Wapo Shames Democrats with Kick'em Comment from Holder

[Elvis]

[JackRiddler]

Yes Jack, I'm just a dumb dumb that don't know nuffin. I am so blessed that your superior intellect is a model that I should emulate.

You could do worse, like hiring yourself out for free as a talking point whore for FOX, GOP and their Nazi friends.

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[Jerky]

If this thread is the only evidence to go by, then yes, you are in fact a total fucking dumdum to come waltzing through here dropping the single most bogus GOP/alt-right talking point to be shat out this year... and that is one seriously crowded field of contenders we're talking about.

Let's maybe wait until "the Left" can field their own Far Right All Star Team, with the heavy-hitting equivalent of...

ANDERS BREIVIK
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

James Alex Fields Jr (Charlottesville murderer)
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ja ... 1f464c0cb8

Neo-Nazi murderers Devon Alrthurs, Brandon Russell and Samuel Woodward
https://news.jammedup.com/2018/01/31/fi ... azi-group/

Dylan Storm Roof
(duh)

Elliot Rodger
https://www.businessinsider.com/elliot- ... sto-2014-5

Chris Harper Mercer (Oregan campus shooting)
https://mashable.com/2015/10/02/chris-h ... CKTtc5Ziq2

Alexandre Bissonnette (Ben Shapiro's biggest fan in Montreal)
https://www.thespec.com/news-story/7094 ... g-attack-/

James Harris Jackson, who killed Tim Caughman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_ ... y_Caughman

Alt-Reich's Sean Urbanksi “Step left if you know what’s good for you!”
https://whotv.com/2017/05/22/campus-kil ... olice-say/

Jeremy Joseph Christian “That’s what liberalism gets you!” Killed two.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/portland-t ... -you-docs/

Lane Davis, Milo’s boy and Ralph Retort content creator, patricide.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/89284/alt-righ ... n-nazi-row

William Edward Atchison NM high school murderer.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-mexic ... macy-sites

Nicholas Giampa
http://www.crimeonline.com/2018/01/05/n ... s-parents/

Matthew Riehl
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.3734912

Alek Minassian
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43883052

And more and more and more (I know I missed a few).

THEN we can start talking about left/liberal/Democrat violence.

M'kay?
J

Yes Jack, I'm just a dumb dumb that don't know nuffin. I am so blessed that your superior intellect is a model that I should emulate. I'm also glad you have appointed yourself to the central committee for approving board members. Always grateful for your input and I will try harder to be more like you because you have set the standard for human decency and how we all should think. I'm so sorry for disrupting the echo chamber and hope you weren't triggered.

[Karmamatterz]

Let me clarify a bit here.

Why should the standard be lowered to that of which they oppose? Why even come close to saying stupid crap like "kick'em" or we will only be civil when we "win"? If this board, or any other forum or activist group has a desire to make positive change then don't lower yourself to the same crap that the alt-right and far right of the GOP has been doing for years. We can all make long lists of extremists doing dumb, evil and cruel things. I specifically made a point to include an example of where an extreme wacko shot the Arizona rep. Giffords was shot to demonstrate I was not painting a picture that either extreme ends of the spectrum are correct. They are not. The extremes of most things usually end up bad.

Fact is that this board should have more sense to realize that lowering your standards to that of those you consider the enemy is not good. Why is that hard to comprehend? The knee-jerk reactions always turn into a list of tit-for-tat flame war of "well they are doing it too or are much worse." No shit, there are plenty of asshole idiots out there doing bad stuff. Why in the hell even go to the point of trying to justify even more bad behavior or create rhetoric that doesn't advance the cause?

It's funny how when someone makes a point to say let's consider elevating the discussion and finds an example of what should NOT be going gets attacked and the cliche replies make reference to Nazis. Yeah, anybody who doesn't agree with all posters on RI is a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer. I'm not asking anybody to be perfect, I'm far from it. I don't come to this board preaching solutions and claiming to be a pseudo intellectual, perfect citizen or anything remotely close. I come here for information, viewpoints on what others seek and a tiny bit for entertainment value of outlandish crazy shit that people here find that is of esoteric interest. Civil discussions can and should allow for opposing viewpoints, or at the very least consider perspectives that aren't opposing but find errors in agenda, rhetoric, movements, trends etc... What the hell is so wrong with suggesting that conversation not include suggestions of kicking, assaulting etc??? Even if Holder wasn't suggesting actually assaulting people, which he wasn't if you read the entire dialogue, there is no need to lower the standards. If anything being on the right side of things means have higher standards. If we're going to make change or help bring along people into making positive change in society then showing better examples is necessary.

Think of it like raising children. Are kids going to be better off seeing examples where the adults in the room are screaming with out of control emotions having hysterical breakdowns? Or are they seeing adults that have civil, thoughtful discussions that weigh all sides of things and seek to be more inclusive? The overall hysteria in the U.S. right now is pretty disgusting. Almost all political discussions turn into screaming matches. An open palm and consideration of other's ideas and perspectives is required to bring more people into what I think most of you, and myself want for our country. I personally like to explore different perspectives, which is why for years I had a subscription to The Nation. Actually my parents paid for it as a gift as they encouraged me to have a broad base of ideas. I don't bother reading about the latest rhetoric from alt-right nut jobs because they are obviously... nut jobs. Besides, AD supplies enough stuff here to last a lifetime and one doesn't need to taint your web browser with much more than he supplies. In high school my history teacher quietly gave me a copy of the Communist Manifesto to read. Some classmates found out and ridiculed me to the point where just by chance at an athletic event my father overheard some of the bullshit they were saying calling me a communist that he intervened and shut them down. He was a pretty thoughtful man that encouraged a broad education and wanted me to learn as much as I could. I've even gone back to reading more about Marxism lately because I was curious why Jack was so defensive and supportive economic models that seemingly have failed over and over. I'm not a fan of "communism" in the general sense of how it's defined in pop culture, but certainly have a interest is alternative ways in which people can exist that brings about higher standards of living, better education, higher wages and safer work environments. In my youth I worked some seriously shitty jobs that were dangerous and paid incredibly bad hourly wages. My son recently had a job that was very dangerous and was at risk easily losing life or limb. I've encouraged him to stay away from those jobs and helped educate him on what types of companies are good to work for and which are not. At the same time making sure he heard why there needs to be OHSHA, the EPA etc....so that companies don't run amuck. He hears plenty from his mother's side of the family about the opposite, as well as racial slurs and other shitty things that civil, decent people should not be saying.

Get off the high horse Jack and Jerky, we are neighbors in the virtual sense. I don't always agree with what you say and we're not "comrades," but I don't consider you enemies. If anything I consider you to be thoughtful individuals that I agree with on many, but not all things. Maybe this OP should have been under the rhetoric thread. At this point it's not worth advancing this much further if people aren't able to have discussions without the usually dog whistle Nazi association crap.

Go back to the OP and click on the MC Yogi link to their song about change. Then ask yourself, would a Nazi sympathizer listen to that and believe in the lyrics?

[thrulookingglass]

I think what you need to know is Jerky is apply named. Some live for conflict.

[JackRiddler]

Let me clarify a bit here.

Why should the standard be lowered to that of which they oppose? Why even come close to saying stupid crap like "kick'em" or we will only be civil when we "win"?

One of your problems is your very fuzzy sense of pronouns like "we" or "they." Holder -- who said absolutely nothing unreasonable -- is not "the left." Nor are the Democrats, generally speaking. That's FOXNEWS-level thinking, and I don't forgive you for it. "The left" is a varied place. No one on "the left" generically has to answer for the (pretty short) list of individuals you've come up with, except in the case that their actions (if actually bad) were indicative of a programmatic stance widespread on "the left."

"The right" would also not have to answer for the very long list (still only partial) of violent monsters Jerky presents, except for the fact that their actions are indicative of a programmatic stance widespread on "the right," where apologetics for gun-violence, fascist exterminationist fantasies, and rape culture are routine. These views may not be shared by your nice friends who choose to get alienated by randomly cherrypicked "bad" "leftist" behaviors presented to them by FOXNEWS, but I am not responsible for overcoming their denial. Bad people and hypocrites of various sorts may be found everywhere, in any group, and do not inculpate all others in a group -- unless of course that group is a voluntary political association that actually incites precisely the kinds of bad actions in question.

If you're such a leftist, progressive, my "friend," whatever you want to claim, you wouldn't be wasting everyone's time by reproducing what is literally the FOXNEWS made-up anti-left attack talking-point of the day. You can decide for yourself what mix of malintent or dumb-follower syndrome goes into that.

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[Karmamatterz]

Never claimed I am a leftist or progressive. I don't need you or anybody else to try and define it for me. Thanks anyhow, but no thanks. For kicks I did post a link to a online quiz thingy that pegs users and creates a chart. That is as far as I'm defining myself on a scale.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39843&p=602343&hilit=+chart#p602343

Now I see that you really do have a sense of humor. You're upset that I posted something that dozens (if not hundreds) had also published in addition to Fox. Well golly Jack, that MUST be the FIRST time that has EVER happened on RI by anybody. I don't think anybody, yourself included ever plucks something from the mainstream media and discusses it here. If you're so bent out of shape about such a practice perhaps you should do the democratic thing and begin a petition with the owner of the site as well as the mods to ban posting topics that are in the mainstream media. I also posted some mildly trivial info about trade war propaganda very recently and guess what? As I recall you even wrote a reply. That story can also be found on Fox. I hardly ever go directly to Fox, but just did after a Google search showed me they also ran the story. Whatevs man, you're a sensitive guy that gets triggered a lot. I'm not as sensitive and like to explore stuff rather than dismiss. Just because Fox or any other rag or idiot box broadcaster reports on something doesn't always it's not true. Like I said, elevate above the crap and set great examples.

The worst thing he does is to insinuate or directly accuse most everyone who's not full on his line in each given subject of being Them.

Do you recall who wrote that?

I'm a below average writer, so thanks for the suggestions on the grammar. On RI The Right, alt-right and GOP are VERY loosely defined at times blending them altogether. I was following that practice defining the Left as I see here almost daily in how the Right is mischaracterized. Is it accurate? Hell no. Am I glad you actually noticed? Yes. Others should also. There are plenty of people who are Republicans who are not all that conservative. I also know a few really conservative people are claim to be Republicans and I'm not so sure they are. Maybe if you created a lexicon for RI and forced everyone to use it then there would be no wavering from definitions. I'm sure nobody else is loose with definitions or accuses anyone of crimes without convictions. I'm not a Republican or Democrat, but have voted for both at times. I've also voted for my dog several times in the past 12 years as I think he would do just as well in the White House or Congress. I wouldn't vote for him to be county dog catcher as that would be like the Inmates Running the Asylum. I know if my dog were president the White House lawn might have dog shit on it, but that would be better than how we've been shit on by the past 8 chief inquisitors.

The Antifa are doing a great job at instigating shit at some events and have come off looking thuggy at times. Not a fan anybody assaulting anybody else period, let alone at a rally or demonstration. If you're okay with assaulting people thats your thing but don't expect others to accept that behavior. Does the Antifa get the crown as chief asshats of all these demonstrations? No, not yet but they are at times emulating with limited attacks the very shit they supposedly are opposed to.

People get fricking bent out of shape by rhetoric and need to chill out. Get outside, go for a walk. Visit an apple orchard and pick some fruit.

[JackRiddler]

Never claimed I am a leftist or progressive. I don't need you or anybody else to try and define it for me.

No, you don't because you already allow FOX-level right-wing ideology to define it for you. Sorry, not buying that you're so dumb you can't figure out a bogus right-wing attack story when you see it, and before you go to the trouble of posting it here (as if it needed the boost).

So Holder (who said an entirely reasonable thing, of course) and Clinton are collapsed with Antifa and BLM and socialists and feminists and "Hollywood" and "identity politics" into one big imaginary "left," which is used synonymously with "liberal." This is the daily FOX blah blah, which you may or may not watch, but you don't need to because you've already got it in stereo in your head. Elsewhere I'd expect you were ignorant and maybe even a bit of a victim of the ideology. Here, after years, I know you to be a bad actor, a fake, a man who feels wounded by women's politics in particular, a partisan dishing out bullshit (partly to yourself no doubt) about how you're just a regular hobbit of the Shire.

Your apple grove is rotting by the way. Another sure sign of a bad actor online is when the joker who just posted X-thousand words tells others they're spending too much time here. This is seriously one that should be disqualifying -- if you're on this board, you don't get to cast aspersions on others for being on this board. Clearly, from the length of your disingenuous crap and your claims that you're not much one for letters it must be taking many hours, so it's your soul that lacks the bracing walk outside. For me, this is quick drive-by. Go to your apple orchard and stay away from here, enjoy your life and don't waste our time any more.

Oh, and I presume that I must be the one who wrote the out-of-context sentence you riddle us about, which of course will show nothing. Did you know that I have never seen fit to bother searching for anything you ever wrote, because it was all so boring whether or not we agreed? But clearly, this dipping into my file, Herr Kommissar, is more evidence of all the time you're wasting here. Go into the fresh air! Remember to blame the liberals and the blacks when you vote again for Trump.

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[Karmamatterz]

This is the daily FOX blah blah

Haha...or here on RI. Yes Jack, I get ALL of my idealogical values from the fucking media. Because you know it all, right? You know I do nothing but watch Fox and then rush here to post nonsensical criticisms. You write that trivial dumbed assed shit all day, I could care less.

You really don't know JackShit, Jack. Seriously Jack, you're a complete moron when it comes to knowing me. You're very very eager to attack almost everything I write about that points out a hypocrisy or something which is just foolish. It's almost become an obsession for you. I'm simply not that interesting of a person for you to take so much interest in me. It sure isn't for my writing skills or fanciful life. You're factually correct about my poor use of grammar, but other than that you're simply ignorant. I don't suffer fools gladly when they are hypocrites and move the goal posts around based on their emotional rant of the day.

Wounded by women's politics? Wounded? LOL! See, you're humor once again is shining. Women's politics have almost zero impact on my life other than occasional discussions. One experience in my life (divorce) had a lasting impact. That wasn't politics you ignorant fool, it was a lazy magistrate who didn't follow the state revised code on formulas for calculating support. He was also ignorant of parental alienation, which isn't a political issue but one of ignorance.

You're very thinned skinned about any criticism if I didn't know better you could be pegged a whining grown man who is a poor me victim of capitalism. I know you're too bright to play the victim role, but nonetheless it's not very becoming how you position yourself as the wannabe dictator of RI. No, I didn't go searching for any of your posts. I was reading the thread on notable books and actually found you mentioned a few I found interesting. While browsing noticed Rex posted something interesting and you wrote a reply I saw. It's a common practice to copy and paste quotes or notes on from here and revisit them later when relevant.

The world is a beautiful place full of some beautiful people and not the dismal gray miasma you often define it as. Don't worry Jack, I do get outside plenty, but I'm not depressed and don't lead a miserable life trying to control others around me when I feel like I have no control over things larger than myself. Nor do I live a based on utopian fantasies of epic historical failures and dreams riddled with things opposing the nature of humans. What's even more ironic is how you try to use my unusually lengthy post here to then describe how I'm not allowed to suggest others get outside and away from the keyboard. Who has thousands and thousands of posts here? It isn't me.

I will suggest you simply place me on ignore if you're so offended. If the owner of the site wants to ban me he can as it's his prerogative. The OP had a photo of a flower in front of bayonets. If I've made any mistake at all it's been in assuming that the Left was the spectrum full of peace loving folks, not hard ass dicks who are passive aggressive control freaks. My life experiences with the Left has been filled with a lot of great people who are opposed to violence, seek peace, justice and have dedicated their lives to bettering the world. I suppose I was naive to think you or others actually gave a shit about peace. Not everyone wants a revolution by burning civilization to the ground or being a jackass along the journey. Remember Jack, pull your head of your ass next time you try to brand someone a racist based soley on your solipsistic ignorance. It will do you wonders to actually breathe fresh air that doesn't smell like shit.

[JackRiddler]

Lots of insults have been thrown about, lots of irrelevancies have been said. Nothing's changed from the headline and the opening post. Lies and generalized attacks on an imaginary "left," incidentally the titular argument (Holder) on the same day that it was the coordinated attack point for right-wing media. Did you fail to notice? You've still failed to notice, is the point, so that makes you a) stupid and stubborn or b) a bad actor. And I don't care. A whole bunch of down-home-on-the-farm regular guy nice stuff that has NOTHING to do with that, a lot of dissembling about "civility" and the like. You made yourself into this very minor propaganda tool, cheapest possible labor. You dug your own hole, are now too proud to crawl out of it.

[Elvis]

[Karmamatterz]

Stubborn? Yes, very much so.

The insults started with the cliche and heavily overused accusation of being either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. It's your goto pompous reply when you get triggered. The insinuation of me being a racist won't stand without a volley back at you. The Nazi shit you toss around like limp salad in a bowl of cliches often just creates an eye roll and sometimes laughs, especially coming from someone who has the skills and intellect to be more insightful.

Now the argument about the news cycle and how you're saying I was a "tool" or played by the usual trite tactics has some merit. Normally I'm very aware of the standard operating procedure for how all that works and is used by all or nearly all of the MSM. So you're accurate to comment that I "fell for it." I should have been more objective (which I often aim for) and explored it more deeply. The fact is, it's a much much shorter list of daily news items and commentary to list what is not part of the MSM agenda for the Left and the Right in the tit-for-tat banter that goes on 24/7/365. Can you agree to that? Or at least acknowledge that it exits? Looking at a large chunk of the content posted here you could make a claim on practically a daily basis content is manipulated by the MSM and regurgitated here without any acknowledgement of the manipulations of the news cycles and their SOP.

Will you use the same vigor to point this out on other posts? Maybe you already do and I don't catch it. I go in spurts having time to keep up on the material here and be engaged. There are hundreds of threads I am behind on in reading that have been posted over the years...thus my offline notes folder with quips, quotes, lists and links to things like books and such. It all started with Jeff's Coincidence Theory I read back in 2004 which still stands as monument which woke up many of us who fell asleep at the wheel or had turned away from all this for various reasons. For me it started when I called in sick to stay home to watch the testimony of Condolezza Rice before the 9-11 Commission and realized everything she said seemed like a lie. I got online and stumbled onto RI. An amazing find!

It would be fair to say in posting the Kick'em thread I simply followed what many others have been doing for quite some time. It was weak, but nonetheless my main point still stands regardless if I was played. The level of discourse should be elevated higher than what the thugs use. Set aside Holder's comments and look at what Hillary was quoted. If she was POTUS her comment would be akin to the daily barrage of putrid nonsense and ugly that Trump pukes out. The higher ground is less ugly and more reasonable dialogue that brings people together to create solutions and doesn't create instant polarization. Call me naive and wishful, but given the current state of visceral dialogue going on a change in tone and tenor would be a positive one. If anything I learned a good lesson here to be more careful.

Back down on the farm...I didn't vote for Trump. I had intended to write-in my dog. My mother asked for a birthday present a week before the election and begged me to vote for Hillary. She had never once in my life asked for anything from me in such a passionate manner and given her age and health I thought oh what the hell. So I cast my vote for Hillary for my mother even though it went against my principles.

[JackRiddler]

Stubborn? Yes, very much so.

The insults started with the cliche and heavily overused accusation of being either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer.

No sir, this started with YOUR thread, the one we are posting in, with YOUR title, employing the day's falsehood from the right-wing propaganda machine, in this case a crude misrepresentation of an entirely reasonable sentence from Holder, which you repeated and have yet to correct. In acting as a repeater, a follower, the equivalent of a lackey, perhaps merely an unconscious sheep, you further cooperated in conflating this right-wing propaganda lie with a general condemnation of your imaginary, all-purpose enemy beast, "the left." Thus you engaged yourself, you took sides, whether or not you are capable of understanding something so basic. And in response I have not called you the names you claim. Rather I have suggested that only a moron or a bad actor would be taking up such nonsense, especially here. You in turn have responded with acres of dissembling and projection, never addressing that point. Presumably because it's true. You can absolutely be acting to enable the ascendant fascism without having a clue that you are doing so, one can definitely be as insensate as you are displaying.

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[Karmamatterz]

The entire article I lifted the quote from. Notice it's not FOX but Wapo. Not that there is a huge difference except for their ownership and style. New thread title that is more appropriate. Well, I tried to rename the thread. What does one have to do to have the parent thread title changed so it reflects the one I used in this post?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... ca2dd1a628

By Aaron Blake
October 10
For the second time this week, a leading Democratic voice is proposing that the party pursue a meaner, more combative approach — with this one going so far as to allude to metaphorical violence.

During a campaign swing in McDonough, Ga., on Sunday, former attorney general Eric Holder notes former first lady Michelle Obama’s high-minded 2016 slogan, “When they go low, we go high.” Then he makes clear he disagrees.

“No, no,” Holder says. “When they go low, we kick 'em. That’s what this new Democratic Party is about."

Several minutes later, Holder clarifies that he’s not advocating anything illicit.

"When I say we, you know, ‘We kick ‘em,’ I don’t mean we do anything inappropriate. We don’t do anything illegal,” Holder said. “But we got to be tough, and we have to fight for the very things that [civil rights leaders] John Lewis, Martin Luther King, Whitney Young – you know, all those folks gave to us.”


The former Obama administration official and potential 2020 Democratic presidential candidate was in the state to campaign for Democratic gubernatorial nominee Stacey Abrams and others. His comments surfaced just after 2016 nominee Hillary Clinton suggested that Democrats can’t afford to be civil with Republicans if they want to retake power.

In his comments, Holder noted that he and his wife are close with Michelle Obama and former president Barack Obama. “I love her,” Holder assured. “She and my wife are like really tight, which really scares me and Barack.”

Democrats as a party have struggled with just how much to adopt the kind of tactics employed by President Trump and Republicans such as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Trump has regularly alluded to and even egged on potential violence at his rallies and encouraged crowds to chant that his political opponents should be “locked up.”


Democratic leaders earlier this year balked when Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) suggested that Democrats should effectively harass Trump administration officials in public. Clinton’s and Holder’s comments, though, suggest that even establishment Democrats are warming to a more confrontational approach. We’ll see whether they’re comfortable with the way Holder phrased it.

Sure, try and mask your words projecting that I would be blaming "the blacks" when I vote for Trump again. If you're going to preach at least get it straight. Maybe you want to explain more clearly how that reference to blacks isn't an accusation of me being a racist? If not an accusation then a not so sly insinuation. That's offensive, but it's not the first time you've been that way with RI members and I'm sure it won't be the last.

Imaginary left wing? Imaginary right wing? I didn't invent the terms or political spectrums. They already exist. Both sides have beasts in them. If that's offensive to you that I point out both have evil that's your problem. I didn't condemn the left in general, it was pretty specific. You can howl all day and night about the purity of the left and the evil of the right. Republican/Democrat? They are often one in the same beast as far as I'm concerned. Isn't that obvious? Will it trigger you again if I write that the "left" has evil people aligned with it just as the "right" does? The rhetoric, no matter who the hell originally published it, is quoted from people who spoke the words. Read it for yourself. If Holder and Hillary are unhappy with how their words were portrayed they should be more careful. At least Holder went on to clarify himself. Not only was that in the OP link but it's above.

[JackRiddler]

Thanks to your dedication to going on and on about this, rather than getting out into the apple grove, you can win here. You choose how to squirm out of the terms you use and change the ever-expanding and ever-more trivial subject. It's tedious and not worth my time.

I have already alerted that you intend to change the thread title, which would be falsification. I don't think you should get to hide this. You created this, you knew what it meant (or else you are a fool: either way).

So in conclusion, I will stick solely to the OP, which suffices. You didn't take the approach of the WaPo article, or there would have been NOTHING to post here, and it's disingenuous to claim that now. Rather, you began by arguing that there is something uncivil or wrong about saying that when someone attacks you, you should not hug and kiss them, but attack them back. (A tenet that can be debated philosophically, to be sure.) Then you associated this with "violence," and listed a bunch of unrelated individual acts of violence. This was not the WaPo article approach, but it was the broad-spectrum right-wing attack point of the day, in keeping with what they do all the damn time. Bad coincidence I guess. Then you attacked a "left" that's a grab bag of the right-wing propaganda imaginary. Now you complain that all you can do is use the vocabulary of the enemy. What else is there but to repeat their terms and definitions? Left, right, difference between a Democratic former attorney general, BLM, socialists or antifa, who has time to figure that all out?! Poor guy! Great start, though. Next step: Who has time to even post here, right? Get out into the apple grove, or take to the Youtube comments where you can really live out your talents.

You have not addressed (nor seem to have understood) any of this, so here it is again:

Stubborn? Yes, very much so.

The insults started with the cliche and heavily overused accusation of being either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer.

No sir, this started with YOUR thread, the one we are posting in, with YOUR title, employing the day's falsehood from the right-wing propaganda machine, in this case a crude misrepresentation of an entirely reasonable sentence from Holder, which you repeated and have yet to correct. In acting as a repeater, a follower, the equivalent of a lackey, perhaps merely an unconscious sheep, you further cooperated in conflating this right-wing propaganda lie with a general condemnation of your imaginary, all-purpose enemy beast, "the left." Thus you engaged yourself, you took sides, whether or not you are capable of understanding something so basic. And in response I have not called you the names you claim. Rather I have suggested that only a moron or a bad actor would be taking up such nonsense, especially here. You in turn have responded with acres of dissembling and projection, never addressing that point. Presumably because it's true. You can absolutely be acting to enable the ascendant fascism without having a clue that you are doing so, one can definitely be as insensate as you are displaying.

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