone in the US is leaking the info they got through standard intelligence sharing to the press.


I've never known it to be this blatant. And as I write this, even the Guardian is also now using the word "leaks" and leading with the following story:

Manchester attack: government 'furious' at US leaks of forensic photographs – live updates


1m ago
22:06 [GMT]
The National Police Chiefs’ Council has waded into the row over US leaks. Its counter-terrorism policing spokesperson said:

We greatly value the important relationships we have with our trusted intelligence, law enforcement and security partners around the world. These relationships enable us to collaborate and share privileged and sensitive information that allows us to defeat terrorism and protect the public at home and abroad.

When that trust is breached it undermines these relationships, and undermines our investigations and the confidence of victims, witnesses and their families. This damage is even greater when it involves unauthorised disclosure of potential evidence in the middle of a major counter terrorism investigation.



22m ago
21:45
Theresa May will chair a meeting of the government’s emergency committee, Cobra, tomorrow morning, Downing Street has said


27m ago
21:39
Ministers 'furious' at US leaks

The UK government has expressed its anger after photographs apparently showing fragments from the Manchester bomb were leaked to the New York Times. A Whitehall source said:

We are furious. This is completely unacceptable. These images leaked from inside the US system will be distressing for victims, their families and the wider public. The issue is being raised at every relevant level by the British authorities with their US counterparts.


The images appeared just hours after the home secretary, Amber Rudd, told the US authorities not to leak information. That came after details about the attack emerged in American media on Tuesday before being confirmed by British police. Rudd had said that she was “irritated” by the early release of Salman Abedi’s name and had made “very clear” to American counterparts that no further leaks should happen.

The row goes to the heart of the close intelligence-sharing relationship between the transatlantic allies and provides an awkward backdrop to Theresa May’s meeting with the US president, Donald Trump, at the Nato summit in Brussels on Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/liv ... -live-news


The USA is easily the world's greatest exponent and exporter of terrorism, and has been for decades, especially since the 9/11 inside job. These notoriously murderous & duplicitous CIA shits should be nowhere near any intelligence gathering exercise in the UK. The smugly anonymous fuckers responsible for these multiple leaks should all be named, then arrested and/or deported, without ceremony.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 24, 2017 5:26 pm

^^If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas dead children.

To hell with the CIA and all its works. Hell's where those spooks come from and hell's where they belong. They are the most untrustworthy bastards on the face of the planet, and they are responsible for untold millions of deaths. I want them out of my native country and every other country. If Americans choose to let them flourish on their own soil, that's their business.

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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed May 24, 2017 5:59 pm

Manchester attack: Who was Salman Abedi?
5 minutes ago
From the section UK

Police have named 22-year-old Salman Ramadan Abedi as the person suspected of carrying out the suicide attack at Manchester Arena on Monday evening.

The BBC understands that Abedi was a "mule" carrying out the attack for a larger network of collaborators, which is being investigated by Greater Manchester Police.

[...]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40019135


I noticed the BBC using this term last night and thought it peculiar. They're still using it tonight. I have never yet heard them refer to any "suicide bomber" -- whether proven or merely "suspected" (sic) -- as a "mule". Normally, the term is only ever used to denote someone who is transporting drugs or money, usually for a fee, sometimes inadvertently.

The BBC wrote:The BBC understands


Yeah, well, congratulations, BBC, you're very brainy indeed. Well done. But would you mind telling us what leads you to understand that? Could it possibly be that your trusted spook informants know that this 22-year-old boy, far from being a suicidal mass-murderer of children, had no idea at all that he was carrying a bomb?

I think we should be told. Especially those of us who pay a compulsory fucking licence-fee for your impartial delivery of the truth.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby KUAN » Thu May 25, 2017 1:00 am

As reported here
The Manchester bomber's sister has claimed he was driven to murder because he wanted revenge for "the explosives America drops on children in Syria".


Not to take away from the speculation on RI, but that would figure too, no?
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby JackRiddler » Thu May 25, 2017 1:22 am

The alleged leak is in the hall of mirrors. There's no way to know who's initiating, on which side of the Atlantic, for what reason. That the story stinks is pretty clear in this case. I'd like to see confirmation from source other than Meyssan that Abedi the father was in on the MI6 plot to assassinate Gaddafi (the one revealed back in a day by Shayler). Because that is really an interesting piece, if so.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby KUAN » Thu May 25, 2017 1:34 am

I knew mine was a stupid post.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby Harvey » Thu May 25, 2017 5:13 am

JackRiddler » Thu May 25, 2017 6:22 am wrote:The alleged leak is in the hall of mirrors. There's no way to know who's initiating, on which side of the Atlantic, for what reason. That the story stinks is pretty clear in this case. I'd like to see confirmation from source other than Meyssan that Abedi the father was in on the MI6 plot to assassinate Gaddafi (the one revealed back in a day by Shayler). Because that is really an interesting piece, if so.


Indeed. No independent confirmation on Ramadan Abedi so far, but there's already a lot known about Belhadj who was implicated in the 2004 Madrid bombings by many media outlets, despite the access to Washington insiders he continues to enjoy. Here he is shaking hands with US Senator John McCain.

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Washington Times:

Major news out of Libya as Abdelhakim Belhadj, the former head of the al Qaeda-linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, and a major player in the U.S.-backed overthrow of Moammar Gadhafi, has reportedly joined the Islamic State and is leading its forces there. This according to The Blaze National Security journalist Sara Carter on Twitter, and Fox News’ Catherine Herridge in a Fox News report.

Belhadj’s ties to al Qaeda were controversial during the run up to U.S. airstrikes in support of the Libyan rebels, but this did not prevent him from maintaining a high profile at the time, including being made head of the Tripoli Military Council, a position he held until resigning to run for office in May 2012. Belhadj has a reputation for involvement in the international jihad has well, playing a role in the 2004 Madrid training [sic] bombings, and accused by investigators of being involved in the murder of two Tunisian politicians at behest of the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ly-leads-/


More on LIFG here:

LIFG also appears on the US State Department's list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations. Astoundingly, it appears under a section titled, "Delisted Foreign Terrorist Organizations," and indicates that it was removed as recently as 2015.

Elsewhere on the US State Department's website, is a 2012 report where LIFG is described:

On November 3, 2007, [Al Qaeda (AQ)] leader Ayman al-Zawahiri announced a formal merger between AQ and LIFG. However, on July 3, 2009, LIFG members in the United Kingdom released a statement formally disavowing any association with AQ.

The report also makes mention of LIFG's role in US-led NATO regime change operations in Libya in 2011 (emphasis added):

In early 2011, in the wake of the Libyan revolution and the fall of Qadhafi, LIFG members created the LIFG successor group, the Libyan Islamic Movement for Change (LIMC), and became one of many rebel groups united under the umbrella of the opposition leadership known as the Transitional National Council. Former LIFG emir and LIMC leader Abdel Hakim Bil-Hajj was appointed the Libyan Transitional Council's Tripoli military commander during the Libyan uprisings and has denied any link between his group and AQ.

Indeed, a literal senior Al Qaeda-affiliate leader would head the regime put into power by US-led military operations - which included British forces.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/uk-government-harbored-terrorists.html


And this in the Telegraph from 2011:

Abdulhakim Belhadj, head of the Tripoli Military Council and the former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, "met with Free Syrian Army leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey," said a military official working with Mr Belhadj. "Mustafa Abdul Jalil (the interim Libyan president) sent him there."

The "covert operation" was immediately laid bare when a rival Libyan rebel brigade detained Belhaj at Tripoli airport, accused him of travelling on a fake passport, and declared they would jail the senior military leader.

Only a letter from the country's interim president was enough to persuade them to let him leave the country.

The meetings came as a sign of a growing ties between Libya's fledgling government and the Syrian opposition. The Daily Telegraph on Saturday revealed that the new Libyan authorities had offered money and weapons to the growing insurgency against Bashar al-Assad.

Mr Belhaj also discussed sending Libyan fighters to train troops, the source said. Having ousted one dictator, triumphant young men, still filled with revolutionary fervour, are keen to topple the next. The commanders of armed gangs still roaming Tripoli's streets said yesterday that "hundreds" of fighters wanted to wage war against the Assad regime.

"Everyone wants to go. We have liberated our country, now we should help others," said the commander of the 'Fighting Village' brigade, "This is freedom. This is Arab unity".

Increasing volumes of video footage have been uploaded to YouTube of Syrians calling on Libyans to join their fight. In a clip backed by dramatic musical effects, a veiled Syrian woman entreats men from Misurata, the west Libyan city that fought off a month-long siege by forces loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi, to come to save her country.

"We cannot say no to a woman," said Misurata rebel Lutfy el-Amin. "Many men are readying themselves. If they can they will go to join the fight".

Members of the Free Syrian Army on the borders of Lebanon and Turkey denied rumours circulating in Tripoli that "hundreds" of Libyans had tried to cross into Syria.

Newspapers reported on Saturday that four Libyan men had been caught on the Turkish border trying to infiltrate into the country. The grand design envisioned by Mr Belhaj and the Libyan authorities is still in its nascent stage.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... group.html


And of course, toward your first point:

In the early hours of the morning of the 23rd May – approximately 02.35BST NDTV via the Washington Post stated quite categorically that: “U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, identified the assailant as Salman Abedi. They did not provide information about his age or nationality, and British officials declined to comment on the suspect’s identity.” This was published at a time when British police and security services were refusing to make any statements as to who they thought the perpetrators were because at the time, they were dealing with the immediate aftermath of the event.

Quite how unnamed ‘US Officials’ wishing to remain anonymous correctly identified the exact individual exactly four hours after the incident from 3,500 miles away is anyone’s guess, particularly when British police and security services continued to make no such statement.

At around the same time this tweet appears from columnist/lobby correspondent at The New York Observer Andre Walker. There is probably a good reason why he is in Manchester. He clearly states on his Twitter account that this image is a FAKE. I am reliably informed that the image is in fact the Manchester Arena exit doors from straight after the bombing and the devastation is evident. How this journalist got this image quite so fast without actually being there just two minutes after Greater Manchester Police put out a Tweet stating that they were now responding to serious incident is difficult to understand.

75 minutes after the incident happened not one single journalist from Sky News or the BBC was anywhere near the scene. This could be for all sorts of valid reasons, not least because the police may well have cordoned off the area. But reports on both Sky and the BBC were very sketchy and confused. Yet two minutes from the incident itself a reporter from an American media outlet, issues images of the carnage (that are not retweets according to his own account).

According to an eagle eyed and well known blogger, Andre Walker’s employer is no less than Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner. And that after numerous emails and requests for information “André’s gone to ground: he hasn’t responded to tweets and emails.”

Just before 06.00 hrs 23rd May, Greater Manchester police are sure that there is one perpetrator and that he is male and blew himself up in a suicide mission. They confirm that there are 22 victims who died and 59 others with injuries at hospitals. No names are mentioned.

Less than an hour later GMP are also appealing for witnesses and any dash-cam or mobile footage to help with their enquiries.

At 06.53 hrs Greater Manchester police release first official information that they have made an arrest – but still no names.

http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdo ... dont-know/


"75 minutes after the incident happened not one single journalist from Sky News or the BBC was anywhere near the scene."

It's worth commenting that if you know the area, and I've walked through it many times, you know that the biggest concentration of television, news and media in the North of England is less than a ten minute walk away.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby Harvey » Thu May 25, 2017 7:17 am

Seems to indicate a possible source for some of the claims:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05 ... anchester/
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby semper occultus » Sat May 27, 2017 11:38 am

Cordelia » 23 May 2017 20:24 wrote:22 killed on the 22nd by a 22 year old. :shock: :shock:


Yet the man lauded by bomber Salman Abedi's father on his Facebook page was no innocent friend. Anas had a sinister past, with links into the heart of Osama Bin Laden's Al Qaeda terror group.

Named by President George W Bush as one of the 22 most dangerous people in the world, Anas fled Manchester in May 2000 just before an MI5 raid of his flat following a tip-off from the FBI.


www.dailymail.co.uk

He is thought to have bought the black 35-litre Karrimor Jura bag, which has distinctive grey trim and turquoise lining, for £22 in a branch of discount retailer Sports Direct.

www.dailymail.co.uk

....all very odd....esp as

..here.. it cost £24.99

and ..and here.. it cost £36.99
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun May 28, 2017 8:52 pm

What is this shit? What is it intended to prove? Why have these images so obviously been manipulated? Why is there no timestamp? Why has the background been blacked out?

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CCTV images showing suicide bomber Salman Abedi on the night he attacked the Manchester Arena [oh really??] killing 22 people have been released by police.
Fourteen locations are being searched and 13 men are in custody on suspicion of terror offences.
Abedi's identity was known within two hours of Monday's attack, police said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40072786


I predict that no "member" of this alleged "network" will ever be charged in connection with this crime. I also predict that those crassly manipulated images are the closest we will ever get to "proof" that this deceased 22-year-old did what he is alleged to have done.
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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun May 28, 2017 9:04 pm

Meanwhile, from The Memory Hole, four days ago:

MacCruiskeen » Wed May 24, 2017 4:59 pm wrote:
Manchester attack: Who was Salman Abedi?
5 minutes ago
From the section UK

Police have named 22-year-old Salman Ramadan Abedi as the person suspected of carrying out the suicide attack at Manchester Arena on Monday evening.

The BBC understands that Abedi was a "mule" carrying out the attack for a larger network of collaborators, which is being investigated by Greater Manchester Police.

[...]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40019135


I noticed the BBC using this term last night and thought it peculiar. They're still using it tonight. I have never yet heard them refer to any "suicide bomber" -- whether proven or merely "suspected" (sic) -- as a "mule". Normally, the term is only ever used to denote someone who is transporting drugs or money, usually for a fee, sometimes inadvertently.

The BBC wrote:The BBC understands


Yeah, well, congratulations, BBC, you're very brainy indeed. Well done. But would you mind telling us what leads you to understand that? Could it possibly be that your trusted spook informants know that this 22-year-old boy, far from being a suicidal mass-murderer of children, had no idea at all that he was carrying a bomb?

I think we should be told. Especially those of us who pay a compulsory fucking licence-fee for your impartial delivery of the truth.


Guess what? The BBC have now changed he wording of that report -- without indicating that they had done so:

Police have named 22-year-old Salman Ramadan Abedi as the person who carried out the suicide bomb attack at Manchester Arena on Monday evening.
It is thought Abedi was one of a larger network of collaborators, which is being investigated by Greater Manchester Police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40019135


Amazing. All mention of this boy being a "mule" has disappeared been disappeared, surreptitiously but very decisively. And not one word of explanation is given for this remarkable revision.

MacCruiskeen » Wed May 24, 2017 4:59 pm wrote:

The BBC understands that Abedi was a "mule" carrying out the attack for a larger network of collaborators, which is being investigated by Greater Manchester Police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40019135



The BBC understands that "the intelligence community" was not pleased to see that passing reference to the alleged "suicide bomber" being a mere "mule". The BBC understands which side its bread is buttered on. The BBC understands that its salary depends on it not understanding certain things. And the BBC understands that its readers & viewers are donkeys, who will swallow whatever shit they are fed and be jolly grateful for it.

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Re: Manchester concert incident

Postby elfismiles » Mon May 29, 2017 2:11 am

Friday night I was driving home from a party and heard a BBC panel discussion that had a couple interesting bits including the suggestion that the bomber was taken advantage of by terrorist recruiters taking advantage of a "random" gang killing - and that a military dude (Colonel Richard Kemp - ex-UK Cabinet Office's International Terrorism team) was speaking out in favor of round-ups and deportations. The first half of the show is more on architectural / city design approaches versus the second half that starts with "revelations" I'd not heard anywhere else about the gang angle.

Would be curious to hear from our UK RI'rs on this broadcast/podcast.

How Can We Make Our Cities Safe?
Newshour Extra

In the wake of the suicide bomb attack at a concert venue in Manchester, Newshour Extra this week is asking how major cities around the world can minimise the risk to their citizens from such atrocities. Owen Bennett Jones and his guests consider urban security, counter-terrorism, and the compromises different cities make between civil liberties and public safety.

Photo: an armed policeman and a soldier patrol the streets of London, 24th May 2017.

Available now
50 minutes

http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselecto ... 53zbpc.mp3

http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselecto ... 53zbpc.mp3

Contributors

Dominic Casciani - BBC Home Affairs correspondent

Dr Sally Leivesley - advises companies and governments on security and public protection.

Rebecca Skellett - runs the Strong Cities Network at the Institute of Strategic Dialogue

Professor Bill Durodie - Chair of International Relations at the University of Bath focussing on risk, resilience and the politics of fear

Also interviews with:

Buddy Dyer - Mayor of Orlando, in charge during the Pulse nightclub shootings last year which killed 50 people

Colonel Richard Kemp - ex-UK Cabinet Office's International Terrorism team.

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