Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[MacCruiskeen]

With regards to Mac's locked fear-porn thread...
What do you guys make of this???

Council workers lying to tenants.
https://youtu.be/OjkPkec820Y

Outtake from the updated 2020 remake of Terry Gilliam's Brazil?

This is the letter the tenants received. Presumably it was hand-delivered, presumably in a rush in the middle of the night.(Note the dates and times.)

https://mobile.twitter.com/honestcitize ... 57/photo/2

ON EDIT: correct address: Markham Heights, 5 Crossharbour Plaza 9XN, London, UK.

Someone needs to interview that woman (YouTube username "Spacey Tracey") and her neighbours, and someone needs to find out what happened to that homeless man.

On Edit: Twitter exchange between a tenant (the woman who filmed the incident?) and the police:

https://mobile.twitter.com/MPSTowerHam/ ... 9866358786

[Gnomad]

Finland here.
As of today, the capital region is in quarantine since most cases and the first few fatalities are here, with traffic to and from banned except for work and other reasons allowed. Traffic stops on the roads out.
Restaurants, sports places such as swimming halls and gyms are closed, as well as movie theaters and everything else. Gatherings of more than 10 people not allowed. Shops can stay open, as well as grocery shops of course.
I am still going to work every day too (as a mechanic - suddenly people want to get their bikes in shape!), but have been biking for a few weeks and not taking the metro anymore. Lots of people in the woods and around outside - going out is allowed and people are just told to keep some distance to others. Car traffic is almost gone which is frankly a wonderful side effect - I wish there were always so few cars. Its so much more peaceful and easier to bike - usually whenever I go I make a mental note to be alert in order to not be killed by those death machines

Most customers are much more friendly than usually (while keeping the physical distance) and everyone says thank you and wishes well. This gives me some hope we are not going to turn into monsters overnight here.

My brother and her spouse got the virus already, but they both seem to have it mild, going on almost two weeks now and getting better, with just a heavy feeling in the lungs and dry cough, no fever. Hope they get well.

[8bitagent]

The amount of people that will die from Covid adjacent reasons is going to completely dwarf whatever the actual 2020 Covid death rates ends up being. Suicide, complications from being caged up 24/7, loneliness, cancer/organ/etc patients denied emergency treatment to make room for Covid cases. Not to mention the endless psychosomatic cases of mile long people outside major hospitals who think their sniffles are THE CORONA™

The news in America is telling us 1) The police are sick/rolling back services 2) they're releasing thousands from prisons and jails 3) Oh and gun stores are "essential" stores. I've always been weary of cops, as well as long wanted justice reform/people freed from unfair sentencing...but the average person hears "jails being emptied/cops cant save you...but hey gun stores are open"...its like the elites are trying to stir up and prime society for shit to hit the fan. 3.3 million people in America filing for unemployment just this past week or so? That aint nothing yet! I've no doubt that *whatever* this COVID-911 is(bioweapon/mutated corona/natures revenge/natural disease overhyped/the next plague) it is 100% being used by various powerful factions to push through quick transformative change and theft in this grand human experiment. Horror Door number 1 in the new era, with many more to come. Hey they didnt get their war with Iran(yet), next best thing I guess was to infect the leadership of Iran! (sadly many Iranian citizens are dying...500 alone just from being told to take poison yesterday)

Few thoughts I posted today, as a general invitation to brainstorm.
That we are being rapidly corralled into a pre-planned new economic (probably techno-socialist) landscape of totalitarian biometric control is something I have zero doubts about [I know, I know: stay liminal!], though I suspect it will ease off soon for a while before round two commences. Hollywood types do love their twist-endings and sequels.

100% agree. I feel like I'm living in a real life Stephen King book or M Night Shymalan film like The Happening or Signs with having the various death panic news on 24/7. People as a whole are begging for martial law, theyre angry that our rights havent been stripped. So many mainstream news articles about how soon there will be robot automation replacing scared/sick workers at stores, potential mass use of thermal detectors to deem who can enter stores or travel, harsh travel restrictions for those who dont get an eventual vaccine(which wont even be safe), and robots patrolling the skies and land to make sure we're all good little shelter in place/social distancers. I miss when this was all Alex Jones/David Icke fantasy circlejerking.

people are already digitally attacking people for daring to post images of themselves going outside to get exercise or walking their dogs(isnt that 'freedom shaming?") People love tribalism, and "youre selfishness will kill people" for someone wanting to get fresh air is the newest drug of self righteousness. I never imagined society and the world at large could be completely changed and re-programmed so quickly, and from a new strain of coronavirus at that.
If you think "social distancing", "stay inside to flatten the curb", etc is annoying just wait til hardcore newspeak/doublespeak new language words are drilled into our heads 24/7 later this year into the 2020s

SIDE NOTE: I still feel like, despite the real death numbers reported every hour, we're in a weird simulation reality...Tom Hanks, Boris Johnson, Prince Charles and freaking Harvey Weinstein are all infected we are told. At some point the names will be so surreal and hysterically wtf, that maybe's Mac's "revelation of the method" theory isnt far fetched(I believe people really are dying in the numbers theyre saying, but I also cant help but feel this is being engineered)

[8bitagent]

Was thinking, how much of a loss of time sense-wise, as well as cyber-security vulnerabilities will come from all this(even if it all magically goes away in a few months) Billions of people's routines have been completely up-ended as the planet has been transformed into a prison overnight. The other day a lady in front of me at the store half jokingly said "I dont even know what day it is" and the cashier said "no worries, me neither". Even tho everyone has their airpod buds in their ears, smart watches and smart phones around me, there seems to be a distinct loss of time.

And a week ago all the news sites were abuzz about how insanely vulnerable virtually every company/bank/digital security is to hackers since most employees are working from home on their laptops worldwide.
https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus ... -phishing/

I remember the summer 2003 North East blackout that reached from New York well into Canada for a few days. Any sort of cyber-grid shutdown during the hotter months is enough to setoff all sorts of hell. I already forgot this is the dreaded 2020 ELECTION year that will be insanely polarizing...if the election even happens.

[Gnomad]

Of course the sociopaths in charge will always use whatever happens to happen to further their own agenda. That has been on my mind as well from the start, and no way would measures like are used now be accepted by people otherwise. Here the government invoked state of emergency last week, for the first time since 1944 and WW2.

Though also I do not have a solid opinion on the origins of the disease, I am open to entertaining every option from the bioweapon intentionally or unintentionally released, to a completely natural occurrence. Does not make much difference for the ones who stand to benefit, either. And am usually not one to panic, try to take all that happens in stride and do the best you can and stay human to the fellow humans near you. Panic never helps anyone, except to make poor choices. One should never give in to fear of death as well since it is inevitable, one should cultivate a certain detachment and acceptance of it. And the most important ethical rule one can have is to always be ready to die rather than to have others die because of you.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Was thinking, how much of a loss of time sense-wise, as well as cyber-security vulnerabilities will come from all this(even if it all magically goes away in a few months) Billions of people's routines have been completely up-ended as the planet has been transformed into a prison overnight. The other day a lady in front of me at the store half jokingly said "I dont even know what day it is" and the cashier said "no worries, me neither". Even tho everyone has their airpod buds in their ears, smart watches and smart phones around me, there seems to be a distinct loss of time.

And a week ago all the news sites were abuzz about how insanely vulnerable virtually every company/bank/digital security is to hackers since most employees are working from home on their laptops worldwide.
https://www.wired.com/story/coronavirus ... -phishing/

I remember the summer 2003 North East blackout that reached from New York well into Canada for a few days. Any sort of cyber-grid shutdown during the hotter months is enough to setoff all sorts of hell. I already forgot this is the dreaded 2020 ELECTION year that will be insanely polarizing...if the election even happens.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I had some weed for the first time in a while tonight and forgot the caption to go with that 8 bit....

May you live in interesting times.

[MacCruiskeen]

Wise words, Gnomad. We are weirdly fortunate to be living through all this. A change is gonna come, inevitably, because it has to. We might even shape that change sanely, together. May all of us keep breathing.

Oh please leave us something to breathe.

"Let there be no strife, for we be brethren."

[Joe Hillshoist]

Wise words, Gnomad. We are weirdly fortunate to be living through all this. A change is gonna come, inevitably, because it has to. We might even shape that change sanely, together. May all of us keep breathing.

Oh please leave us something to breathe.

"Let there be no strife, for we be brethren."

Cheers Mac.

[brekin]

First they told me to wash my hands repeatedly
Then they told me to wash everything repeatedly
Then they told me to stay 6 feet from people
Then they told me to work from home if possible
Then they told me I had to work from home
Then they told me not to gather with more than 250 people
Then they told me not to gather with more than 50 people
Then they told me not to gather with more than 10 people
Then they told me not to gather with more than 2 people
Then they told me not to travel
Then they told me to stay home completely except for essential services
Then they told me what essential services were
Then they reduced and closed essential services everyday
Then they told me this would go on for 2 weeks
Then they told me this would go on for 4 weeks
Then they told me this would go on for 8 weeks
Then they told me this would go on for 3 months
Then they told me they really didn't know how long this would go on for

(Personally agnostic to what "this all is that is happening", I don't doubt there is a covid and people are getting sick and dying but theway it is happening is, intentionally or not, a classic hurry up and wait, moving from one declared and then dismissed emergency to another, public mind fucking of global dimensions. Honestly, most days it feels like if there was an invisible hand orchestrating it all it would be more Monty Python than Spectre goosing the public conciousness into abject mindless conformity. What was laughable a few days ago becomes normal overnight. If it was disseminated that wearing your underwear over your clothes stopped the spread, people would virtually stampede over one another to adopt and cheerlead that.)

Please wash your hands for two minutes on high in your dish washer to kill all germs while singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic.

[DrEvil]

I'm not advocating uncontrolled panicking. If you panic for more than a couple of hours, you will exhaust yourself and
you may well not have to energy to panic later, when you really feel you have to

So try about 20 minutes panicking at 11.00 am, and then another spell at 6.00pm

https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1 ... 4058652673

[alloneword]

Posted in full as it may be paywalled, from last week:

Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study
New epidemiological model shows urgent need for large-scale testing


Clive Cookson, Science Editor March 24 2020

The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

However, the modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group has been challenged by other scientists. They have pointed out that the study presents possible scenarios — based on assumptions about the nature of the virus, its virulence and its arrival from China — that contradict those supported by most epidemiologists.

The Oxford research suggests that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest and perhaps as early as December. It spread invisibly for a month or more before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February and the epidemic started to grow exponentially.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” Prof Gupta said.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.

This article has been amended since original publication to clarify the fact that the modelling is controversial and its assumptions have been contested by other scientists.

https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd ... bea055720b

The study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20042291v1

This makes more sense of the pattern in the data that shows the percentage of tests performed that yield a positive result appears fairly static (~15% - certainly true in the US and UK).

Also of note, 'the UK’s youngest coronavirus victim' apparently wasn't. A tragedy, nonetheless.

A Berkshire coroner said the death was related to Covid-19 after being told Middleton had a cough, the source said. But this surprised medics at the hospital, who have not recorded it as a coronavirus incident.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 19-related

But the youngest would be the 18 year old in Coventry?

Last Sunday the NHS suggested an 18-year-old male had died from coronavirus, but it has since emerged the teenager had tested positive for the disease in a hospital in Coventry but died from an unrelated condition.

OK, so the 28 year old from Camden?

A spokeswoman for the hospital confirmed that a 28-year-old man had died on 24 March after testing positive for the virus. “He died with Covid-19. I cannot tell you whether that was the reason he died,” she said.

Oh.

[alloneword]

And since the Guardian just saw fit to memory-hole that entire article whilst I was writing that post,

Removed: article

Sat 28 Mar 2020 14.47 GMT

This article was removed on 28 March 2020 pending review.

..here it is in full:

Chloe Middleton: death of 21-year-old not recorded as Covid-19

Source says coroner linked death to coronavirus but hospital took different view

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Matthew Weaver

Fri 27 Mar 2020 22.16 GMT
First published on Fri 27 Mar 2020 14.59 GMT
Chloe Middleton
Chloe Middleton was taken to hospital after a heart attack, but attempts to resuscitate her failed. Photograph: Facebook

The death of 21-year-old Chloe Middleton – the UK’s youngest coronavirus victim, her family believe – has not been recorded in the official toll because of confusion about how she died, the Guardian can reveal.

Middleton was taken to Wexham Park hospital in Slough last Thursday after having a heart attack. Attempts to resuscitate her failed and she was pronounced dead soon after arriving, a source said.

A Berkshire coroner said the death was related to Covid-19 after being told Middleton had a cough, the source said. But this surprised medics at the hospital, who have not recorded it as a coronavirus incident.

As a result of the hospital’s view, the death has not been recorded among the NHS tally of UK coronavirus fatalities.

A Facebook post by Middleton’s aunt claiming she had no underlying health issues is no longer available. Her family has been subjected to online abuse and accusations of spreading alarmist news about her death.

An NHS source said this was unfair. “They have been given the information officially from the coroner that this is [a] Covid death,” they said. “And that’s their understanding of it.” But the source said the coroner’s move “raised eyebrows” at the hospital because she had not tested positive for the disease.

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Middleton’s mother, aunt and boyfriend have not responded to the Guardian’s requests for an interview. Berkshire’s three coroners have also not responded to requests for comment.

But later, a spokesman for Reading council issued a statement on behalf of the coroner’s office, which said: “Chloe died at Wexham Park Hospital on the 19 March 2020. The case was reported to the Berkshire coroner’s office. Her death was very sad but as she had a natural cause of death, involvement by the coroner was not required and the hospital issued a death certificate.

“There was no postmortem examination or inquest. We must now respect the privacy of her family and cannot provide any further information.”

The youngest official victim in the UK is thought to be 28-year-old Adam Harkins Sullivan, a painter and decorator from Camden, north London, who died at University College hospital in London on Tuesday.

A spokeswoman for the hospital confirmed that a 28-year-old man had died on 24 March after testing positive for the virus. “He died with Covid-19. I cannot tell you whether that was the reason he died,” she said.

Harkins Sullivan was being treated in an isolation ward with other patients who had also tested positive for the virus. Speaking to the Camden New Journal, his mother, Jackie Harkins, said: “We are all just in shock because he was only a young man. He was healthy – you didn’t have to tell him to eat his greens. He was always like that.

“He went into hospital with viral pneumonia, but other than that he was healthy. People have got to start taking this seriously.”

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She said her son was taken to hospital in an ambulance last week after he reported breathing difficulties and a temperature of 39.9C.

She said: “He was ringing us that day and at night. Then he rang at 1.15am and said [they] wanted to put him into an induced coma, they wanted to help him breathe.”

She added: “Before Adam died, I did get to see him, because it was the end and his last moment. He was in a room with other people with coronavirus. They come and put gloves and an apron on you. He was virtually dead and it was just a machine keeping him alive. I was talking to him, telling him: ‘You’re at UCH. You need to fight.’ He flatlined. He flatlined again, and then again. And I knew there was no coming back.”

Last Sunday the NHS suggested an 18-year-old male had died from coronavirus, but it has since emerged the teenager had tested positive for the disease in a hospital in Coventry but died from an unrelated condition.

[MacCruiskeen]

^^ Thanks for all that. The fog is starting to clear.

Both the German (Robert-Koch-Institut *) and the Italian authorities have now admitted that they have been (and still are??? I can't keep up) recording anyone who dies WITH the virus as having died OF (or FROM, as you prefer) the virus.

That includes, for instance, extremely old people & terminally-ill cancer patients in palliative care. They are all being thrown onto the CORONAVIRUS VICTIMS" list to big up the panic. (I believe concientious and exhausted medics are being required, by the authorities, to record the figures this way.)

That is why the "Covid -19 DEATHS" (sic) figures are so grossly inflated.

That is also why the "Covid -19 CASES" (sic) statistics are especially grotesquely exaggerated: they include tens of thousands of perfectly healthy young people who have "tested positive for the virus" (sic) but are not ill at all, or barely.

And that is why the ongoing mass-media terror-porn OMFG-headlines are so criminally misleading.

* press conference yesterday, will post video asap. Even (some) journalists are now starting to ask questions.

[Belligerent Savant]

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"HUNTING DOWN".