Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:58 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:40 pm wrote:
km artlu » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:07 am wrote:Whatever I may have learned about reading people tells me that birthday girl is telling the truth. Did security personnel file a report? Have they been interviewed by investigators? If so, I haven't seen or heard any mention of it.


My first thought was that the security team could verify that.

My second thought was that they actually couldn't because this is an active investigation.


That excuse serves to silence all questions indefinitely, which is why it's so often wheeled out.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby 82_28 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:05 pm

Reddit's Trumpkins on the Vegas shooting, before and after they learned it was a rich old white man

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:20 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:58 pm wrote:That excuse serves to silence all questions indefinitely, which is why it's so often wheeled out.


But it's not an "excuse," is it? It's a fucking thing, bud. It is a factor.

Sure, it's unfair as heck that the powers that be can leak whatever the fuck they please with nary a consequence. Every "active investigation" is shared with the media to the extent that those details are useful for shaping public opinion and protecting bureaucrat ass. It's a joke, and a bad one.

The fact this ritual sacrifice was a Live Nation production only adds to the opacity. They know how to wield an NDA, and do so often.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:29 pm

Yeah, I know, WR. But they've already caught the designated culprit, right? That "lone wolf". So how long will this "investigation" remain "active"?

(Is 9/11 still "an active investigation"? Serious question.)

It's not just the US, of course. The Parsons Green Tube farce in London was another "active investigation" conducted as a live TV reality-soap, with several named & photographed "suspects" dragged through the media and vilified while being held and interrogated for a full week before they were quietly released. Population frightened, job done; "investigation" still "active", so ask no questions (not that anyone ever does).
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:50 pm



Las Vegas Gunman May Have First Planned to Attack Chance the Rapper and Lorde Concert
Stephen Paddock rented condos overlooking the ‘Life Is Beautiful’ festival last month, a senior law enforcement source tells The Daily Beast.

MICHAEL DALY

10.03.17 2:50 PM ET
LAS VEGAS—The gunman who murdered at least 59 people at a country-music concert on Sunday might have originally targeted another Las Vegas music festival held the previous weekend, according to a senior law enforcement source.
Stephen Paddock rented multiple condos overlooking the annual Life Is Beautiful Festival, which this year was headlined by Lorde and Chance the Rapper, said the source, who is not directly involved in the investigation but has been briefed on its progress.
In an effort to confirm the report, The Daily Beast visited the Ogden, a 21-story luxury condominium tower with a line of sight to the concert-grounds.
“We're not in a position to confirm or deny anything about Mr. Paddock's dealings. I suggest you contact Metro [police]. As you know this is an on going investigation,” said Melissa Warren, public affairs officer for Fais Foley Warren, owner of the Ogden
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:53 pm

Apparently deleted from Facebook, still up on YouTube:

Vegas Shooting Taxi Driver's Video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Ef7HObspB0

"Why aren't people running?" "Where are the cops at?" Etc.

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They took this down from Facebook because it clearly shows the shooter on the 4th Floor. [??] It had over 2million views and 15000 comments. They were deleting peoples comments and now it's gone. Its a Cover Up!

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Panicked people hail down the taxi at about the 9-minute mark. Up till then the driver is just baffled as to what's going on.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:30 pm

What Did He Do?

By JOSH MARSHALL Published OCTOBER 3, 2017 4:34 PM

It’s probably just a detail in a horrific story, rather than something that will be critical to understanding it. But I wanted to flag one aspect of the story. What did Stephen Paddock do for a living? And where did he get his money?

There have been reports, though not really confirmed, that he was actually a wealthy man, perhaps a real investor. He wired his girlfriend $100,000 a week ago. He also reportedly rented a series of condos over another outdoor concert that he had apparently considered attacking before choosing this country music concert. Those certainly suggest a decent amount of liquid assets, though if you knew you were about to end your life a middle-class person could likely sell things and come up with that amount of cash.

The Washington Post says “He liked to bet big, wagering tens of thousands of dollars in a sitting. He owned homes in four states but preferred staying in casino hotels, sometimes for weeks at a time, as he worked the gambling machines.” Card counters and professional card players can win over time at casinos. But most people don’t. And it doesn’t sound like Paddock did the kind of gambling where you can win, over time.

There’s also this new AP story which seems to suggest he hadn’t been employed in almost thirty years. According to this timeline, he worked for the post office from 1976 to 1978. He graduated college in 1977. He worked as an IRS agent from 1978 to 1984. He then worked for a defense auditing job for a year and a half. The AP also says he “worked for a defense contractor in the late 1980s.”

I haven’t seen any specific statement that he was not employed for the last 25 to 30 years. That Post article I mentioned above says that family members say he was worth more than $2 million, that “he made a small fortune from real estate deals and a business that he and Eric Paddock sold off.”

Here’s the thing though, the Post describes a gambling habit that seems hard to reconcile with being worth just two million dollars.

Here’s another passage …

“It’s like a job for him. It’s a job where you make money,” said Eric Paddock, adding that his brother could lose $1 million and still have enough to live on. “He was at the hotel for four months one time. It was like a second home.”

He recalled one time when the entire family took over the top floor of the Atlantis at the casino’s expense.

His brother was very particular about the games he played. “It had to be the right machine with double points, and there has to be a contest going on. He won a car one time,” Eric Paddock said.

“He’s known. He’s a top player. He’s the small end of the big fish.”

I’m not a gambler. I lack some gene that makes it interesting. I don’t know a great deal about it. But I do know that the house wins. That’s the business. There are certain games with an element of skill where you can win. But on machines? That doesn’t sound right to me. Casinos roll out the red carpet for very rich people who like to gamble for high stakes. It sounds like Paddock was one of those people. But again, I think you need to be worth a lot more than $2 million to gamble like that for a long time.

Read through that Post article it sounds like Paddock gambled for high stakes a lot. He also had multiple residential properties around the country. There is apparently a huge amount of travel. As I said, this probably doesn’t have an immediate connection to the crime. And regardless of what Paddock did or how he got his money, it won’t bring anyone back to life. But something pretty substantial seems missing from this story.
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Sheriff: Shooter Had Cameras Inside And Outside His Hotel Room

By MATT SHUHAM Published OCTOBER 3, 2017 5:17 PM
Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo confirmed Tuesday that the alleged gunman behind the massacre in Las Vegas had positioned cameras in- and outside of his hotel room before shooting into a crowd of outdoor concert-goers hundreds of yards away.

“I’m not aware of any transmission but there was cameras,” Lombardo told a reporter at a press conference Tuesday afternoon. “There was cameras outside of the room and inside of the room along with the firearms.”

He added: “I anticipate he was looking for anybody coming to take him into custody.”

The Washington Post, citing two unnamed people close to the investigation, reported Tuesday that alleged gunman Stephen Craig Paddock “used remote video cameras linked to a tablet in order to keep an eye out for police storming his hotel room.”

Lombardo also said Tuesday that officials had identified all but three victims of the shooting, which has claimed 59 lives.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:53 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:29 pm wrote:(Is 9/11 still "an active investigation"? Serious question.)


LMFAO! That's a good serious question...I'm betting it is.

Reminds me of this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... /16851775/

WASHINGTON — The United States is in a perpetual state of national emergency.

Thirty separate emergencies, in fact.

An emergency declared by President Jimmy Carter on the 10th day of the Iranian hostage crisis in 1979 remains in effect almost 35 years later.

A post-9/11 state of national emergency declared by President George W. Bush — and renewed six times by President Obama — forms the legal basis for much of the war on terror.

Tuesday, President Obama informed Congress he was extending another Bush-era emergency for another year, saying "widespread violence and atrocities" in the Democratic Republic of Congo "pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the foreign policy of the United States."

Those emergencies, declared by the president by proclamation or executive order, give the president extraordinary powers — to seize property, call up the National Guard and hire and fire military officers at will.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:55 pm

Same paper: 9/11 still under investigation as of 2015.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... /70423820/

WASHINGTON — Fourteen years after the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, a disagreement persists within the FBI over whether others inside the U.S. had advance knowledge of the operation and supported the suicide hijackers, a special review commission found.

The commission, mandated by Congress to assess the FBI's continuing anti-terror capabilities, said the FBI's 9/11 investigation into a potential broader conspiracy remains open and "active.''
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:58 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:29 pm wrote:
(Is 9/11 still "an active investigation"? Serious question.)


Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection
by seemslikeadream » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:21 am
'Will the 9/11 Case Finally Go to Trial?': Andrew Cockburn on New Evidence Linking Saudis to Attacks
Saudi Arabia is already trying to change the law so that they can’t be sued.
By Amy Goodman / Democracy Now! September 15, 2017, 1:53 PM GMT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZtXlqv97B0
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:19 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:53 pm wrote:Apparently deleted from Facebook, still up on YouTube:

Vegas Shooting Taxi Driver's Video



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... Ef7HObspB0

"Why aren't people running?" "Where are the cops at?" Etc.

Chris Luther
13 hours ago
They took this down from Facebook because it clearly shows the shooter on the 4th Floor. [??] It had over 2million views and 15000 comments. They were deleting peoples comments and now it's gone. Its a Cover Up!

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Panicked people hail down the taxi at about the 9-minute mark. Up till then the driver is just baffled as to what's going on.


Wow. Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that the driver didn't move in between the blaring sound of nearby automatic gunfire and the muffled sound of automatic gunfire at around the 1 or 2 minute mark? (Sorry, I'm watching on a work computer and my audio cut out at the 13 minute mark.) It really sounds like there was triangulated crossfire to me from at least two separate locations.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:20 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:58 pm wrote:
MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:29 pm wrote:
(Is 9/11 still "an active investigation"? Serious question.)


Investigating Saudi Government 9/11 Connection
by seemslikeadream » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:21 am
'Will the 9/11 Case Finally Go to Trial?': Andrew Cockburn on New Evidence Linking Saudis to Attacks
Saudi Arabia is already trying to change the law so that they can’t be sued.
By Amy Goodman / Democracy Now! September 15, 2017, 1:53 PM GMT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZtXlqv97B0
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37472&start=60


Thanks. So the answer is: Yes, the 9/11 "investigation" is still "active", like a galvanised corpse, whenever it suits them to switch on the current

No surprise, by the way, to see Amy Goodperson Amy Goodsalary "investigating" only where (and when) it's safe for her good salary to do so. (Upton Sinclair had her number eighty years ago.) I suppose those omnipotent Saudis ran the US visa office in Jeddah, controlled US airspace on September 11th, delayed the "investigation" for over a year, and then appointed first Kissinger and then Zelikow to head it, not to mention their dastardly suspension of the laws of physics, plus everything else mentioned in Jeff's Coincidence Theorist's Guide.

It's all teevee all the time now. (Good salaries can be earned there.) Let no one claim they weren't warned.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:29 pm

What ...no mention of Crafty Cockburn...who Ms. Goodsalary was interviewing?? :lol:
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:32 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:19 pm wrote:...

Wow. Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that the driver didn't move in between the blaring sound of nearby automatic gunfire and the muffled sound of automatic gunfire at around the 1 or 2 minute mark? (Sorry, I'm watching on a work computer and my audio cut out at the 13 minute mark.) It really sounds like there was triangulated crossfire to me from at least two separate locations.


I don't know, Robert, and I have to confess I didn't watch the whole thing (skipped through the middle of it). Thought it worth linking to in any case, for the record and in case it gets deleted.

One of the most laughable things about the Parsons Green Tube Farce was the police's subsequent vocal annoyance about some passengers having filmed the still-visibly-intact "bomb" that caused the alleged "wall of fire" in that still-visibly-pristine train carriage. Naughty eyewitnesses, recording evidence and putting themselves in danger like that! Where will it all end? There should be a law aganst it, and no doubt there will be soon.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:53 pm

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:32 pm wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:19 pm wrote:...

Wow. Is it just me, or did anyone else notice that the driver didn't move in between the blaring sound of nearby automatic gunfire and the muffled sound of automatic gunfire at around the 1 or 2 minute mark? (Sorry, I'm watching on a work computer and my audio cut out at the 13 minute mark.) It really sounds like there was triangulated crossfire to me from at least two separate locations.


I don't know, Robert, and I have to confess I didn't watch the whole thing (skipped through the middle of it). Thought it worth linking to in any case, for the record and in case it gets deleted.

One of the most laughable things about the Parsons Green Tube Farce was the police's subsequent vocal annoyance about some passengers having filmed the still-visibly-intact "bomb" that caused the alleged "wall of fire" in that still-visibly-pristine train carriage. Naughty eyewitnesses, recording evidence and putting themselves in danger like that! Where will it all end? There should be a law aganst it, and no doubt there will be soon.


Thanks for linking this, Mac. It really pisses me off (but doesn't surprise me) that Facebook is flexing their Big Brother muscle while people are still sorting through the evidence to make sense of this story.

One more note: at about the six minute mark, the driver said the shots came from the 10th floor. Those loud shots were so loud that I don't buy the explanations by debunkers in the comment section of the youtube link that it was the same floor, but two separate windows. The difference in volume is just too great to account for that explanation.

Oh, the police were mad about evidence floating around that they didn't put out exists? So typical of their urge to control the narrative. I know in this fucked-up country they try their damndest to keep civilians from filming them; they probably will try to pass laws like that in the UK.
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