French Uprising of December 2018

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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:06 pm

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"Social Justice Warrior" is an insult deployed (almost) exclusively by the right wing and other enemies of the left. I will not acceed to the use of enemy language, however naively you may be applying it. "SJW" is used so as to avoid and de-legitimate terms such as antiracist, antifascist, feminist, leftist, socialist, etc., which are things that actual people who do actual things and generally have legitimate causes actually call themselves. "SJW" is an imaginary character, like the tens of thousands of Caravan Mexicans coming to rape and pillage Duluth.

Like the use of "red" and "blue," it is an attempt to turn politics into psychology, or essence (to "essentialize"). Political views are not considered in terms of premises, interests, arguments and proposals, but as secondary functions of an ascribed identity, of a fashion or subculture, of an emotional state, or of some inner characteristic that can then be mocked, or treated like a psychological syndrome, or seen as a temporary insanity of the young. Of course, political views can be any or all of the above, but essentialization narrows them down to the latter set.

I'm having none of this. There is nothing "civil" about your use of this term. Not after I have told you this already several times. So no more excuses. It says you want to be my enemy. So in turn, I will not be lectured by you on how to be "civil."

Let's say you were a Democrat, Heaven Swan (for the argument), and I started exclusively calling you a Fuckocrat, or a Dumbocrat (the latter is an actual thing you will see). Let's say I posted smarmy videos by a Dunning-Kruger victim who thinks he is smarter than you and wants to explain why Everyone Hates Dumbocrats, or How Dumbocrats Can Become More Likable to Normal People. That is all you are doing in your adoption of this term and your posting of this video.

Now it may be that at some time, some original idiot or several idiots did in fact coin the term as a positive self-description (thus proving they were idiots, at least in terms of understanding what appeals to others and what does not). It may be, but it doesn't matter now, as "SJW" is found almost exclusively on the right (or that part of the right who present as "center") as an attack term, deployed against many different kinds of ideas and people who never call themselves "SJWs." SJW is what Jordan Peterson wants to call his enemies. Those few who might be suckered into describing themselves this way are Stockholm Syndrome sufferers. Kind of like people who want to be victims in other contexts might call themselves "Truthers" or "Conspiracy Theorists."

In short, I will not be instructed by you or by insulting new age "let's all get along" videos on how to approach people.

If I think a fight is warranted, I will fight.

If I am offended
-- such as by Jerky's non-sequitur suggestion that I want to see the death of several billion people -- then I almost certainly have a fucking good reason to be offended, and don't want to hear platitudes about how there is never a good reason to be offended from some fucking couldn't-be-whiter Ron Howard clone on Youtube. Dig?

If I am angry, then I probably have a fucking good reason to be angry.

If I think some motherfucker is dishonest, I will say so, rather than play along as if we're all in kindergarden. I may not want to play in your playground.

There is plenty of war in this world and it would hardly be in the spirit of the Yellow Vests to pretend otherwise. They understand their own context as a class war. They are not looking to join refined society and be judged as nice. They are not trying to be liked by every last person in the universe, which is impossible and undesirable. They are looking to fight -- meaning to fight back -- to organize, and to win.


Certainly you, HS, do not expect to apply this kind of fake pretense of naivete in regard to say, Macron, or the ruling class. You would never think Macron just doesn't understand, and needs to be treated with greater civility and given a bit of context until he does. If he pretended to understand (as he did with his golden palace speech), you would mistrust him. You would think it was a move, insincere.

So, to be clear: I have not insulted Jerky. I have kicked his fucking ass after he started a fight with me. Too bad for him.

While you have not realized it, you have probably insulted Jerky a lot worse than I did.

To wit:

Heaven Swan wrote:Jerky may be sincere but lacking in context and information, just like ten or twenty other people you may know. Refuting him, but in a respectful manner may not only win him over, but may help others too.


This is laughably contrary to the self-image that Jerky openly projects, which is that he is a lot smarter than you, or else that he cites authorities or data that are a lot smarter than you.

Jerky did not wander in here yesterday. He may be wrong as fuck, but the last thing he would ever consider himself to be is "lacking in context and information," certainly when compared to you. Sorry, that's how it is.

If it were actually possible to persuade him of a point of view with which he currently differs, one would have to present mounds of flawlessly superior context and information. And then he'd still find some insanely minor point to misinterpret so as to claim you got everything wrong, and maybe accuse you of being Russian or anti-Western or pro-plague, after which he'd be completely unaffected by anything you said. Because he's not here to be affected. He's here to be right. He's here to win.

I'm here for various reasons, including learning and reading and especially testing out my own views in writing, and maybe even changing my mind (as I have about a lot of things regarding say, finance). I'm here for the small but intimate audience. I'm here to divert myself instead of doing more useful things. Sometimes I'm here to do stunt insults, if I feel it's warranted or fun enough. But if I'm going to get into a fight on a principle I believe in, then I am here to win. Not "by any means," which is to say I don't want to deploy sophistry. But when someone else does do that, "civility" ain't got nothing to do with it.

Sure, it's nice to be nice, but "civility" too often is synonymous either with a) surface bullshit of zero intrinsic truth-value or b) a means by which lightweight fakers, losing an argument or having nothing to say, try to play a trump card, claiming that oh gosh, someone talked out of turn or said something mean, and so try to divert by making an issue out of that. One can try to minimize the opportunities for dishonest people to do that by not being unnecessarily impolite. But if they really want to play that card, they always will. They will always find a way to claim some manner of "civility" has been violated. So I tend not to give a fuck.

Now, who here would like to re-devote this fucking thread to the fucking Yellow Jackets uprising in fucking France? Any new developments? Anyone know how to translate 50 types of "fuck" into idiomatic French?

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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby peartreed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:33 pm

It’s obvious that even the brightest minds can be impaired by sadly arrested emotional development.

When arguments become apparent projections of one’s own faults onto others, reason is lost and civil discussion won’t survive the intemperate egocentricity and offense taken by the emotionally immature.

That’s when rational, objective and cool reasoning descends into a heated, defensive, ugly diatribe.

Much like les gilets jaunes display multiple motivations within their common cause and street protests there are likely many causal factors forming an individual’s social maladjustment and intolerance of authority – especially when the social misfit’s antiestablishment attitude is ingrained from childhood abuse or similar rejection by authority figures during formative, frustrated development stages in life.

The difference is that the yellow vested victims of tyranny in France can intelligently explain anger with Macron and the unfair impositions of that rule to justify their opposition, while the emotionally damaged and deranged dissident may not consciously be able to recognize, understand or articulate a constant inner anger with the world generally and with so many opponents and enemies specifically. Instead, the social maladjustment manifests as mean and mendacious misrepresentation of others.

It would be a welcomed change to return to civil and respectful interactions and discussions here without the defensively deranged diatribes and vitriol.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Sounder » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:18 pm

All this is funny to me, sorry. IRL some people think of me as being a some what ornery person. I am not proud of this and try very hard to be kind in my demeanor despite known outspoken opinions. Still, I say what I say, maybe it's a kind of tourettes, whatever, but some people do have thin skin.

Being a nicer person is necessary practice for ornery folk.

Now at the risk of triggering at least someone, here is a bit from the hated zero-hedge. And no, I am not nor have ever been a supporter of the AfD party.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02- ... nly-europe


.......liberal political, economic theory and international law crushed the life out of other, competing accounts, becoming the virtually unquestioned framework for what an educated person needs to know about the political world.

So what? What is the point? Well, firstly, it is that the AfD leader, Alexander Gauland, is saying that the EU is neither liberal, nor free, nor an ‘order’ (or Empire), but is coercive in its (secularised, Judeo-Christian) desire to achieve human or social unity through reducing ‘all’ to a single model (the liberal, regulated, EU ‘order’).

The point here is not just that such an establishment German publication should be touching such a ‘hot button’ issue (the possible influence of German national-socialism as the scaffold, on which EU politics is structured); but more substantively, through the tacit admission that that the AfD leader has a point (i.e. he is advancing the ‘other’ grand vision for Europe’s political order). 

The author duly concedes this: “there are many politicians in the AfD who would like to return to traditional equilibrium thinking” (a concert of independent sovereign powers). But then – echoing the Establishment line – the author says simply that it is impossible: Too much has been invested in the EU project to permit it to be yielded-up.

The ‘retrospective’ after the Second World War, von Altenbockum says, led to the [EU project] “being given an immovable, institutional anchorage, which inevitably involves a renunciation of sovereignty”.

But it is here that Brexit takes meaning for Gauland: Not simply as British resentment at Germany’s domination of Europe, but because England consistently was ‘on the other side’, opposing these visions of a universalism imposed through a reduction to a single model of empire – “as everyone knows, England opposed them”, Gauland states.
Locke, it is true, sought to strengthen the nation-state paradigm and not undermine it. Nevertheless, in fashioning his theory he downplayed or entirely omitted essential aspects to human society. In the Second Treatise, Locke abstracts away the intellectual, spiritual or cultural inheritance that one receives through descent. The result is the depreciation of even the most basic bonds that had been thought to hold society together.

Similarly, the government that is brought into being by the social contract of the Second Treatise is eerily without borders or boundaries. Institutions such as the national state, community, family, and the church appear to have no reason for existing at all. Without intending it, the framework provided by Locke’s Treatise makes the Protestant ‘order’ exceedingly difficult to explain, much less justify. He may have intended otherwise, but what he did was to give birth to a ‘liberal’ construction of politics which underpins the opposite of the nation-state.

What does this mean? Brexit, les gillets jaunes, la Lega, the Afd, the Visegrad group – the future of Europe is in serious contention, despite the fact that University-educated political and intellectual elites in America and Europe are now mostly sequestered within the liberal frame.

Yet an article such as this piece from the Frankfurter Allgemeiner newspaper – and its discussion of the purported link between European integration and national socialism – Wolfgang Münchau remarks, represents “an explosive connection” hitherto confined only to fringe discussion in Germany. It underlines that the Euro-élite are beginning to recognize the potential combustibility of this conflict. They can see that real issues – ancient struggles about the very nature of politics, society, culture and how human potential is to be developed – are at issue. 

And to understand this gives the framework to understand European foreign policy: How, even after the disaster of Libya, European leaders can, for example, ignore the long history of interventions in Venezuela, to support a new intervention. Or, wish to withhold reconstruction finance and assistance from Syria. It recalls the Babylonian king’s desire to “bring the four quarters of the world to obedience”. That obedience, after all, being in their own best interest.

Is it going too far for Gauland to have described the EU as ‘latent totalitarian’? Well, Yanis Varoufakis gives us the flavour of it: from his first visit to Brussels and Berlin as Greece’s freshly elected finance minister:

“When Schäuble welcomed me with his “it is my mandate against yours” doctrine, he was honouring a long EU tradition of neglecting democratic mandates in the name of respecting them. Like all dangerous hypotheses, it is founded on an obvious truth: the voters of one country cannot give their representative a mandate to impose upon other governments conditions that the latter have no mandate, from their own electorate, to accept. But, while this is a truism, its incessant repetition by Brussels functionaries and political powerbrokers, such as Angela Merkel and Schäuble himself, is intended to convert it surreptitiously into a very different notion: no voters in any country can empower their government to oppose Brussels.”

Varoufakis adds, they never listen:
“My team and I worked hard to put forward proposals based on serious econometric work and sound economic analysis. Once these had been tested on some of the highest authorities in their fields, from Wall Street and the City to top-notch academics, I would take them to Greece’s creditors in Brussels, Berlin and Frankfurt. Then I would sit back and observe a symphony of blank stares. It was as if I had not spoken: As if there was no document in front of them. It would be evident from their body language that they denied the very existence of the pieces of paper I had placed before them. Their responses, when they came, would be perfectly independent of anything I had said. I might as well have been singing the Swedish national anthem. It would have made no difference.”
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:20 pm

So of the two options I mentioned, is Parson Peartreed's somber sugary sermon above more of "a" or "b"?

me wrote:Sure, it's nice to be nice, but "civility" too often is synonymous either with a) surface bullshit of zero intrinsic truth-value or b) a means by which lightweight fakers, losing an argument or having nothing to say, try to play a trump card, claiming that oh gosh, someone talked out of turn or said something mean, and so try to divert by making an issue out of that.


Sure, "a" goes without saying, but in this case I think the answer is "b." Not related to any argument on this thread, but more a general effort to affect to be appalled every damn time I don't just shut up.

Or perhaps:

The Parson: "O what a noble mind is here overthrown!"
JR: "Get thee to a nunnery."

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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Harvey » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:30 am

France is ablaze with protest and dissent. There is, let's just whisper it, a revolution going on. From Google to Bing (including all sites using either as an engine) you wouldn't know it. The English language conspiracy including all Western mainstream media (with a few notable exceptions) are doing their job, to fundamentally distort our perception of reality. The French working class are Russian Nazi's we're told, despite the inherent contradictions.

As many times as we see it, it's always breathtaking to behold directly.



The above is not a local problem, it's global. Having read virtually the same copy attached to a particular story, often varying only in sentence order, across various outlets and languages I know it's as bad now as it's ever been. As wealthy denizens of the West are quietly building underground shelters beneath mansions throughout the affluent suburbs, French working class have had enough. This report came early on from Benn Swann. He does his best to address the oddity, but as much as I like him, he barely scratches the surface, even of the issue he chooses to highlight, 'Carbon Tax sparks off protests'



He can't really get into the more general point, why 'solutions' to climate crisis proposed by the polluting industries and their pet governments are 'consumer led.' The cost of industrial activity is always shunted upon those least able to bear it by those most responsible. From plastic, to fracking, to oil spills, to carbon, to pesticides, to heavy metals, to endocrine disruptors. Like many notionally independent voices Swann appears mindful of the complex swirl of ideas comprising his audience. Generational indoctrination compounded by employability* lead a large segment of his audience to believe that the climate crisis is a 'big government' hoax to raise taxes.** In their world, tax rises are at least as evil as aggressive war and for many, an order of magnitude greater. Even if current tax arrangements disproportionally affect them, tax proposals only affecting the relatively affluent are off the menu as a matter of dietary principle. (That may be changing.)

A generally accepted polluter pays principle remains quite simply unthinkable. Why? Jobs. Peace is unthinkable. Why? Jobs. We can send a man to the moon but we can't process the seeming 'enormity' of redirecting skilled workers toward peaceful (and even lucrative) ends.

Despite government and taxes being responsible for all major infrastructure programs from roads, schools, hospitals, Universities, science and technology R&D, the Internet Interent itself, etc tax is inherently evil. Through public spending on everything from bank bailouts to aviation fuel subsidies, corporations have reaped the benefit of all this investment while successfully demonising government and the taxation system that built it all. House media bang on about 'big government' as the enemy and taxes as a clear obstacle to freedom but neither need be the case. Only international co-operation of state governments hold the solution to our most urgent problems. And despite the body corporate actually owning governments, lock, stock and barrel, spending continues to grow, debt continues to rise and government continues to be the villain.

Here's an interesting pair of graphs:

Global military spending 2017.jpg


But 'we can't afford healthcare.'

If government is so intrinsically evil in 'corporate think' why has 'industry' colonised most of it's functions at a knock down price? What do they know that their media representatives apparently don't? Why are corporations charging people far more for services than services used to cost in taxes? In return for far worse and far less universal service? Taxes have not fallen much for average Americans as a result of decades of selling off infrastructure and utilities (paid for in decades of back breaking graft by the people) but these parasites rent it all back to Americans at a premium, while assuring them that benefits are parasitical and that work shall set them free.

The twentieth century, with a few noticeable interruptions, the new deal for example, has been a gradual process of acclimatising the population to accept labour and tax laws which disfavour them absolutely and disproportionately advantage a vanishingly small elite.

Yet:

“In America, anyone can be president.”

“In America, with hard work, anyone can make their fortune.”


That most people demonstrably don't, that incomes and life expectancy are falling while inequality is rising exponentially has been difficult for the majority not to notice. God knows they've tried.

That the world cannot sustain even one America under these unequal conditions is apparent enough, but to sustain an America where everyone squanders resources like a millionaire would require several worlds we don't have. There are now insurmountable contradictions inherent in the cultural beliefs of the nation, in it's history, traditions and stories. It would not be unfair, from a North European perspective, to call this the 'Cult of America.' We've hardly done much better in the UK but there remains a critical distance between most Europeans and their nation states as expressed by corporate and popular culture.

Macron, currently presiding over sweeping privatisation and 'financialisation' of the French economy represents a definite sense of the Reagan/Thatcher and Blair era's combined and accelerated. A fact not lost upon the French working class but which hardly merits any recognition in the view from English language media.

Clearly it's not within any media agenda to delineate Macron's idealogical extremism when they share it. In the second round of French presidential elections the only candidate to offer remotely progressive policies was, confusingly, Le Pen's Front Nationale, strategically occupying the political vacuum of anything notionally resembling 'the left.' Western media exclusion of the left resulted in this 'shock' battle between the far right Le Pen, wearing a social and economic left(ish) clown costume and Macron, urbane in the appearance of socially left(ish) but economically extreme far right. Elite banker Macron. Macron dressed in his dapper but very grey 'centrist' business suit. The freedom of (no) choice had predictable results, generating scenes more reminiscent of the (media embargoed) scenes in Catalonia than the Great Return March, but with Israeli training and tactics behind both. The Catalan independence government are currently awaiting trial for crimes against democracy. Israeli apartheid government with it's new racial laws, is not.

Before all of this, France, within the EU was a lone voice against the insanity of Iraq. Today Italy within the EU is almost a lone voice against the insanity of Venezuela. By the time that French TV stations were allegedly being hacked by ISIS France was already engaged alongside USUK in Syria. The supposed hack of French TV came not long after Charlie Hebdoe (yes,currently demonising the working class in it's pages) but before Bataclan and the explosions in Brussels airport and many more dramatic shootings in Paris immediately before the election. (Recalling events in the two months prior to the 2017 UK General Election.)

All of this reminded us, if we needed reminding, that the morality of those who 'catalyse events' *** is inimical to the continuation of civilisation. Their death wish is more fanatical than any Jihadist precisely because it is invisible not just to the majority, but to themselves.

As Britain seemingly prepared to desert it's appointed role as America's Trojan Horse to Europe, in 2014 and one year before the formation of Cambridge Analytica (owned and directed by literal British aristocracy and Conservative establishment figures but attributed in The Guardian to Russia) a film called Edge of Tomorrow posited an unreasoning alien menace resident beneath the surface of everyday life in Paris. To which the solution was of course a futuristic US military led by Top Gun propaganda veteran Tom Cruise. I noticed what themes were in play but few others seemed to. I wrote about it elsewhere and predicted the broad shape of subsequent events in France.

In retrospect, it seems easy to suggest France was always destined to assume the mantle vacated by Britain in a Europe increasingly dominated by corporate economic doctrines. But increasingly, as we've seen incrementally in Libya, Syria and now Venezuela, France has been pushing America's wider international agenda of complete 'full spectrum dominance.' Comparing the welcome Vladimir Putin could expect at European summits just a few short years ago with today, we might assume this plan is near to fruition but in truth, we are probably no more than a year or more from it's total collapse.

The European population is increasingly appalled by American driven wars while it's media desperately crank out increasingly schizophrenic justifications or condemnations according to their leadership and the inability to either separate or further immerse themselves. Trump can be at once a laughable buffoon in France, but (first under Hollande) then with Macron, France has quietly stepped into the breach left by the UK, even before that hole began to appear, fully capable of laughing at Trump yet following doggedly on America's military and economic leash.

The French working class are having none of it as Europe slides toward a world war of American design and American objectives, at the very moment the neo-liberal order and consumer capitalism has itself reached the final terminus. Either through cataclysmic ecological collapse, world war or by catastrophic economic collapse.

Or perhaps, because others will have seized control and begun the necessary international remedial action on a massive scale.

Once again, Gramsci is speaking directly to the now: "The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters." And the impending break up of an unreformed EU can only accelerate, once any of the first three options above begin to take place.

The latter option includes such actions as:

Immediate global demilitarisation (there is no other choice available apart from total ecological suicide)

Massive economic and financial reform

Reforestation on a global scale including massive subsidy to countries like Brazil and Venezuela to preserve their remaining rainforest. This is more than plausible.Globally, more than $2 trillion in annual subsidy goes to fossil fuels. (This figure is from 2015 although up to date and accurate figures are hard to find. The figure may be far higher today)

A complete and immediate change in energy production and use. Plurality of approaches to R&D and implementation.

The roll out of electric transport across the west

Massive social and infrastructure investment in poor, hot regions where the majority of old and dirty technology is incompatible with modification. Building of solar farms, solar powered desalination plants along coastlines, irrigating deserts and rolling out electric transport at cost price to their populations. In return, transport of electricity to the 'first world'



The French may be pointing the way, right now, but the mass of us can neither see them, nor understand what they represent.



* "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair

** “Taxes are what we pay for civilized society.” - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

*** "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Jerky » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:01 am

You know what else Ben Swann did?

He single-handedly prolonged the life of the fascist's favorite fantasy PizzaGate by at LEAST a month or two while working for a CBS affiliate in the South. Among other things.

You know when I talk about the purposeful psy-op targeting of the online conspiracy culture milieu? He's an illustrative case in point. This is the kind of guy people like us should be wary of, NOT the kind of guy we should be looking to as a source for anything.

And now, he's right at home now, on RT. Color me surprised.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Swann

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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Harvey » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:05 am

Please read my post again or STFU.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Jerky » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:48 am

Harvey » 13 Feb 2019 05:05 wrote:Please read my post again or STFU.


Thanks for saying "please". It's good to know that manners still matter to some people in this world!

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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby RocketMan » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:16 am

If someone uses the derogatory term "SJW" and then expects civilized discourse they are fucking deluded.

This board used to be left and anti-imperialist, now people are boosting NATO and wringing hands about "social justice warriors".

Perhaps it is the fate of all alternative/leftist/socialist political discourse to eventually be taken over by alt-right edgelords. The law of entropy, or something.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Sounder » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:00 am

This board used to be left and anti-imperialist, now people are boosting NATO and wringing hands about "social justice warriors".

Nobody is 'wringing their hands' about "SJW's. It was a humorous vid poking fun at people that think a bit too highly of themselves. Speaking of which, do white people realize what many minority folk think about 'political correctness'. Apparently not; it is considered by many as yet another way for white people to maintain continuing superior and racist inclinations.

And anyway, I love to see Jerky boosting NATO, it goes well with the rest of his belief set.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby Heaven Swan » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:53 am

Exactly Sounder.
You leftist brothers (and sisters? How many female posters remain?) need to take a peek out of your bubble. And please don’t spoil the fun here at RI. I happen to be fond of Jerky, but if he seriously supports NATO and is militantly neoliberal then we need him here as a foil in order to debate important issues.

And Jack, I will respond to your post later. I overslept and have to leave for work now. I will say that I don’t see you as an SJW, I was just trying to make a point about debating etiquette. And I definitely don’t see you as my enemy, but as a fascinating online friend (who goes a long way in keeping this board alive).

For a peek outside of the bubble please check out these two YouTube videos,and especially the comment sections. They are by (very entertaining) black commentators who are sick and tired of race being used to divide and conquer. The term SJW is frequently used. Streetwise African Americans aren’t easily fooled.




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Sounder » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:00 am wrote:
This board used to be left and anti-imperialist, now people are boosting NATO and wringing hands about "social justice warriors".

Nobody is 'wringing their hands' about "SJW's. It was a humorous vid poking fun at people that think a bit too highly of themselves. Speaking of which, do white people realize what many minority folk think about 'political correctness'. Apparently not; it is considered by many as yet another way for white people to maintain continuing superior and racist inclinations.

And anyway, I love to see Jerky boosting NATO, it goes well with the rest of his belief set.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:40 am

Heaven Swan » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:53 am wrote:Exactly Sounder.
You leftist brothers (and sisters? How many female posters remain?) need to take a peek out of your bubble.


On the heels of "SJW," you now do the "bro" and "bubble" thing. (Duck, it's the kitchen sink!) So are you auditioning for a job with Facebook or the next Clinton campaign, perhaps? Give up. You ain't gonna gaslight me with that bullshit. Try it elsewhere.

The biggest leftist majority in the U.S. is with young women, for good reason.

Go ask c2w? and apparently willow and many others why they don't post here any more. You and your paleo friends don't speak for them, they can explain for themselves if they like. You can be sure that it isn't because of "leftists," or certainly not generally, but because of men. Piggish behavior and more importantly ideologically piggish views -- a typical alt-right feature -- surely has a lot to do with it.

I remember the horrific response to the "everyone loves feminists" thread. That wasn't bubble "leftists," that was damn certainly professional sexists of the alt-right variety, and by no means were they "stuck in a bubble" (oh please) but being highly invasive, well out of a bubble.

This is now like the third page of derailing reports about France with opportunistic right-wing exploitation of two types, both typically North American. One tries to demonize the Yellow Vests as "fascist" or "Russian" or "racist" and so defend neoliberal "Western" values (sorry, "democracy") and traditional US imperialism (a.k.a. "NATO"). The other heroizes a caricature of the Yellow Vests so as to appropriate them on behalf of the "anti-globalist" nationalist ideology.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:10 pm

Harvey actually tried to speak to the subject and should be read.
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:11 pm

Perhaps he will be?
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Re: French Uprising of December 2018

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:11 pm

Hope so.
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