Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby liminalOyster » Sun May 13, 2018 6:56 pm

Please drop "Current Events" at least below GD. From a design (and ergonomic) standpoint, it's poor form to add new content piecemeal (IOW outside of a thought-through redesign) and esp to replace long-existing links with others in their same place.

ps. I think the cultural war is more like a national stage version of the Stanford experiment meets Fear Factor - Just how far will our contestants cheer authoritarianism and propaganda * so long as it's on their side.?* Let's find out!
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun May 13, 2018 7:35 pm

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Briefly driving by to echo the sentiments of JRiddler, Rory, alloneword, & liminalOyster (and surely others who've yet to reply here), and also to offer my thumbs up to the following astute piece of satire:

ps. I think the cultural war is more like a national stage version of the Stanford experiment meets Fear Factor - Just how far will our contestants cheer authoritarianism and propaganda * so long as it's on their side.?* Let's find out!
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby alloneword » Mon May 14, 2018 5:28 am

JackRiddler » Sun May 13, 2018 10:52 pm wrote:Then again, some people could actually respond to the popular-among-members demands, to stop flooding the board with new threads on old topics and stop repeating the same copy-pastes.

I think it's fairly clear at this point that they could, but they won't. So you have to ask yourself: Why do they do it? What's the pay-off for them? Or more to the point: What can I do to limit that pay-off? ...you know what I'm going to suggest.

JackRiddler » Sun May 13, 2018 10:52 pm wrote:Generally: Hide thread would do wonders. Ignore just doesn't go far enough.

Yes, a 'hide thread' function would be wonderful, But it's not going to happen, since it's not technically feasible.

Even if such a phpbb board modification existed - to the best of my knowledge, it still doesn't - implementing it would present it's own set of problems (e.g. when the main code base is updated).

One failing of the 'ignore' function is that quoted text is still visible. I used to use a mozilla add-on for vbulletin called 'total ignore' that solved this problem neatly, but I've found no equivalent for phpbb.

So the only solution to this is for people to stop quoting the crap-flooding - which they wouldn't be doing if they used the 'ignore' function. ;)

I'm not sure waving money at the mods is really appropriate - I don't recall seeing 82_28 and SRP offering to sell us slices of their lives (although I'm sure they appreciate the sentiment) - I'm sure they'd rather use their limited time on this planet doing other things, preferring not to have it taken up policing this place at all.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby 82_28 » Mon May 14, 2018 6:33 am

Sorry alloneword, but I liked this sentence:

I guess the 'max characters per post' setting in 'post settings' is currently set to 'unlimited'... most boards set a limit, I always thought it odd that there was no limit here, but can fully understand why that might be.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby RocketMan » Mon May 14, 2018 7:10 am

Discussion on parapolitics, the paranormal and parapsychology not so much. They used to be very much in the DNA of this place and why I originally came here. I suspect it is true of others.

Oh well, I guess entropy is entropy.

I'm happy that the new mod team is at least tackling the situation in some manner. THANK YOU.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon May 14, 2018 12:56 pm

liminalOyster » Sun May 13, 2018 5:56 pm wrote:Please drop "Current Events" at least below GD. From a design (and ergonomic) standpoint, it's poor form to add new content piecemeal (IOW outside of a thought-through redesign) and esp to replace long-existing links with others in their same place.


Sorry, but I am personally giving that request a hard NO. This is a brand new forum that I think needs as a big of a spotlight as possible to give it every opportunity for success. I appreciate the fact that Jeff placed it that way.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby minime » Mon May 14, 2018 1:13 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Mon May 14, 2018 10:56 am wrote:
liminalOyster » Sun May 13, 2018 5:56 pm wrote:Please drop "Current Events" at least below GD. From a design (and ergonomic) standpoint, it's poor form to add new content piecemeal (IOW outside of a thought-through redesign) and esp to replace long-existing links with others in their same place.


Sorry, but I am personally giving that request a hard NO. This is a brand new forum that I think needs as a big of a spotlight as possible to give it every opportunity for success. I appreciate the fact that Jeff placed it that way.


The current layout most closely matches literary and journalistic format. Headline/lead (Current Events), story/analysis (General Discussion), backstory/detail (Data and Research), with the feuilleton (Lounge) at the bottom. It'll grow on you. JMO.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon May 14, 2018 1:22 pm

Not when studying Trump.
His position and momentum exemplify parapolitics and parapsychology.
This man is considered the "leader of the free world", and is in the middle of incredible scandal.
The subject deserves all the attention it is given, maybe even more.
RocketMan wrote:Discussion on parapolitics, the paranormal and parapsychology not so much.


By the way, slad has brought plenty of paranormal and alternate history to the board. Others?
Not so much.

I can understand some of these childish complaints (not directed at rocketman), but to suggest that somehow slad is responsible for a lack of RI type info is a gigantic falsehood.

I will add great appreciation for srp's moderating style and action. He is certainly finding his feet and making smart decisions. Thank you!
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon May 14, 2018 1:27 pm

Excellent point minime.

minime wrote:The current layout most closely matches literary and journalistic format. Headline/lead (Current Events), story/analysis (General Discussion), backstory/detail (Data and Research), with the feuilleton (Lounge) at the bottom. It'll grow on you. JMO.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby American Dream » Mon May 14, 2018 1:33 pm

I personally favor moving the Current Events listing under Board Index a notch or two- not because of the themes there but just because the notation is not very meaningful. A listing like General Discussion where there is more change attracts the viewer's eye more, I believe.


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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby liminalOyster » Mon May 14, 2018 1:38 pm

StillRobertPaulsen wrote:Sorry, but I am personally giving that request a hard NO. This is a brand new forum that I think needs as a big of a spotlight as possible to give it every opportunity for success.

I understand your logic. But its the same or similar logic that I've periodically seen lead to user-base disasters.

From a purely functional perspective and an previous life in web design - it is essentially always bad form to suddenly shift page real estate to promote something "new," no matter how noble or exciting it may be to you. It is essentially always best form to build critical mass and acceptance and make a shift like that after announcing it in advance. This has been Google's protocol for almost two decades.Pushing stuff on people to promote it always seems to offend sensibilities no matter how subtly.

Given that this forum has been running for over a decade, there's a very ingrained basic physical habit to clicking in the same place on visit. Messing that up is exactly the kind of thing that drives users crazy and provokes ire, more of which is most likely not needed around here . And its almost always done in the name of thinking that the change will help "promote" something new and important. See years of failed Kinja redesigns and/or the level of ire the new Reddit desing is generating.

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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2018 5:27 pm

liminalOyster » Mon May 14, 2018 12:38 pm wrote:
StillRobertPaulsen wrote:Sorry, but I am personally giving that request a hard NO. This is a brand new forum that I think needs as a big of a spotlight as possible to give it every opportunity for success.

I understand your logic. But its the same or similar logic that I've periodically seen lead to user-base disasters.

From a purely functional perspective and an previous life in web design - it is essentially always bad form to suddenly shift page real estate to promote something "new," no matter how noble or exciting it may be to you. It is essentially always best form to build critical mass and acceptance and make a shift like that after announcing it in advance. This has been Google's protocol for almost two decades.Pushing stuff on people to promote it always seems to offend sensibilities no matter how subtly.

Given that this forum has been running for over a decade, there's a very ingrained basic physical habit to clicking in the same place on visit. Messing that up is exactly the kind of thing that drives users crazy and provokes ire, more of which is most likely not needed around here . And its almost always done in the name of thinking that the change will help "promote" something new and important. See years of failed Kinja redesigns and/or the level of ire the new Reddit desing is generating.

2c only.


Yes, this exactly. I mean, why am I worked up about the trashing of Active Topics with a flood of superfluous daily news trifles (leaving aside the thread proliferation around the same limited set of issues)? I can just click on to GD, right? Except I have a reflex tendency after all these years - as do you all! - to go about it in the same way. Anyway, and now if I click on GD, oops, it's Daily NewsFun where GD was. There is no reason to force that change of the operating interface on us. And why does it need promotion? Let's face it, it was created as a stopgap measure to deal with an internal problem, not because there was specific demand. And it's not working. I wonder, is this supposed to be a publishing venture we're going to develop? I mean, who cares what order of sections the New York Times has? This is not the NYT. It should especially not be, I dunno, Buzzfeed or Huffpo or some such that it is descending into thanks to the irresponsiblity of those who don't want to rein in their thread proliferation and hang for throwing out every daily propaganda item under its own, usually odious, always slanted headline.

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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon May 14, 2018 6:23 pm

JackRiddler » Mon May 14, 2018 4:27 pm wrote:And it's not working.


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And you're welcome to it. But it's here to stay and I like it where it is.

As for your "Active Topics" and "hide thread" suggestions, that is something where I think you have valid arguments, IMO. But being a moderator, I really have no idea how to implement them.
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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby RocketMan » Tue May 15, 2018 7:52 am

stillrobertpaulsen » Mon May 14, 2018 8:27 pm wrote:Please delete this, Rocket Man. I specifically locked a previous OP that engaged in this kind of baiting, but your post is worse, especially with that loaded question.


Well, can't do diddly about this anymore, feel free to delete it with your mod privileges.

Just frustrated. But yeah, not wading in this again, ok.

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Re: Friendly Generic Board Improvement Suggestions

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue May 15, 2018 8:07 am

a friendly reminder since it seems some are too busy complaining to notice issues are being addressed

there is only one SLaD trump thread on the front page of GD, that will remain the case from now on

......check

I have stated previously I will no longer cut and paste articles in anyone else's threads unless I have their permission or it has been the norm in the thread for years

.......check

there is a new forum where I will post news stories so to not flood GD with stuff that is of interest to me

.......check


any other complaints about me that have not been addressed?

don't get your hopes up I think I am done compromising


although this thread really wasn't about me anyway was it? :wink:


oh and did someone ask about a limit on the maximum number of allowed characters in a post?......yes there is one...trust me I have gone over it and a warning was shown :)

The maximum number of allowed characters is 119999.
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