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Postby Blue » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:10 am

If I only had a dollar every time someone prophesied about some huge event coming that will result in a massive change.

Been hearing about the coming race war my entire life.
Been hearing about the coming Second Great Depression for a decade.
Been hearing about ET or Our Ancestors coming to save us since oh, about 1999.
Been hearing about Trump gettin the boot and going to jail for 15 months.

I appreciate all of your documentation slad, but I also have a different opinion.
If Trump leaves it will be on the GMO-glyphosate-sugar heart attack train.
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Re: Crazed Right-Wing Sites Pushing Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:13 am

there is no huge event coming resulting in massive change ......trump will not be president January 1 2019

It took 2 years to get Nixon out of office ...if the repubs do not remove trump before the mid term elections the dems will impeach him after they retake the house and senate .....trump's lawyers are negotiating his time before Mueller and if push comes to shove trump will be subpoenaed there will be a Constitutional crisis and he will be compelled to testify......Kushner is going to be charged

this is the biggest political scandal in the history of this country..... I am positive of all of this and will save this post for future reference

Blue » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:10 am wrote:If I only had a dollar every time someone prophesied about some huge event coming that will result in a massive change.

Been hearing about the coming race war my entire life.
Been hearing about the coming Second Great Depression for a decade.
Been hearing about ET or Our Ancestors coming to save us since oh, about 1999.
Been hearing about Trump gettin the boot and going to jail for 15 months.

I appreciate all of your documentation slad, but I also have a different opinion.
If Trump leaves it will be on the GMO-glyphosate-sugar heart attack train.


Bob Mueller’s Investigation Is Larger—and Further Along—Than You Think


Tthe Mueller investigation appears to have been picking up steam in the last three weeks —and homing in on a series of targets.
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President Trump claimed in a tweet over the weekend that the controversial Nunes memo “totally vindicates” him, clearing him of the cloud of the Russia investigation that has hung over his administration for a year now.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact, if anything, the Mueller investigation appears to have been picking up steam in the past three weeks—and homing in on a series of targets.

Last summer, I wrote an analysis exploring the “known unknowns” of the Russia investigation—unanswered but knowable questions regarding Mueller’s probe. Today, given a week that saw immense sturm und drang over Devin Nunes’ memo—a document that seems purposefully designed to obfuscate and muddy the waters around Mueller’s investigation—it seems worth asking the opposite question: What are the known knowns of the Mueller investigation, and where might it be heading?

The first thing we know is that we know it is large.

We speak about the “Mueller probe” as a single entity, but it’s important to understand that there are no fewer than five (known) separate investigations under the broad umbrella of the special counsel’s office—some threads of these investigations may overlap or intersect, some may be completely free-standing, and some potential targets may be part of multiple threads. But it’s important to understand the different “buckets” of Mueller’s probe.

As special counsel, Mueller has broad authority to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,” as well as “any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation,” a catch-all phrase that allows him to pursue other criminality he may stumble across in the course of the investigation. As the acting attorney general overseeing Mueller, Rod Rosenstein has the ability to grant Mueller the ability to expand his investigation as necessary and has been briefed regularly on how the work is unfolding. Yet even without being privy to those conversations, we have a good sense of the purview of his investigation.

Right now, we know it involves at least five separate investigative angles:

1. Preexisting Business Deals and Money Laundering. Business dealings and money laundering related to Trump campaign staff, including former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former campaign aide Rick Gates, are a major target of the inquiry. While this phase of the investigation has already led to the indictment of Gates and Manafort, it almost certainly will continue to bear further fruit. Gates appears to be heading toward a plea deal with Mueller, and there is expected to be a so-called “superseding” indictment that may add to or refine the existing charges. Such indictments are common in federal prosecutions, particularly in complicated financial cases where additional evidence may surface. Mueller’s team is believed to have amassed more than 400,000 documents in this part of the investigation alone. There have also been reports—largely advanced through intriguing reporting by Buzzfeed—about suspicious payments flagged by Citibank that passed through the accounts of the Russian embassy in the United States, including an abnormal attempted $150,000 cash withdrawal by the embassy just days after the election.

2. Russian Information Operations. When we speak in shorthand about the “hacking of the election,” we are actually talking about unique and distinct efforts, with varying degrees of coordination, by different entities associated with the Russian government. One of these is the “information operations” (bots and trolls) that swirled around the 2016 election, focused on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter, possibly with the coordination or involvement of the Trump campaign’s data team, Cambridge Analytica.

Presumably these so-called active measures were conducted by or with the coordination of what’s known colloquially as the Russian troll factory, the Internet Research Agency, in St. Petersburg. The extent to which these social media efforts impacted the outcome of the election remains an open question, but according to Bloomberg these social media sites are a “red hot” focus of Mueller’s team, and he obtained search warrants to examine the records of companies like Facebook. In recent weeks, social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter have begun working to notify more than a million users they suspect interacted with Russian trolls and propaganda.

3. Active Cyber Intrusions. Separate from the trolls and bots on social media were a series of active operations and cyber intrusions carried out by Russian intelligence officers at the GRU and the FSB against political targets like John Podesta and the DNC. We know that Russian intelligence also penetrated the Republican National Committee, but none of those emails or documents were made public. This thread of the investigation may also involve unofficial or official campaign contacts with WikiLeaks or other campaign advisers, like Roger Stone, as well as the warning—via the Australian government—that former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos appeared to have foreknowledge of the hacking of Democratic emails.

Western intelligence, specifically the Dutch intelligence service AIVD, has evidently been monitoring for years the “Advanced Persistent Threats”—government-sponsored hackers who make up the Russia teams known as Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear, which were responsible for the attacks on Democratic targets. AIVD even evidently managed to penetrate a security camera in the workspace of Cozy Bear, near Red Square in Moscow, and take screenshots of those working for the team. According to The Wall Street Journal, there are at least six Russian intelligence officers who may already be identified as personally responsible for at least some of these intrusions. Bringing criminal charges against these individuals would be consistent with the practices established over the past five years by the Justice Department’s National Security Division, which indicted—and in some cases even arrested—specific government and military hackers from nation-states like Iran, China, and Russia.

4. Russian Campaign Contacts. This corner of the investigation remains perhaps the most mysterious aspect of Mueller’s probe, as questions continue to swirl about the links and contacts among Russian nationals and officials and Trump campaign staff, including Carter Page, the subject of the FISA warrant that was the focus of the Nunes memo. Numerous campaign (and now administration) officials have lied about or failed to disclose contacts with both Russian nationals and Russian government officials, from meetings with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to government banker Sergey Gorkov to the infamous Trump Tower meeting arranged by Donald Trump Jr. with Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer Natalia V. Veselnitskaya.

At least two members of the campaign—Papadopoulos and former national security adviser Michael Flynn—have already pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about these contacts. But many other Trump aides face scrutiny, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions, White House adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner, and Donald Trump Jr. Some of these contacts may go back years; Page himself originally surfaced in January 2015 as “Male #1” in the indictment of three Russian SVR agents, working undercover in New York City, who had tried to recruit Page, an oil and gas adviser, as an intelligence asset, only to decide that he was too scatterbrained to be a useful source.

5. Obstruction of Justice. This is the big kahuna—the question of whether President Trump obstructed justice by pressuring FBI director James Comey to “look past” the FBI’s investigation of Michael Flynn and whether his firing in May was in any way tied to Comey’s refusal to stop the investigation. This thread, as far as we know from public reporting, remains the only part of the investigation that stretches directly into the Oval Office. It likely focuses not only on the President and the FBI director but also on a handful of related questions about the FBI investigation of Flynn and the White House’s statements about the Trump Tower meeting. The president himself has said publicly that he fired Comey over “this Russia thing.”

There’s fresh reason to believe that this is an active criminal investigation; lost amid the news of the Nunes memo on Friday was a court ruling in a lawsuit where I and a handful of other reporters from outlets like CNN and Daily Caller are suing the Justice Department to release the “Comey memos”: The ruling held that, based on the FBI’s private testimony to the court—including evidence from Michael Dreeben, one of the leaders of the special counsel’s office—releasing the memos would compromise the investigation. “Having heard this, the Court is now fully convinced that disclosure ‘could reasonably be expected to interfere’ with that ongoing investigation,” the judge wrote in our case.

Even the most generous interpretation of the Nunes memo—which has been widely debunked by serious analysts—raises questions only around the fourth thread of this investigation, insofar as it focuses on Carter Page, the one-time foreign policy adviser who appears to be ancillary to most of the rest of the Russia probes. All of the other avenues remain unsullied by the Nunes memo.

The second thing that we know is that large parts of the investigation remain out of sight. While we’ve seen four indictments or guilty pleas, they only involve threads one (money laundering) and four (Russian campaign contacts). We haven’t seen any public moves or charges by Mueller’s team regarding the information operations, the active cyber intrusions, or the obstruction of justice investigation.

We also know there’s significant relevant evidence that’s not yet public: Both Flynn and Papadopoulos traded cooperation and information as part of their respective plea deals, and none of the information that they provided has become public yet.

We also know that, despite the relative period of quiet since Flynn’s guilty plea in December, Mueller is moving fast. While parts of the case will likely unfold and continue for years, particularly if some defendants head for trial, Mueller has in recent weeks been interviewing senior and central figures, like Comey and Sessions. He’s also begun working to interview President Trump himself. Given that standard procedure would be to interview the central figure in an investigation last—when all the evidence is gathered—it seems likely that such interest means that Mueller is confident he knows what he needs to know for the obstruction case, at least.

All of these pieces of public evidence, the “known knowns,” point to one conclusion: Bob Mueller has a busy few weeks ahead of him—and the sturm und drang of the last week will likely only intensify as more of the investigation comes into public view.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:18 am

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Nunes: Fine, the FBI Didn’t Lie, But Its Font Was Too Small
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Jonathan Chait

The central, and most damaging, accusation in the memo published Friday by House Republicans is that the FBI failed to disclose the bias of one of its sources when it applied to wiretap Carter Page. “Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding [British agent Christopher] Steele’s efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior and FBI officials,” charged the memo. That was hardly explosive, or the kind of damning failure that would send people to prison or be worse than Watergate, as Trump defenders charged. But it was something. If true.

It’s not true. As the Ellen Nakashima reported, the application to wiretap Page did disclose that one of the sources of intelligence to generate suspicion that Page might be acting illegally came from a political source. It was mentioned in a footnote on the FISA application. Nunes was asked about this on Fox & Friends. He did not deny the point. Instead he insisted that it wasn’t good enough because the disclosure was merely a footnote. “A footnote saying something may be political is a far cry from letting the American people know that the Democrats and the Hillary campaign paid for dirt that the FBI then used to get a warrant on an American citizen to spy on another campaign,” the distinguished Republican explained.

Notice how “The FBI LIED about the Steele dossier” has been scaled back to, “The FBI did not highlight the truth about the Steele Dossier in the part of the application we bothered to read.” So now the main attack on the FBI is about font size. No doubt all the subsequent memos Nunes is promising to release will have additional bombshells
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Postby Blue » Tue Feb 06, 2018 12:19 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:13 am wrote:there is no huge event coming resulting in massive change ......trump will not be president January 1 2019


Sounds contradictory. Huge event = trump unseated. Massive change = christofascist upgraded from vp to p.

It took 2 years to get Nixon out of office ...if the repubs do not remove trump before the mid term elections the dems will impeach him after they retake the house and senate .....trump's lawyers are negotiating his time before Mueller and if push comes to shove trump will be subpoenaed there will be a Constitutional crisis and he will be compelled to testify......Kushner is going to be charged

this is the biggest political scandal in the history of this country..... I am positive of all of this and will save this post for future reference


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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:49 pm

terminology definition needed

SLaD

massive huge event = meteor hitting the earth wiping out all life on planet

biggest political scandal in the history of the U.S. = biggest political scandal in the history of the U.S.


Okeydokey?



Blue » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:19 am wrote:
seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:13 am wrote:there is no huge event coming resulting in massive change ......trump will not be president January 1 2019


Sounds contradictory. Huge event = trump unseated. Massive change = christofascist upgraded from vp to p.

It took 2 years to get Nixon out of office ...if the repubs do not remove trump before the mid term elections the dems will impeach him after they retake the house and senate .....trump's lawyers are negotiating his time before Mueller and if push comes to shove trump will be subpoenaed there will be a Constitutional crisis and he will be compelled to testify......Kushner is going to be charged

this is the biggest political scandal in the history of this country..... I am positive of all of this and will save this post for future reference


Okeydokey.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:06 pm

Nice to learn Countdown 2012 stopped by.

Consider for a moment that the Rosenbergs were executed for being found guilty of Conspiracy to Commit Espionage.

I bet it'll be quite the surprise when the Donald is indicted for seditious conspiracy, among other charges.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:44 pm

good to see you back too Iamwhomiam :hug1:
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:55 pm

Hello to you too Iamwhoiam....SRP for that matter...

but what prompted me to make this post was a reply to Blue. I too am inclined to be doubtful, but know the necessity of people like SLAD who fight the good fight.
Without people like her, and the people willing to take to the streets, run for office, etc...surely we would be gonners. So I go back to my initial cause for posting on this thread, to thank SLAD and people like her.
I read her posts and hope she is correct. Perhaps dramatic, but as I see it, western democratic civilization and 'the free world' may hang in the balance.


If I go a little RI-ish now, the fact 'Trump' happened, I might suggest that either the PTB got caught off guard, or they are not as in control as once thought maybe asleep at the switch, lazy PTB let the con man/Russia slip in.
I doubt it, but I suppose could be that this is intended by the PTB, but by extension, if Trump was intended, what is next can only be catastrophic.


Oh, and back on topic of this thread, Nunes is a POS that needs to go to JAIL.
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:35 pm

Blue » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:10 am wrote:If I only had a dollar every time someone prophesied about some huge event coming that will result in a massive change.

Been hearing about the coming race war my entire life.
Been hearing about the coming Second Great Depression for a decade.
Been hearing about ET or Our Ancestors coming to save us since oh, about 1999.
Been hearing about Trump gettin the boot and going to jail for 15 months.

I appreciate all of your documentation slad, but I also have a different opinion.
If Trump leaves it will be on the GMO-glyphosate-sugar heart attack train.


From somewhere else, written today, maybe just for you (and me)...keep hope alive.

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Tue Feb 6th, 2018 at 03:08:20 PM EST

It seems to me that too many progressive Democrats are demonstrating something between learned helplessness and crippling pessimism. So, let me ask you a question. Every time I talk about President Trump being removed from office, I'm hit with a deluge of comments about how that is never going to happen, usually because the Republicans in Congress will never vote to impeach him and his own cabinet will never invoke the 25th amendment.

Those seem like safe assumptions. But why is President Trump so panicked about this investigation then? Why has he acted the way he has? Why did he fire Comey and why do people have to keep talking him out of firing Rosenstein and ultimately Mueller? Why has he obstructed the investigation and instructed congressional Republicans to obstruct the investigation?

Is he just stupid? Does he not realize that no matter what comes out in the investigation, he has absolutely nothing to worry about?

Or, maybe, does he realize that Michael Flynn cut a whale of a deal with the special prosecutor and it wasn't to testify to things that congressional Republicans can just shrug off? Maybe he's behaving like a guilty perp because he's fully aware that his actions can't stand the light of day.

Think about what you know about Trump. Think about what you already know about how he conducts his business, stiffing contractors and bullying people in court. Think about the model for his real estate licensing and the well established fact that his properties are used by mobsters, drug dealers and oligarchs to launder their money. Think about the fraud he's committed, for example with Trump University. Think about all the sexual assaults and the bribes he's paid to keep women quiet. Think about how likely it is that his denials are truthful denials.

Why won't he release his tax returns? Why was he trying to make a deal for a Trump Tower in Moscow as late as December 2015? Why did he hire Paul Manafort? Why was Roger Stone communicating with both Guccifer 2.0 and Julian Assange? Why does Trump act the way he does towards Vladimir Putin? What are the chances that any part of his story is going to hold up once Mueller is done writing his report?

I have no doubt that the Republicans in Congress can shrug off a lot, but the truth is that most of them don't like Trump and most of them do like Mike Pence.

Spend a day on Capitol Hill and you’ll hear Republican elected officials who publicly say they adore Trump spit unthinkable invective off the record.
My opinion of Republicans could hardly get lower. I'm only asking people to have a little imagination and a little faith. My guess is that we'll need at least one chamber of Congress under Democratic control to get this done, because we need to control some hearings and be able to call witnesses and make them respond to questions. But I'm not even sure that this will be required. I don't think Trump is a smart or particularly rational man, but I think his behavior is the best indicator of the risk he faces. He doesn't think he's immune to accountability, so why are so many of you willing to lay down and assume that he has impunity?

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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:43 pm

a little imagination and a little faith

that's me :)

and a huge Irish temper :P

....well maybe the courage of my convictions helps
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Postby Jerky » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:53 pm

Very good point, 2012.

Gotta say tho, it COULD be due to his inability to prevent himself from hitting back at anyone he perceives as attacking him.

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Postby Grizzly » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:45 am



Damn, that Grissly, again....
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Postby dada » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:15 am

2012 Countdown » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:35 pm wrote:Serious Question
by BooMan
Tue Feb 6th, 2018 at 03:08:20 PM EST


This article isn't geared to me, since I'm not a progressive Democrat, don't feel helpless, or pessimistic, crippling or otherwise. But I'd like to make a few comments.

Asking "why are so many of you willing to lay down and assume that he has impunity?" can only be done from a state disassociated from the present. Someday, maybe it will catch up to him. I'm certain the NYPost has the "Donald, You're Fired" cover ready and waiting. But he is acting, right now, every day, with impunity. Glaring ethics violations and all.

Facing that is not pessimistic. It leads to a critique of the structures that allow this to drag on. Big money politics is a dirty business, though, full of corporate-owned career politicians, 'grey areas,' and hypocrisy.

What motivates the critique of form over substance is fear, plain and simple. Fear of sacred hierarchy toppling. Fear of an imagined 'chaos' even worse than what we have, right now. Refusing to face it forces a retreat into the future. But it's a future where the very real chaos of business as usual continues.

And that's selfish, in my opinion. Just wishing this would all go away without having to take responsibility. It's being more concerned with ourselves than with our children's children.
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Postby Jerky » Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:31 am

Yup.

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