So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for $?

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So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for $?

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:07 pm

I first became acquainted online with Richard Charnin at Democratic Underground where he posted under the name TruthIsAll until 2005. Then he posted under the same name at Progressive Independent. I didn't interact with him there too much, though there was one time when the subject of 9/11 and the statistical odds against MIC complicity came up and I asked if he could calculate the odds against all the wargames happening on 9/11 being a coincidence. He kind of dismissed that question to say the real question I should be asking is about the odds against the towers collapsing without explosives and then proceeded to answer his own question. PI then devolved into a Leninist death cult before ceasing to exist. But I noticed he posts here under his own name, usually in the Stolen Election forum or the Assassinations forum, though he hasn't posted in a couple years.

Strange to see his name pop up in the news today regarding Roy Moore's desperate attempt to stop the certification of Doug Jones to the Senate. The sore loser cited Richard Charnin as one of his experts.

What the hell is going on here? Is he just doing this for the money or does he actually believe Roy Moore legitimately won the election? Is anyone here in touch with him so we can get a straight answer?
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:25 pm

Leninist death cult ... :)

you know it never really ended...The Bell has everything from PI...Progressive Independent LIVES! except for what they wanted to delete...and then there is that spin off :lol:



interesting

I remember him from DU also

you know he signed up here but hasn't posted in almost 2 years

I have looked at his blog over the years but found nothing to speak of

but I did get an email up date just today about Roy Moore

https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com

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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:48 pm

seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:25 pm wrote:Leninist death cult ... :)

you know it never really ended...The Bell has everything from PI...except for what they wanted to delete...and then there is that spin off :lol:



interesting

I remember him from DU also

you know he signed up here but hasn't posted in almost 2 years

I have looked at his blog over the years but found nothing to speak of

but I did get an email up date just today about Roy Moore

https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com

:P
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I have to confess the "Leninist death cult" jab is not my original. I believe Jeff Wells said it first about PI.

But that book jacket kind of answers my question. Richard Charnin is no Greg Palast.
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:46 pm

speaking of the judge...his horse has been talking to Bill Kristol :P


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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:18 pm

I sure hope they find the Virgin Mary. Hope she's not wandering around some Alabama mall! :rofl:

I found that Jeff Wells quote about PI:

Jeff Wells » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:37 am wrote:You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege? :shock:

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:48 pm

stillrobertpaulsen wrote: that book jacket kind of answers my question. Richard Charnin is no Greg Palast.


Have you looked over his data for this election? I always thought he did good objective work based on numbers. If his data tells him Trump won the vote, or that Moore may have won the vote, I don't think it's necessarily partisan; no more so than his claim that Bernie Sanders won the "true" primary vote makes him a left-wing troll.

Maybe you could just write him a note at his blog?
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:17 pm

maybe Roy should drop him a note ..he could use all the help he can get

there is still time he hasn't conceded yet
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Postby norton ash » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:42 pm

It just looks like a grifter taking advantage of a crazy old man. Pretty common.
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:10 pm

I think Richard has run some other numbers

his name is all over the news right now and they are spelling it correctly

he maybe could have told Moore where to file

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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:37 pm

Elvis » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:48 pm wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen wrote: that book jacket kind of answers my question. Richard Charnin is no Greg Palast.


Have you looked over his data for this election? I always thought he did good objective work based on numbers. If his data tells him Trump won the vote, or that Moore may have won the vote, I don't think it's necessarily partisan; no more so than his claim that Bernie Sanders won the "true" primary vote makes him a left-wing troll.

Maybe you could just write him a note at his blog?


No, you're absolutely right, Elvis. This is a pretty uncharacteristic post for me, just a journey into knee-jerk what-the-fuckery throwing up a jump-ball for anyone else who follows the guy more closely without doing much research on my own. Honestly, I don't think he has intentionally become a right-wing troll and I'm not sure if he's getting a whole lot of moolah for his latest writing or what. Something else is going on here.
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Postby Project Willow » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:08 pm

Charnin is a pesky fly in the ointment of ongoing election engineering and the media are using Moore to sink him.
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby Elvis » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:48 pm

Thanks, SRP, and yes I too found it uncharacteristic—but—I like it when you occasionally get feisty; reminds me of the passion behind your usual easygoing manner (which I also yugely appreciate!).

Maybe Mr. Charnin will chime in here... Richard Charnin, please pick up any white RI telephone and give us your thoughts!*

It may seem outrageous that he (or anyone) would help Moore in the court challenge, but I would like to think that Charnin is one of the rare individuals who ultimately cares more about honesty in elections than who wins.

We can ask ourselves, what do we want?: honest elections, or for "our guy" to win?

(I admit there could be critical situations where I might choose the latter. That aside, I'm damn glad the creep Moore lost.)

I guess we're assuming Charnin was paid an expert witness fee? Or? I'm curious about it all, so I don't think your thread here is necessarily a mistake.


* For the youngsters, an allusion to the old United Airlines airport phones.

stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:37 am wrote:
Elvis » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:48 pm wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen wrote: that book jacket kind of answers my question. Richard Charnin is no Greg Palast.


Have you looked over his data for this election? I always thought he did good objective work based on numbers. If his data tells him Trump won the vote, or that Moore may have won the vote, I don't think it's necessarily partisan; no more so than his claim that Bernie Sanders won the "true" primary vote makes him a left-wing troll.

Maybe you could just write him a note at his blog?


No, you're absolutely right, Elvis. This is a pretty uncharacteristic post for me, just a journey into knee-jerk what-the-fuckery throwing up a jump-ball for anyone else who follows the guy more closely without doing much research on my own. Honestly, I don't think he has intentionally become a right-wing troll and I'm not sure if he's getting a whole lot of moolah for his latest writing or what. Something else is going on here.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:15 pm

maybe he felt no one wanted to talk to him so he decided to leave and not come back


I asked him a few times to post here again and never heard anything from him

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Postby Elvis » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:20 pm

Honestly, I don't think I have the math skills to interpret or evaluate a lot of his data... so, not a lot to say... :oops:
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Re: So...is this RIer a right-wing troll or just hard-up for

Postby American Dream » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:31 am

Roy Moore's "experts" are a conspiracy theorist and an anti-Semite


Roy Moore, the Republican nominee and extremist who lost the December 12 special senate election in Alabama, has filed a “voter fraud" complaint in the state of Alabama and named an antisemite and conspiracy theorist as two of his voting "experts."

In his complaint Moore is asking for a temporary restraining order, preliminary injunction and a new special election. Moore has backed his complaint with affidavits from what he claims are “experts" in elections. One of those experts, Jim Condit, Jr., is an antisemite who has accused “Zionists” of taking over the Catholic Church.

Condit ran for the Green Party ticket in Ohio’s 8th Congressional District in 2016 and lost. He has charged that the Federal Reserve Bank is working to force the United States into a socialistic “New World Order,” accused “Zionists” of infiltrating the Vatican II conference of the 1960s that renounced antisemitism in the Catholic Church and claimed that Israel planned to benefit from the 9/11 terror attacks.

A second “expert,” Richard Charnin, is a conspiracy theorist who has a blog where he posts his theories on the JFK assassination, the 2016 election and the death of DNC staffer Seth Rich.

He has posted on a monthly basis since the election spreading the theory that President Trump won the popular vote in the 2016 election. In a September 19 post Charnin wrote:

"There is evidence that millions of illegals probably voted in 2016… According to Greg Palast, least one million Democratic minority voters were disenfranchised via Crosscheckwhich eliminated voters with duplicate names from voter rolls. He claims that 7 million minority voters were disenfranchised. There is evidence that George Soros , a Clinton backer, controls voting machines in 16 states. Election analyst Bev Harris has posted Fraction Magic, an algorithm used to flip votes on Central tabulators.”


These connections aren’t surprising for Moore, who has elevated his own extreme beliefs above the law at virtually every level of public office he has held. Moore supports laws that would criminalize homosexuality, is a staunch proponent of the racist “birtherism” conspiracy, has advocated for religious tests targeting Muslim Americans, and has said that removing the amendments to the U.S. Constitution following the 10th Amendment — which includes the Equal Protection Clause and amendments that abolished slavery and enfranchised women — would “eliminate many problems” in American society.


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