Hawaii! H-bomb in 15 minutes! Run! Hide!

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Without necessarily ruling any out, which explanation(s) do you find likeliest? (2 answers allowed)

Given the drills were underway, an accidental false alarm is likely
7
24%
Most likely psyop: stoking terror to immunize, normalize nuclear war
1
3%
Most likely psyop to underline NK threat, gain support for Trump
3
10%
Most likely psyop to terrorize people against obvious threat of Trump
3
10%
Most likely experiment without agenda, to see how people respond
6
21%
Disgruntled employee, lone button pusher, bureaucratic cover-up
2
7%
False flag: Outside power hacked U.S. system; U.S. covering it up
3
10%
Other (specify)
4
14%
 
Total votes : 29

Re: Hawaii! H-bomb in 15 minutes! Run! Hide!

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:46 pm

I just heard NORAD knew in three minutes that this was a mistake
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Postby peartreed » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:50 pm

My sister was in Maui when the alert was broadcast and she sent a personal and private message to me expecting it might be her last. In the heart-wrenching minutes before the false alarm declaration the people faced death head on. It was a moment of truth created by a lie, by a mistake, by human error pushing a button.

The crisis is precisely illustrative of the potential price of putting power in the wrong hands. Composing a farewell message in a vanishing window of final breaths is cruel, but the crucial lesson is the reminder of our fragility and dependence on those who we put in charge of mankind’s weapons of mass destruction.

I won’t reveal my sister’s message to me but it struck with cold fear while, ironically, truly warming my heart and soul as a final tribute to our shared love. Despite the subsequent relief of the rescinded alert the special moment in time delivered yet another message. We must invest the value of human life into truly capable hands.

And we all know now that the most powerful holder of that trust, currently, is the completely wrong choice. The question comes back to us. What will we do now to save ourselves and the people we love from this warning becoming serious reality?
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Postby norton ash » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:19 pm

Crime against humanity. It took 38 minutes to call it off. Fuck this kind of terror. Rational adults are needed now.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:26 pm

False Alarm Adds to Real Alarm About Trump’s Nuclear Risk
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
JAN. 13, 2018

It was the sort of nightmare that had only ever been real for most people’s parents or grandparents — the fear of an impending nuclear attack. “Ballistic missile threat inbound to Hawaii,” read the emergency alert that residents of the Aloha State received on Saturday morning. “Seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill.”

The authorities quickly announced that the alert was a mistake. But it made tangible the growing fears that after decades of leaders trying to more safely control the world’s nuclear arsenals, President Trump has increased the possibility of those weapons being used.

At a time when many are questioning whether Mr. Trump ought to be allowed anywhere near the nuclear “button,” he is moving ahead with plans to develop new nuclear weapons and expanding the circumstances in which they’d be used. Such actions break with years of American nuclear policy. They also make it harder to persuade other nations to curb their nuclear ambitions or forgo them entirely.

Mr. Trump has boasted about the size and power of America’s nuclear arsenal, threatened to “totally destroy” North Korea, pushed for a massive buildup of an arsenal that already has too many — 4,000 — warheads and wondered aloud why the United States possesses such weapons if it isn’t prepared to use them.

Now, as he tries to force North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons capability and ensure that Iran never acquires one, Mr. Trump is poised to make public a new policy that commits America to an increasing investment in those very weapons, according to a draft document made public by HuffPost and confirmed by The Times.

A major departure in the new policy is the plan to build new low-yield nuclear weapons. The rationale is that most modern weapons are so powerful that no one believes they will ever be used, so lower-explosive warheads are needed to maintain an effective deterrent. This logic is insane.

The United States already has immense nuclear and conventional capabilities, and experts say there is no evidence these so-called more usable low-yield nuclear weapons will force adversaries to behave better. Enlarging the United States arsenal will certainly lead other countries to seek equivalent arsenals of their own, while also raising the odds that weapons fall into terrorists’ hands and heightening the risk of accidental war. Investing huge sums this way is also unlikely to protect us from tomorrow’s threats.

The administration, however, would have us believe that America is falling behind in military capability. Mr. Trump was compelled to act, the document argues, primarily because of Russia’s “unabashed return to Great Power competition,” including modernization of its nuclear weaponry. Russia is unquestionably a growing problem that needs to be confronted, but that’s a cynical rationale for a president who so far has refused to acknowledge the Kremlin’s interference in the 2016 election or its threat more generally to Western democracies.

Making matters worse, Mr. Trump, in a separate decision on Friday, continued to put the 2015 deal that froze Iran’s nuclear program in jeopardy. The president warned European allies that they must agree to overhaul the deal in 120 days, or he would withdraw the United States from it. Although he again stopped short of reimposing sanctions, his demands would effectively require renegotiating the deal, something the other parties to the agreement have refused to do.

The proposed nuclear policy says a more aggressive nuclear posture is warranted because the world is more dangerous, with China, North Korea and Iran cited as concerns. Yet blowing up the Iran deal would free Tehran to resume its nuclear activities and make the world less safe. In other words, Mr. Trump’s approach makes no sense.

Under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, signed in 1968, the United States and Russia promised to reduce the role and number of nuclear weapons. They made significant, although insufficient, progress. After reductions under a succession of past presidents, the American stockpile is 85 percent smaller than it was at the height of the Cold War. Negotiations on further reductions have stalled in recent years as Russia, threatened by America’s superior conventional arsenal, became more reliant on nuclear weapons, and there is no serious sign that Mr. Trump wants to revive the talks.

President Barack Obama made a down payment on a saner policy by narrowing to “extreme circumstances” the conditions under which nuclear weapons would be used and ruling out their use against most non-nuclear countries. Mr. Trump’s policy also talks about “extreme circumstances, ” but it dangerously broadens the definition to include “significant non-nuclear strategic attacks,” which could mean using nuclear weapons to respond to cyber, biological and chemical weapon attacks.

Until Mr. Trump, no one could imagine the United States ever using a nuclear weapon again. America’s conventional military is more than strong enough to defend against most threats. But Mr. Trump has so shaken this orthodoxy that Congress has begun debating limits on his unilateral authority to launch nuclear weapons. Expanding the instances when America might use nuclear weapons could also make it easier for other nuclear-armed countries to justify using their own arsenals against adversaries.

As the residents of Hawaii can tell you, it’s a risk the world cannot afford.
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Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:47 pm

I voted 2 and 3.

Think "they" are fucking with our minds.

Not convinced that Trump is not a wanted tool for "they".

We never truly know just who "they" may be.

The world does not have to be like this, the folks in HI did not deserve that experience.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:40 pm

I voted “other,” as I hinted in the other thread, the very real ballistic missile was disabled somewhere over the Pacific Ocean by an unidentified craft, naturally.

That’s a really touching story about your sister, Peartreed.
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Re: Hawaii! H-bomb in 15 minutes! Run! Hide!

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:43 pm

Hawaii Scare Was Bad But Be Prepared For More False Alerts Stating You’re About To Die

Adversaries will exploit vulnerabilities in U.S. emergency broadcasting systems and citizens will become less likely to trust messages from them.

BY TYLER ROGOWAYJANUARY 14, 2018


As I am sure you have noticed by now, on Saturday, January 13th, 2017 Hawaii fell victim to a false alert of an incoming ballistic missile attack—you may even have found out about it from a push notification from a news site on your smart phone. Roughly 40 excruciating minutes passed between the horrifying blanket dispatch and one that rescinded it. In that time, an entire state sat comprehending their potential doom, waiting for the nuclear fire to arrive, and contemplating the reality of their own vulnerability.

What followed was absolute outrage over the incident and an avalanche of questions as to how this could have happened. It turns out it was caused by a simple shift change mistake at the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, but the cold hard truth is that it isn't likely to be the last time something like this happens. In fact, it is probably only the beginning of a new age of such occurrences, and they won't necessarily come from our own government.


The emergency alert cascaded across Hawaii in an instant, and couldn't have been more on cue. The standoff between the U.S. and North Korea over the rogue state's nuclear and missile programs has reached a crescendo in recent months, and Pyongyang has proven that Hawaii is well within its reach if it decides to strike. Just six weeks ago, Hawaii tested its air raid sirens to warn of such attack for the first time in decades—the exercise acting as a harsh reminder of a new threatening and uncertain age. Meanwhile, there has been great buzz around the CDC's upcoming public brief on what to do during a nuclear attack—another sign of changing times—and relations with Russia, a country with thousands of nuclear weapons still in its inventory, continues to erode.


It's also worth noting that nowhere in the United States is the attack on Pearl Harbor less forgotten, and the idea that another surprise strike could occur, but this time by via a single or handful of ballistic missiles able to inflict the incredible destruction of nuclear blasts, is palpable.


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Staffers watch for disaster alerts in the command center of the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency in Honolulu.
Making things worse is that the Emergency Broadcasting System of yesteryear has given way to progressively more invasive emergency alert systems. Before the advent of the smartphone, one had to be actually engaged with broadcast media in order to be impacted by an alert. Nowadays these messages are pushed in an instant to our phones, which have become an extension of our anatomy, rarely within an arm's reach away. The widespread impact of such an alert messaging system is instantaneous, and because of the limited capabilities of the system as it sits today, it is also incredibly blunt.

In 2013 the Wireless Emergency Alert System (WEAS) was introduced, and by its very design it is incredibly rigid. The absolute best summation of WEAS and how it came to be was posted today by the Atlantic, I would highly suggest you give it a read, but basically this system relies of carefully worded, pre-formatted, and pre-approved messages that are 90 characters or less and have to be generated by specific equipment and software. So we are talking about getting across the basic nature of an emergency event quickly, not giving meaningful instructions on how to react to that event or anything in addition.

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My computer asks me if I really want to install a program, my phone does the same for downloading a $.99 song on Itunes. Pretty crazy when these operations are more secure than one that tells Hawaii to prepare for annihilation via inbound ballistic missile.
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Those who preside over this clunky system can't just type in a new message on the fly, like "false alarm, there is no ballistic missile this way, that message was an internal error," the best they can do is stop the process of sending out more messages once it has begun. We got an idea of just how slow the process of generating a retraction is in this case, and that was under nominal conditions.

The fact that social media, which acts at lightning speed, exists among such a slow moving public messaging system only made things worse. This seemed to be a normal exchange during the event:

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This was my phone when I woke up just now. I'm in Honolulu, #Hawaii and my family is on the North Shore. They were hiding in the garage. My mom and sister were crying. It was a false alarm, but betting a lot of people are shaken. @KPRC2
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The fallout from the mistake has been severe, and rightfully so. For the average person living on the mainland who has never experienced something like this, it is simply hard to relate to the terror stirred-up by such an event. Governor David Ige stated the following:

“What happened today was totally unacceptable... Many in our community were deeply affected by this. I am sorry for that pain and confusion that anyone might have experienced.”

Shockwaves from this huge mistake are likely to ripple outward for months, but for now it serves as a stark reminder that false information and its relation to our smartphones doesn't just stop at "fake news" on Facebook.


America's enemies understand this very well and are very likely to take advantages in weaknesses in America's mobile networks to inject fear, mistrust, and confusion into the populace in the future. These are the lynchpins of Russia's "hybrid warfare" playbook and their campaign to affect America's political process during the 2016 election also sticks to these underlying tenets. Smartphones in particular are a ripe target for foreign actors, and especially Russia.


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Vern Miyagi, Administrator, HEMA, left, and Hawaii Gov. David Ige addressed the media Saturday, Jan. 13, 2018, during a press conference at the Hawaii Emergency Management Center at Diamond Head Saturday following the false alarm issued of a missile launch on Hawaii.
American troops operating in Eastern Europe during recent military exercises had their smartphones repeatedly broken into and jammed with all sorts outcomes being witnessed. Other allied troops had constant messages sent to their phones.

The War Zone reported recently:

These reports match up almost word for word with information the Asymmetric Warfare Group collected regarding the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. The unit explained in its December 2016 handbook on Russian New Generation Warfare that the hybrid strategy had effectively blended electronic and cyber warfare with psychological operations to disrupt Ukrainian military activities.

“Electronic warfare devices allow Russian Forces to broadcast … messages directly against opposing Ukrainian forces as discussed earlier with cellular text messages,” the manual explained. “These can be very specific and directed at individuals, such as by threatening their wives and children by name, or generic and sent to entire units as was the case in Ukraine.”

Kremlin-backed forces in Ukraine even coupled these unconventional assaults with conventional military operations. The Asymmetric Warfare Group described one instance where separatists, undoubtedly with Russian support, zeroed in on a Ukrainian position possibly by pinpointing its radio transmissions, hit it with artillery, then sent texts asking to their opponents “asking how they liked” the barrage.

Off the battlefield, armed with information scraped from phones and social media, Russia could make things especially personal, sending Ukrainian soldiers “text messages on their phone with threats against their families and accurate information of family locations,” according to the handbook. “Tactics such as this can have a tremendously negative psychological impact on young soldiers that are out of direct contact with their loved ones.”

The Asymmetric Warfare Group warned in the handbook that the potential for these problem was only likely to increase given that the incoming generation of American military personnel were “truly ‘digital natives’” who have spent their entire lives interaction with the internet and social media. The U.S. military would have to learn to balance this reality with the obvious need for operational security.

“Digital operational security violations now have strategic-level implications,” the unit’s handbook noted. “Never before has the actions of one lone individual been so visible and prone to manipulation by the adversary.”

The blending of electronic warfare and psychological warfare operations is clearly on the rise, and we are made vulnerable to it via our own reliance and misplaced confidence in the technology we rely on a daily basis—namely our smartphones and social media. And it's not just our devices that are vulnerable to cyber attack, the networks they operate on are also at risk. Making things worse, the public is woefully uneducated on the nature of the various federal alert systems or even how to discern the difference between an official message and a fake. Simply sending an official looking text to hundreds of thousands of people warning of an impending attack or disaster would likely have a similar effect as sending out an official message.


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US soldier taking a selfie with Polish troops.
With this in mind, it's only a matter of time until these vulnerabilities are exploited in a grandiose fashion, and this is only more likely to happen as tensions with potential foes around the globe ratchet up.

It's also worth noting that these manipulations can also emanate from non-state actors and extremist groups. By their very nature they represent an asymmetric and low-cost way for an enemy to spread fear. Some would even argue that such a capability represents a near ideal terror weapon of the future—one where plausible deniability is far more obtainable than with a kinetic attack, and because nobody actually dies, a major response is unlikely. In other words, such an action is more likely to prompt a law-enforcement action than a traditional military one.

What's most concerning is that there have been countless examples in recent years of emergency broadcasting systems being hijacked or hacked by entities with nowhere near the power or the sophistication of a peer-state opponent or even a major international non-state actor. Many vectors exist for these attacks, and thankfully they have mainly been pranks, such as alerting certain regions to a potential zombie virus outbreak or the end of the world. Even setting off air raid sirens for hours at a time in a major metropolitan area has occurred. But the risk of far more harmful operations executed by international actors remains.


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As we discussed in-depth over a year ago, voting days in American in particular are likely to be targeted for cyber attacks in the future. Sewing confusion and distrust, or capturing as many people's eyeballs on a day when everyone is already engaged with the media wouldn't be the only objective of such an operation. It isn't hard to imagine a capable and highly nefarious actor sending out a bogus emergency alerts to key counties on voting day in an attempt to sway an election.

The events over the last 36 hours in Hawaii have also spurred a lot of talk about past false alarms of impending nuclear attack. These have occurred on a military command and control level, and were horrifyingly prevalent during the Cold War, especially as computer technology was in its infancy and more was being demanded of it to support early warning systems than it was ready to provide. I highly recommend that your read Garrett Graff's outstanding book Raven Rock, which gives the complete story of America's emergency alert, early warning, command and control, and continuity of government systems. It also details some of the most egregious early warning errors that almost brought on doomsday without real cause. Fast forward to today and computer and remote sensing technology is far more up to the task of providing more reliable early warning capabilities. But even this seems to be on the cusp of changing as well.

The officially proposed changes to America's nuclear posture is a sign of a more dangerous world to come—one in which the average person will be far more susceptible to believing that a nuclear attack of some sort is possible or even underway at any given moment. Traditional forms of nuclear attack—submarine-launched and ground-launched ballistic missiles and strategic bombers carrying cruise missiles or bombs—are what America's early warning systems have been designed to detect in the post Cold War era. But new methods of nuclear weapons delivery stand to overcome established methods of detection, not to mention existing missile defense systems, and America's potential enemies are well on their way to fielding these capabilities.


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Traditional early warning systems, like the Ballistic Missile Early Warning Systems (BMEWS), and other large phased array radar systems scattered around the western hemisphere, aren't capable of detecting some emerging nuclear threats.
These including hypersonic weapons of various types, which can fly at very high-speed within earth's atmosphere, and even maneuver dramatically on their way towards their targets. The reintroduction of road-mobile nuclear land attack cruise missiles is another major issue to contend with as they exhibit very little infrared plume during their boost phase, before continuing onto their target at low altitude. Even far more exotic weapons, like Russia's supposed "Kanyon" ultra long-range nuclear armed torpedo, which is a real thing based on the Pentagon's own analysis, shatters America's traditional strategic early warning systems mold.

As these weapon systems mature and become better known, they too will have a chilling effect on people's confidence in the emergency broadcast system's ability to reliably inform them of an incoming attack. And that's really what's at stake here—the public's trust in their government's ability to accurately communicate with them when it matters most. Considering these systems are how the President is suppose to address the nation during a major emergency situation (not just video or audio, but even using texts!), if the zombie alerts or false missile attacks can pop up at any given time, what's to say that what they are even hearing from President is real?

And this is why undermining American's emergency broadcasting capabilities will be an increasingly attractive target to enemy states and actors—by breaking the public's faith in this most basic form of communication, it helps erode their greater confidence in their government as a whole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TTEWRKnRC0

It's sad to say but times are changing in many negative ways. The technology we rely so heavily upon is rife with vulnerabilities and its exploitation will become a growing feature of everyday life. When also considering the changing global strategic equation, it's probably time the federal government start fresh with a new emergency alert system that takes social media and the fact that time and space has been "shrunk" by instant communication to virtually anywhere in the world on a individual level into account. And above all else, the system needs to be flexible enough to rapidly respond to changing situations, while also being firewalled from external tampering—especially the type that a teenage hacker can do from their parent's basement.

With all this in mind, maybe bringing in the best brains in social media product development together to find better solutions to this problem than what would come out of the clumsy federal government coming up with something on their own that is likely to be immediately obsolete, hard to evolve, and hugely expensive.

If anything else, what happened in Hawaii this weekend should serve as a dire warning that our government's ability to quickly communicate with the populace during a major crisis is woefully inadequate, and that needs to change, especially because the people's trust in what they are being told will become increasingly at stake.
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Postby 82_28 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:15 am

A timeline of Trump's actions during the Hawaii false alarm

(CNN) As Hawaiians catch their breath following the jarring missile alert mishap over the weekend, scrutiny has reached the White House and how it grappled with the mistaken alarm.

A message went out to the people of Hawaii on Saturday, telling them to seek shelter due to an incoming ballistic missile threat. State leaders and emergency officials said after that the alert was a false alarm, with the state's governor saying it was because an employee "pushed the wrong button."
President Donald Trump was quiet about the incident in its wake, and on Sunday night he said he was glad Hawaiian officials had taken responsibility for the massive failure of the statewide system.

The following timeline of events related to the false missile warning in Hawaii reflects the President's whereabouts during the key time frame.
Saturday, January 13

9:26 a.m. ET -- Trump arrives at his Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida.

12:35 p.m. ET -- CNN cameras spot Trump between the 14th and 15th holes.

1:07 p.m. ET -- Warnings of an incoming ballistic missile begin flashing on cellphones in Hawaii, leading to panic among some residents and visitors. The alert was triggered after an error at the emergency management administration.
1:10 p.m. ET -- Hawaii State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Joe Logan confirms with US Pacific Command there is no missile headed for Hawaii, and the Honolulu Police Department is notified it was a false alarm.

About 1:10 p.m. ET -- Trump has lunch inside the clubhouse of Trump International Golf Club. Members inside the building spot him.
Time unknown -- Deputy National Security Adviser Ricky Waddell, who was the top national security official traveling with Trump in Florida, briefs Trump in person on the false alarm alerts.

1:13 p.m. ET -- The White House tells reporters in West Palm Beach that Trump has spent the morning playing golf.

1:13 p.m. ET -- Hawaii's State Warning Point issues a cancellation of the Civil Danger Warning Message, thereby preventing the initial alert from being rebroadcast to phones that may not have received it yet -- for instance, if a phone was not on at 1:07 p.m. ET, if someone was out of range and has since come into cell coverage (hikers and mariners, for example) and/or people getting off planes.

1:20 p.m. ET -- The Hawaii Emergency Management Agency tweets and posts to Facebook that there is "NO missile threat to Hawaii."

1:23 p.m. ET -- A White House official says they are aware of the alerts and clarification, but can't say whether Trump has been briefed on them.

1:24 p.m. ET -- Officials from Hawaii, including Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, tweet out that the alert was a false alarm. Hawaii Gov. David Ige retweets Hawaii Emergency Management Agency's cancellation notice.

1:30 pm ET --- Ige posts cancellation notification to his Facebook page.

1:38 p.m. ET -- Trump departs his golf course.

1:39 p.m. ET -- A White House spokesman refers to the Pentagon for comment on the false alarm alerts.

1:45 p.m. ET -- Hawaii's Emergency Management Agency issues "false alarm" messages broadcast over radio and TV, as well as cellphones. Hawaii's Emergency Management Agency says it got authorization from the Federal Emergency Management Agency's Integrated Public Alert and Warning System. (FEMA later tells CNN that Hawaii's Emergency Management Agency has had the authority since 2012 to issue retractions or cancellations of alerts it has issued and does not require FEMA approval.)

1:49 p.m. ET -- Trump arrives back at Mar-a-Lago.

Time unknown -- Trump speaks with national security adviser H.R. McMaster and White House chief of staff John Kelly by secure phone line from Mar-a-Lago. Neither McMaster nor Kelly was traveling in Florida with Trump. Trump asks McMaster to oversee federal response to the situation.

2:34 p.m. ET -- The White House releases a statement that says Trump met with US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer "and received an in-depth update on trade with China and their economy."

2:44 p.m. ET -- The White House releases a statement saying Trump "has been briefed on the state of Hawaii's emergency management exercise. This was purely a state exercise."

3:02 p.m. ET -- The White House clarifies the alert was a state-controlled exercise, not a practice run or otherwise planned event.

5:08 p.m. ET -- In his first statement after the false alarm, Trump tweets: "So much Fake News is being reported. They don't even try to get it right, or correct it when they are wrong. They promote the Fake Book of a mentally deranged author, who knowingly writes false information. The Mainstream Media is crazed that WE won the election!"

Evening -- President Trump has dinner with former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani at Mar-a-Lago, a person who was there said. They both pause during the meal as a singer performed "God Bless America." Giuliani is walking with a cane.

Sunday, January 14

7:20 p.m. ET -- Trump makes his first comments about the false alarm alerts as he walks to dinner with House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy at his West Palm golf club: "Well, that was a state thing. But we're going to now get involved with them. I love that they took responsibility. They took total responsibility. But we're going to get involved. Their attitude and their -- what they want to do, I think it's terrific. They took responsibility. They made a mistake."
Asked whether he would make sure it won't happen again, Trump said: "Well, we hope it won't happen again. But part of it is that people are on edge, but maybe, eventually, we'll solve the problem so they won't have to be so on edge."


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Postby cptmarginal » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:57 am

The EMA administrator said that cooling tensions between North and South Korea should have been a signal to residents that the alert was mistaken, urging Hawaiians to 'keep informed on what's going on on the tension between the two countries and monitor that.'


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Postby cptmarginal » Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:49 am

Japan’s public broadcaster mistakenly sent an alert warning citizens about a North Korean missile launch and urging them to seek immediate shelter, then retracted it minutes later – days after a similar error occurred in Hawaii.

NHK television issued the message on Tuesday on its news websites as well as on Twitter, saying North Korea appeared to have fired a missile at Japan. It said the government was telling people to take shelter.

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Postby NaturalMystik » Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:01 pm

That's curious... and highly coincidental... Makes me think maybe it is a hack after all, testing alert systems. At the very least there is some international coordination is going on...
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Postby Elvis » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:01 pm

NaturalMystik » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:01 am wrote:That's curious... and highly coincidental... Makes me think maybe it is a hack after all, testing alert systems. At the very least there is some international coordination is going on...


Without knowing anything about it, really, I was thinking "accidental." But then I wondered: "How often does this happen? Like, never?"

And it jibes with the recent, blatant efforts to ramp up fears of a nuclear strike.
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Re: Hawaii! H-bomb in 15 minutes! Run! Hide!

Postby Rory » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:40 pm

Of course it's not an accidental occurrence. Twice in a week from different messengers should make that clear if there was lingering doubt.
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Re: Hawaii! H-bomb in 15 minutes! Run! Hide!

Postby stefano » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:08 am

Looks like I'm the only one going with China here.
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Re: Hawaii! H-bomb in 15 minutes! Run! Hide!

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:46 pm

Whatever it is, I don't think it's an accident.

Reports: Pentagon Preparing for War with N. Korea & Developing New Nuclear Weapons
JAN 16, 2018
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/16/headlines

NYT: Pentagon Proposes Widening Permissible Use of Nuclear Weapons
JAN 17, 2018
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/1/17/headlines

If the traumatization of Hawaii was intended, it would be a guaranteed American op, no one else is stupid enough to provoke a fucking accidental nuclear war, which an outside hack could have done. I suppose a private hacker could have done it for the lulz, but the predictable and trivial-minded reaction from the Russiagateheaded press posted above is incredibly dumb. Can't they focus for a minute?!

Because if this was an accident, that is equally hair-raising. A drop-down menu to send generic nuclear alerts to millions of phones?! 38 minutes to correct?! This is the apparatus that's running the armaggedon show?!

The only public person I've seen talking straight about this shit is Tulsi Gabbard, by the way.

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