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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:15 pm

https://dailysceptic.org/2021/09/10/vac ... he-report/

Vaccines Have NEGATIVE Effectiveness in the Over-40s, as Low as MINUS 38%, Shows New PHE Report

Public Health England (PHE) published their latest weekly vaccine surveillance report on Thursday. Usually these just summarise other studies so are not particularly interesting, but this week something new appeared that has been widely asked for but elusive: data on cases, hospitalisations and deaths broken down by age and vaccination status.

Although the fortnightly technical briefings on the variants of concern have a breakdown of sequenced Delta cases broken down by vaccination status and into the over-50s and under-50s, this is the first time PHE has published general data on all cases (not just sequenced ones) split up by age and vaccination status.

The data comes from the Second Generation Surveillance System (SGSS), the relationship of which to the Government dashboard data is unclear, though the figures are similar. It reports 722,728 cases in the reporting period, compared to the dashboard figure of 727,010 by specimen date, so this seems comprehensive. On the other hand, it includes 6,605 hospitalisations, whereas the dashboard has 21,242, more than three times as many, though this may be due to how it counts hospitalisations (“Cases whom [sic] presented to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive specimen), resulting in overnight inpatient admission”). It has 2,381 deaths, against the dashboard’s 2,496, so again this is most of them.

It is just data for the past month, August 9th to September 5th. We can use it to calculate a rough estimate of unadjusted vaccine effectiveness in different age cohorts for this four-week period.

However, the report itself cautions against using it for this purpose. It says: “The vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths is not the most appropriate method to assess vaccine effectiveness and there is a high risk of misinterpretation. Vaccine effectiveness has been formally estimated from a number of different sources and is described earlier in this report.”

These “different sources” are the various studies that are released by PHE from time-to-time, which tend to involve some heavy adjustments to the data and a number of other issues, and which consistently overestimate vaccine effectiveness compared to real-world data.

The report explains why the data should not be used to calculate vaccine effectiveness:

In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.

This is claiming that the vaccinated are more likely to be in high-risk groups, which implies to me that a breakdown by other risk factors like comorbidities would be useful. However, now that most of the population is double vaccinated, particularly in the older age groups, this point would seem to be much less valid, so that the picture painted by this real-world data should be truer to the reality. In any case, let’s see what it shows.

I have calculated the unadjusted vaccine effectiveness against reported infection, hospitalisation and death for each age group and also for the under- and over- 50s.

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Strikingly, during this four-week period the vaccine effectiveness is negative in all the over-40s age bands except the over-80s – the vaccines seemed to make things worse, with the vaccinated having disproportionately more infections than the unvaccinated. For 60-69 year-olds it hits as low as minus-38%. This makes a nonsense of vaccine passports or any measure based on the notion that vaccines prevent infection.

One factor in this will be that, as we know from the technical briefings, the vaccinated curve rose and peaked later than the unvaccinated curve, which will have exaggerated vaccine effectiveness initially and underplayed it later. A longer period than the last four weeks would therefore be useful to take into account this unexpected phenomenon.

The vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation and death is still looking pretty good. One thing worth noting is that the vaccine effectiveness in the larger age brackets of over- and under- 50s can be lower than it is in each finer age band. So the vaccine effectiveness against death in the four age bands over 50 is up at 89.7, 84, 82.3 and 70.4. Yet in the over-50s group when taken as a whole it is only 68.1%, lower than in each of the individual age bands. This is an odd quirk that occurs because of the big differences in risk between the age bands, so that as the very high number of deaths in the highly vaccinated over-80s are mixed in with the deaths in the younger age groups the overall effect is to depress the vaccine effectiveness. This means the more age-specific values may give a more accurate guide to the true effectiveness of the vaccines than those from the broader age cohorts. Interestingly, for effectiveness against infection in the over-50s the pooled value is higher than the value for the separated age bands, though is still negative at minus-16.2%.

Looking at the proportion of reported cases and hospitalisations which are vaccinated and unvaccinated, overall 39% of reported cases are double vaccinated versus 35.4% unvaccinated. In the over-50s, 82.6% of reported cases are double vaccinated versus 7% unvaccinated. For hospitalisations, overall 48.9% are double vaccinated versus 43.8% unvaccinated. In the over-50s this is 69.2% double vaccinated versus 26.7% unvaccinated. These statistics give the lie to any claim that it is the unvaccinated who are primarily spreading the disease or being hospitalised with it.

Having said this, 71.1% of hospitalisations in the under-50s are unvaccinated versus 16.5% double vaccinated. Also, 38% of total hospitalisations (2,538 out of 6,605) are in the under-50s, so this is not a small number. However, it’s worth noting that only 6.7% of the deaths are in the under-50s, so these hospitalisations are considerably less serious than the 62% of hospitalisations in the over-50s.

It’s good that PHE has finally released data broken down by age and vaccine status, even if only for one month.

Here’s a radical suggestion for PHE: why not make all the data publicly available so people other than the chosen few can analyse it for themselves and get a fuller picture?
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:18 pm

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Wuhan scientists planned to release coronavirus particles into cave bats, leaked papers reveal

Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.

The documents were released by Drastic, the web-based investigations team set up by scientists from across the world to look into the origins of Covid-19.

In a statement, Drastic said: “Given that we find in this proposal a discussion of the planned introduction of human-specific cleavage sites, a review by the wider scientific community of the plausibility of artificial insertion is warranted.”

The proposal also included plans to mix high-risk natural coronavirus strains with more infectious but less dangerous varieties.

The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses. ...
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:21 pm

https://zenodo.org/record/5525362#.YVFwmri2kjo

Safety and efficacy of a MEURI Program for the use of high dose ivermectin in COVID-19 patients

Mayer, Marcos Alejandro; Krolewiecki, Alejandro; Ferrero, Alejandro; Bocchio, Marcelo; Barbero, Juan; Miguel, Marcos; Paladini, Ariel; Delgado, Carlos; Ojeda, Juan Ramón; Elorza, Claudia; Bertone, Ana; Fleitas, Pedro Emanuel; Vera, Gustavo; Kohan, Mario Rubén

Background

In the absence of antiviral alternatives, interventions under research for COVID-19 might be offered following guidelines from WHO for monitored emergency use of unregistered and experimental interventions (MEURI). Ivermectin is among several drugs explored for its role against SARS-CoV-2, with a well-known safety profile but conflicting data regarding clinical utility for COVID-19. The aim of this report is to inform on the results of a MEURI Program of high-dose ivermectin in COVID-19 carried out by the Ministry of Health of the Province of La Pampa, Argentina.

Methods

COVID-19 subjects, within 5 days of symptoms onset were invited to participate in the program, which consisted in the administration of ivermectin 0.6 mg/kg/day for 5 days plus standard of care. Active pharmacosurveillance was performed for 21 days, and hepatic laboratory assessments were performed in a subset of patients. Frequency of Intensive Care Unit (ICU) admission and COVID-19-related mortality of subjects in the ivermectin intention to treat group were compared with that observed in inhabitants of the same province during the same period not participating in the program.

Results

From 21,232 subjects with COVID-19, 3266 were offered and agreed to participate in the ivermectin program and 17966 did not and were considered as controls. A total of 567 participants reported 819 adverse events (AEs); 3.13% discontinued ivermectin due to adverse. ICU admission was significantly lower in the ivermectin group compared to controls among participants ≥40 year-old (1.2% vs 2.0, odds ratio 0.608; p=0.024). Similarly, mortality was lower in the ivermectin group in the full group analysis (1.5% vs 2.1%, odds ratio 0.720; p=0.029), as well as in subjects ≥ 40 year- old (2.7% vs 4.1%, odds ratio 0,655; p=0.005).

Conclusion

This report highlights the safety and possible efficacy of high dose ivermectin as a potentially useful intervention deserving public health-based consideration for COVID-19 patients.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:35 pm

https://www.bournbrookmag.com/home/covi ... e-pandemic

Covid and the moral matrix: Will the new “lockdown code of ethics” persist beyond the pandemic?

Written By Gabrielle Bauer

It isn’t clear, at this juncture, whether society will snap back to its pre-Covid morality or reshape itself around this new “moral matrix.”

The Covid pandemic has upended the free world’s moral framework, laying time-honoured norms of personal agency, social responsibility, and risk tolerance to waste. Consider what the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) had to say about pandemic management in 2008: “The notion that we need to ‘trade liberty for security’ is misguided and dangerous. Public health concerns cannot be addressed with law enforcement or national security tools.” 13 years later, in a guest essay in The New York Times, the ACLU proclaimed that “the real threat to civil liberties comes from states banning vaccine and mask mandates”. The shift in the Overton window is real.

It isn’t clear, at this juncture, whether society will snap back to its pre-Covid morality or reshape itself around this new “moral matrix”. If the matrix solidifies, life will become more secure, more predictable- and to some of us, a lot less interesting.

Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with moral shifts. The gradual shift in society’s view of homosexuality- from an inherently immoral condition to a morally neutral variant of biology- has enabled gay individuals and communities to flourish. A similar sea change has rocked our perceptions of physical and intellectual disability, lifting a burden of shame from millions of shoulders. We used to think animals exist solely for human sustenance and pleasure, but now regard them as sentient beings in their own right (and with their own rights). If cats and dogs and whales could speak, surely they would thank us.

Does the Lockdown Code of Ethics represent the same kind of moral evolution? On the face of it, a moral code that calls for discipline, self-abnegation and unity of purpose has a lot to recommend it. But that’s not how the Code plays out in the real world. Laying out its core tenets can help us understand why. According to the Code:

1. Human life has an unbounded value that places it above all other ethical concerns. Life is sacred. It cannot be part of any cost-benefit transaction. The fact of living trumps quality of life, full stop.

2. Not doing everything possible to extend life is unethical. Material and psychological setbacks can be overcome, death cannot. If we have the scientific tools to extend life, we should spare no effort to do to.

3. Age should not factor into the life-saving calculus. We should labour as hard to save a ninety-year-old as a nine-year-old. A life is a life. The health-economic measure of QALY [quality-adjusted life years] is reductive and offensive.

4. Individual health is a collective responsibility. This applies especially to transmissible diseases. Our collective duty to keep transmission in check overrides our freedom to manage personal risk. If someone catches a disease from us, we bear full responsibility.

5. Human rights rank far behind public safety. Safety categorically trumps liberty, and a state of health emergency supersedes individual rights.

Those of us who fall into the lockdown-critical camp have called these tenets into question. We have argued that the sanctity of life resides in lived experience, rather than biologic subsistence. If saving lives requires that we take away most of the things that make life worth living, is there a point when the tradeoff no longer makes sense? Stanford University professor of medicine and economics Jay Bhattacharya has called lockdowns “not a human way to live”, while Oxford university epidemiologist Sunetra Gupta has described them as “unpoetic”. People who regard the extension of biological life as society’s highest duty may find such words offensive. But to those of us whose bones cry for culture, connection, and communion, the words make perfect sense.

We have argued that the aim of “saving every life,” while undoubtedly well intentioned, may incur too high a cost to society. Plunging fifty people into long-term depression or food insecurity to extend one person’s life does not necessarily support the greater good. We do not have unlimited resources to throw at the human family, and morally courageous leaders recognize that public health involves trade-offs and tough choices. Public health decisions driven primarily by emotions- “when my uncle got Covid, I realized how serious it is”- rarely serve society’s best interests. Effective leadership requires a certain detachment—an ability to balance costs and benefits, including life itself. As Daniel Hannan remarked in an article in The Telegraph earlier this year": “The one thing worse than putting a value on life is refusing to do so.”

We have argued that pandemic policy should take age into consideration – the age of those most affected by Covid and those most affected by lockdowns. Policies that seek to push back the death of our oldest and frailest at all costs place an undue burden on younger people (leaving aside the question of whether the policies actually prevent deaths). Most worrisome of all, lockdowns and protracted restrictions set young people up for a bleaker, more uncertain future. Nobody is suggesting that we simply leave grandma to die or that grandma is “less valuable” than little Aislynn. It’s simply that grandma has already had her shot at life, while Aislynn has not. We should be thinking more of Aislynn.

Age matters. Ethics committees aside, most of us understand this instinctively. Anyone who has attended the funeral of a nine year-old and a 90 year-old knows the difference in their bones. For all the moral outrage it has recently provoked, the QALY metric plays a time-honoured role in health economics. It underpins many healthcare funding decisions and helps us dole out limited resources fairly. Confronting the “agephant in the room” may be awkward, but ignoring it hasn’t done our Covid science advisors and policymakers any favours.

We have argued that duty of care should have (and has always had) limits, and that a healthy society balances collective and individual needs. Even during a pandemic, individuals can’t bear full responsibility for everyone else’s health. Calling people killers for unwittingly transmitting a virus flies in the face of biological reality. On a planet shared by humans and viruses, all of us have partaken in transmission chains that culminate in some deaths. It’s unfortunate, but it’s not murder. If we micromanage human interaction as long as Covid might be lurking in our midst, we can never live full lives again.

We have argued that human rights are, if not unalienable, pretty damned important. They imbue life with dignity, purpose and hope. If they matter at all, they matter at all times. While personal freedoms may need to flex during a pandemic, they shouldn’t simply disappear. If nothing else, the equipoise between public safety and civil liberties merits an uncensored discussion.

We have argued all these things, but on balance we have not done a good job selling our position. Perhaps the tide of fear and indignation is too powerful for skeptical voices to break through. If the moral matrix swirling around us becomes part of our permanent landscape, we skeptics agree that something important will have been lost. It remains to be seen whether history takes our side.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:12 pm

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/ ... 5510005760

BREAKING: New York Governor Kathy Hochul says she will deploy medically trained National Guard troops to replace unvaccinated healthcare workers in hospitals, who will be fired tonight.

And in related news:

New York: No unemployment benefits if fired for refusing vaccine
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:18 pm

Watch on 1.5x speed if you need to but this seems to be the first verifiable evidence that there is definitely a contaminate in the vaccine. Skip to 127:00 to see images.

https://odysee.com/@en:a5/PK_Tot-durch- ... _english:a



52.45 - Autoimmune Reactions

114:00 - Introduction to other doctors

119.00 - Blood samples of vaccinated (Important)

127.00 - Microscopic images of vaccine samples (Very Important)

This is easily the most in depth look at the contents of the shots, A panel of medical experts in Germany did an emergency broadcast to alert the public about what they have found.


We know about the contaminated doses in Japan, but this is a near 3 hour long explanation of what they are seeing, complete with microscopic images of vaccine samples (as well as vaccinated blood samples).

Skip to 127:00 and the panel goes over images that they have taken of the vaccines at microscopic levels. You can SEE the distress in their face as they talk about this. These don’t seem like the type of doctors to be against vaccination, they instead seem like doctors who are afraid for their jobs and the whole field of medicine, and want to stop this so that they can save face before its too late.

The youtube link will definitely be gone at some point, but the odysee one should last. Please download it if you know how to.

I’m doing my part to get this out there, but we need to do mainly two things with this video.

Verify that the translation is correct. If anyone can check the original version (on the pathologie site) and verify that would help dispel any disinformation accusations in regards to the translation of the video. Send it to a german friend if you have one idk Clip this video into bite size pieces and re-upload. Or even just time stamping and sending to a friend. (Please do this step, if not we wont be hearing about for another month)
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:48 pm

Whoa, slow down Stick.
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Postby drstrangelove » Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:27 am

The one line of thought that keeps me open to the possibility of mass population culling theory is this:

The current world population and velocity of its growth is directly tied to industrialisation, which itself is directly tied to oil. If you are to believe there is global warming crises caused by carbon emissions, then the problem isn't actually carbon emissions, but the need for carbon emissions to fulfill the human needs of such a large population.

Therefore, it would be fair to say global warming is a global population crises.

If we are to believe our environment is in such a dire situation due to the required amount of carbon emissions needed to service our population levels, then the solution to this issue is self explanatory.

Clean energy transition cannot be accomplished quick enough to sustain the current living expectations of current population levels.

I can't get past this line of thinking. If the climate crises is as bad as projected, then killing off large portions of the population could be justified at an existential level.

Could this be done? Yes.

Have the people with the resources to do this, done things just as drastic in the past? Yes.

Do these people believe this needs to be done, or if it's in their best interests to do it? No idea.
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Postby Harvey » Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:25 am

This is a smaller version of a contact sheet of some of the images in the video from Stick's post above: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41979&p=698100#p698090

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This is the address of a larger version (more legible) there is also a key to each image with a brief description of what you are seeing: https://i.imgur.com/u2GL4UX.jpg

What you can't see from these screen shots is that many of them come from videos of vaccine microscopy, and every visible particle suspended in the vaccines is moving independently, even the very large, angular, machine like structures.
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Postby BenDhyan » Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:32 am

I'm beginning to think the prophecy of end times is nigh....(I presume the translation is correct), not because I take this fear campaign seriously, but because I think the nwo wannabes are making their play to dictate what is reality...

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Postby Harvey » Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:46 am

drstrangelove » Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:27 am wrote:
Have the people with the resources to do this, done things just as drastic in the past? Yes.

Do these people believe this needs to be done, or if it's in their best interests to do it? No idea.


Six new 'prison towns' (known as 'Mega Prisons' on social media and in MSM) are being constructed in the UK, the nearest existing structure to at least one of these (within metres of the perimeter wall) is a large crematorium. Care to comment Jack?
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Postby Harvey » Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:15 am

Vituperative critic of vaccine dissenters dies 14 days after receiving her third 'booster'. I don't share the glee of all those now gloating over her death, but there is a certain irony. Her final posts on Twitter see her plucking 'facts' out of the air in order to condemn all those who exercise caution regarding the Great Experiment. Following their script is no protection against the utter ruthlessness of Big Capital:

https://twitter.com/KCroakeHeisler/with_replies

Welcome to the reality of the Covid crisis in Florida. My cardiologist tried to admit me to the hospital but there are no rooms because of Covid. Had to go ER route. Place is a teaming and the waiting room stretches into hallways. Wait for some is 15 hours. Get the damn vaccine.

So still waiting to see a doc although they have run tests. Still no room in hospital or in ER bay. PA announcement just said ER could not accept more patients. This is a BIG hospital. Damn the unvaccinated. They have made life hell for a lot of people.

Lots of sick people here aren’t getting seen because of Covid patients — most of whom aren’t vaccinated. They are taking beds away from heart and cancer patients. Look at the numbers.

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^ Bradley Beal at about the 9 min 40 sec mark.

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