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It is engaged simultaneously in the biggest projects to convert to solar energy, and also opening enough new coal mines to provide its outsize share in overdetermining the planetary catastrophe. Both of these industries are run by the capitalist rules.
Sounder » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:06 pm wrote:That said, I work in the trades and do like having some input in what i get paid and whats left after the bills are paid. Same with yellow vests and all others cursed with new prosperity metrics.
So yes Harvey, you may say that many do not 'believe' in CC for anti-tax or selfish reasons, but at the same time those folk realize on some level that the forces that created the problem are not the people qualified to fix the problem. What govts. say and what they do are two different things.
And that you have any say and some measure of democracy too is something that most capitalists as a powerful front fought against violently for a hundred years before it was won away from them by organized workers with socialist ideas.
A real solution would be in the immediate expropriation of the billionaires and the criminal entities in hydrocarbons and banking and the direction of their resources toward a renewable energy conversion. Since that's "impossible," a Green New Deal with a bit of MMT is as good as it gets.
Sounder » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:48 pm wrote:And that you have any say and some measure of democracy too is something that most capitalists as a powerful front fought against violently for a hundred years before it was won away from them by organized workers with socialist ideas.
Walter Reuther is one of my few heroes. He lived up the street from my in-laws, so I read a dreadfully written yet wonderful biography by his daughter. What a guy, -talk about brass balls. Then came Hoffa.A real solution would be in the immediate expropriation of the billionaires and the criminal entities in hydrocarbons and banking and the direction of their resources toward a renewable energy conversion. Since that's "impossible," a Green New Deal with a bit of MMT is as good as it gets.
Your 'real solution' IMO reflects dominant narrative fixation with objects. You would place 'blame' and expropriate the billionaires and bankers ill gotten gains. Another option is to collectively recognize that our split-model thrives on acquisitiveness, -getting things, that replaces authentic experiences and relationships with poor substitutes. If the community at large were not driven by acquisitiveness, we would produce a much smaller strain on the environment. At that point it will be plain to all that the bankers have overstepped their proper role and have no proper claim to be the issuers of currency. Remove that privilege and these fortunes will melt away.
Your 'good as it gets' is clearly not good enough, so I will trudge on.
Everybody wants "things". Food on the table, a roof over their head, school for their children and healthcare for grandma. All of those needs are met with "objects", not happy thoughts,
and as Jack already pointed out, a small group of very rich people dominate the political narrative and perpetuate the status quo because it's good for them, so I agree completely that a good way to start would be to take away their power. Breaking the current power structures is, as I see it, a prerequisite for improving people's lives and fighting climate change.
You seem to be arguing that if we could just change human nature on a global scale everything will get better and we will cast off the yoke of fiat currency.
I'm reminded of the Natural Law Party of Norway. They wanted to replace today's political structures with transcendental meditation, which would somehow fix everything. Spoiler alert: it didn't (unless you count giving people a good laugh).
Sounder wrote: it will be plain to all that the bankers have overstepped their proper role and have no proper claim to be the issuers of currency. Remove that privilege and these fortunes will melt away.
Sounder » Thu Feb 21, 2019 4:09 am wrote:I do not know much about money, so I looked a bit. Maybe the conversation can be continued on the MMT thread.
I seem to get tripped up as I wonder where the banks and FED get the money to buy treasuries, and suspect that interest has something to do with it. I would suppose that while the principle of a loan gets zeroed out, the interest is added to the balance sheet.
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