The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:23 pm

Belligerent Savant » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:18 pm wrote:
Belligerent Savant » Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:16 pm wrote:.

Excellent piece. Thorough and germane to this thread.


The New Authoritarians

Woke professionals acting as the indentured servants of a fearful oligarchy have become everything we were told to fear from Trumpism


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ALEX GUTENTAG
MARCH 29, 2022
Tablet Magazine

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It is also the inevitable outcome of a discourse that allows some of the most powerful people to depict themselves as helpless and persecuted. When The New York Times editorial board recently decried the culture of “social silencing” that has permeated most American institutions, some prominent progressives were incensed. New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (whose election to Congress was powered by the most gentrified neighborhoods in her district) argued that only the left is subject to real censorship, and that concerns about cancel culture are merely “about protecting bigots from feeling embarrassed in public.” Ocasio-Cortez seemed to forget that she has explicitly advocated for censorship herself on more than one occasion. In 2019, she called on Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to “take down lies,” and in 2021 she pressured Apple and Google to remove Parler, a social media service popular among conservatives, from their app stores after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot. Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t think she’s calling for real censorship because she believes that the entire political opposition is composed of violent domestic terrorists bent on killing her. (She was not in the Capitol building on Jan. 6.) It is precisely her self-image as a perpetual victim that allows her to justify a tyrannical approach.

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https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news ... oritarians


Anyone here still buying the AOC brand?

The answer to this question offers keen insight into the extent a given individual continues to passively/actively accept fanciful tales otherwise known as contemporary/dominant programming.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Elvis » Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:06 pm

I call on Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to take down Facebook.

These are such silly debates when 100,000,000 Americans have medical debt and 60,000 die every year because they can't get good medical help.

Get real.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:00 pm

Same guy from Tablet (who I remember from a good piece re: Covid), with the same right-wing version of "cancel culture" and horseshoe-theory accusations (hell, not even horseshoe theory: the left-liberals are the only fascists! the poor regular Volk who just did a little failed beer-hall putsch and death-threatery with really very few deaths involved so far if you think about it, and only a couple of bonafide fascist groups organizing it, THEY are the ones falsely accused!), here leveled against the usual PRIME fetish object, AOC. (Need to format the letters in red giant type with flames). And if I don't renounce the witch RIGHT NOW, and we mean HER, not the other 536 federal electeds, no no no HER, the worst of them ALL!, the most imperative to denounce!, well then it can only be because THEY... PROGRAMMED... ME! Yeep! Halp!

BS, you're trying too fucking hard.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Harvey » Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:15 pm

Because she was the one who made a point of her intention to behave differently. And you believed it.
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This he said to me
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And be loved
In return"


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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:56 pm

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The responses are telling.

Part of the problem -- and it's a BIG fucking problem in our culture at large right now, be sure of it -- is the demonstrable UNWILLINGNESS to clearly acknowledge wrongs. To openly admit that one was misled and/or fooled, learn from it, and recalibrate accordingly. Because it's the best way to help minimize continued wrongs moving forward.

The unwillingness to perform such self-reflection and correction is part of the reason we're still in a CIRCULAR (and incrementally collapsing) pattern.

The silver lining is that more will awaken from their trance as activities become increasingly more brazen, but still there's a sizable portion of the population that are simply digging in deeper, or otherwise act like they never passively (or actively) allowed for blatant govt overreach/affronts to fundamental rights. Because of this, it will get worse before it gets better. And a big reason is the unwillingness to admit to being conned.

Elvis wrote:I call on Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg to take down Facebook.

These are such silly debates when 100,000,000 Americans have medical debt and 60,000 die every year because they can't get good medical help.

Get real.


Confused as to the reference to Facebook. I don't have a FB account. That should be clear by even a passive reading of my material here.
"These are such silly debates when 100,000,000 Americans have medical debt and 60,000 die every year because they can't get good medical help." -- this is quite amusing because earlier in this thread you were singing a very different tune Re: AOC's capacity to help in this regard.

NOTHING will change so long as the people -- like a number of those in the early pages of this thread (and hey, even I had hope, for a time, that AOC wouldn't turn out to be as much of a fraud as she clearly has become, if ever she was a genuine public servant, that is) -- subscribe to systems that are rigged AGAINST the common citizen.

Holy shit, does this still need to be spelled out?

The two-party SYSTEM is not currently set up with a focus on providing 'affordable care' to the working/struggling classes. It's set up to eliminate them, or otherwise ensure they remain muted [subjugated], struggling consumers with minimal -- if any -- potential for upward mobility.

A form of modern feudalism. There's no 'reforming' the current fucking system. How many years of 'reform' attempts and/or limited hangouts (see: Bernie) will it take before this becomes crystal clear?

Given all that we've observed over the last ~2 years (when the previously subtle became far more blatant and expedited), somehow a number of individuals continue to look right past the bright pink elephant in the room.

Of course, that's not to say there aren't localized options, or opportunities to develop productive communities. But the likes of AOC won't be getting you there.
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You need to figure out...

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:13 am

Just whom you are addressing with all that condescension, if it's anyone other than your notional projection? Because it ain't me, and from here it don't look like it's Elvis either.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby liminalOyster » Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:58 pm

NOTHING will change so long as the people ... subscribe to systems that are rigged AGAINST the common citizen.

Holy shit, does this still need to be spelled out?


No, it doesn't. But it's funny how much this sounds (to me) like something AOC would tweet. Not funny as in laughing at you, respectfully, but funny viz feeling as if passion + confusion within a meshwork of infinitely spiraling detachment from facts coupled with intensifying cognitive dissonance and resultant rage seems to produce more and more alienation from our potential allies and coalitions.

ps. I feel pretty much the same as I always have about her (albeit with greater/lesser degrees of intensity): ambivalent to agnostic but willing to at least hope she (and or Bernie et al) is more a small force for good than bad.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:50 pm

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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:49 pm

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Also: I'd like to believe no one here is still holding on to some fanciful notion that AOC and/or Bernie are 'forces for good', even in some abstract sense.
At best, they are dutiful soldiers that were, for a time, useful Controlled Opposition but are now overtly and fully within the status quo.

Tulsi Gabbard seems to be playing the more overt Controlled Opposition role now.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Grizzly » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:11 pm

Tulsi Gabbard seems to be playing the more overt Controlled Opposition role now.


Yep, yep...

AOC Town Hall Doesn’t Go As Planned
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This prolly wont be up long...
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:55 pm

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Indefensible.

Who of sound mind can possibly defend this person as a 'representative'? There are many damning examples, since peak commentary in this thread has subsided, that could have been added here to showcase her deep compromise as just another establishment politician, but this one here speaks volumes.

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AOC Declines to Support Reinstatement of New York Workers Fired Under Mandates, Implies Support for Renewed Mandates

@AOC declined to voice support for reinstating New Yorkers who were fired under C-19 vaccine mandates at her town hall in the Hunts Point section of the Bronx on July 6.

Her response that reinstatement of workers to jobs that no longer have a C-19 vaccination requirement should depend on the sector suggests that she supports renewed mandates for certain sectors.

New York City's mandates applied to all City employees and the vast majority of workers in the private sector, and many former City workers are still making efforts to get reinstated to their former employment.

[Video of AOC's (non)response at link]

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Socialist my butt. Where is the empathy for working people and their medical autonomy. Solid question. Lack of answer speaks volumes.

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@AOC I hope your lack of an answer is due to your embarrassment of your position - clearly you seem bound not give the correct and moral answer, which is of course ALL workers fired due to unconstitutional and unscientific mandates should be reinstated. Why can’t you say that?!

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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:06 pm

What a fucking disappointment AOC has been since she basically abandoned Sanders' 2020 campaign.

Has she done anything constructive other than futile grandstanding since then? If so, I must have missed it.

She's in favor of the war, in favor of authoritarian censorship, in favor of strike busting, in favor of forced injections, and most of all perfectly happy to relegate herself to stoking bullshit Team Blue v. Team Red melodrama.
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Grizzly » Sun Jul 09, 2023 9:21 pm

^^^

yeppers

Also, anyone got link to the Victoria Nuland Fuck the EU clip? RI search is ridiculous (sooo frustrated that people have relied on google to archive shit...)
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:30 pm

Grizzly » Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:21 pm wrote:Also, anyone got link to the Victoria Nuland Fuck the EU clip? RI search is ridiculous (sooo frustrated that people have relied on google to archive shit...)


Yeah, the RI search has always sucked, but Google no longer searches RI at all.

Try any term together with site:rigorousintuition.ca - gets nothing. Also doesn't work on DuckDuckGo, but that thing almost never works for any purpose. (Occasionally it will yield results that Google censors.)

Every few months I search for the Nuland leak and run into ass-pain because every time the one I found before was deleted. Soon as the heavy censorship began back in Feb. 2022 I downloaded it, and, predictably, can't find that either.

Anyway, here's a complete version (4:20) from SCMP (Hong-Kong, not Chinese state media) without editing or dumb commentary, and with a running transcript.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE
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Re: The RI thread about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Postby Elvis » Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:34 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote: I'd like to believe no one here is still holding on to some fanciful notion that AOC and/or Bernie are 'forces for good', even in some abstract sense.


WRT Bernie Sanders, he's doing good in the concrete sense. Of the Biden initiatives, the best elements—healthcare provisions, reducing child hunger, extended unemployment benefits, etc.—i.e., the measures that make real differences in millions of people's lives—were included thanks only to Sanders' relentless work as Senate Budget Committee chairman.

This is one reason Sanders chose not to alienate himself from those presently in charge of the sausage-making.
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