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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Aug 11, 2021 4:52 pm

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Iamwhomiam » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:19 am wrote:Let's not for a moment forget President Trump was the one pushed for the rushed release of the untested vaccines before the November election.


Iamwhomiam » Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:37 pm wrote:
Belligerent Savant wrote:^^^^
This only further corroborates Harvey's point.


Which of the many points Harvey's raised are you referring to that I've corroborated?



His most recent in this thread. Particularly the last line, bolded -- one page prior. Here, I'll paste below for ease of access:

Harvey » Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:21 pm wrote:
mentalgongfu2 » Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:03 am wrote:The sentiment is troublesome, for sure. But it's not at all new. History aside, candidate and then Pres. Trump were screaming the last 5 years to lock up political opponemts and still are. I don't exactly see how this is a new phase by any stretch.


Trump was cunt. He was a cunt of the ruling class. How may wars did that cunt begin? Fewer than before, fair enough. How many wars did he end? Zero. Does that make him not a cunt? Probably not, because everything else accelerated. But let's ask the question, how many opponents did he actually lock up? How many fewer did he torture and murder than previous cunts? Not that many. But how is the cunt (notionally) in charge today, doing by comparison? Well, like all the cunts before him, he doesn't actually seem to be in charge. He certainly hasn't released Assange and seems to be ploughing ahead. All the wars on the horizon seem closer than they were. There's no move to tackle global warming. There's no move to give Americans basic healthcare. There's no move to tackle the oligarchy. Plus, he seems quite happy to inject all Americans with poison. Biden seems to be a total cunt too.


It seems to me that all American presidents are cunts. Am I mistaken? If so, please point out how.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Iamwhomiam » Wed Aug 11, 2021 5:04 pm

^^^ thank you.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:55 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:40 am wrote:
PufPuf93 » 30 Jul 2021 22:37 wrote:
Karmamatterz » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 am wrote:The whole idea of a coup or insurrection in the U.S. in the manner which the largely peaceful protest ( :yay ) took place is laughable. To actually think that group of folks was going to initiate a coup gives me belly laughs.
Was the "shaman" guy going to rain down fire and brimestone with his staff and get the entire U.S. military to lay down and do nothing? Would the FBI agents embedded join in the fray? Not to mention the national guard in 50 states? Good lord, just think of the large obstacles to overcome and REALLY have a successful coup in the USA.

No, the coup is OVER, has been for years. 9/11 sealed the deal and the Patriot Act was icing on the cake for their "legal" justification to punish those who step out of line. Pharma and military/intel corps are creating their new bio-security state which is a silent coup, one that people will embrace and beg for, like those fucking worthless masks.


The cops that testified before Congress did not appear to think it was largely a peaceful protest.

Think the basic concept by Trump was to have cause to declare martial law, void the election, and have various lowlifes in place to retain control. Of course the day was planned and performed poorly.

Agree that 9-11 was staged and basically ended the idealized image of the USA and we are no longer anything close to a democracy.

I am pretty much of the perception in that multiple parties are causing chaos, sometimes at odds otherwise converging interests, to better their position when global population crashes. They want the population to crash. Things do not look so great for humanity.

Getting hard to breathe there are so many stupid people of ill will in the USA. RI disappoints me as well.


So the big problems are stupid regular people (not our leaders) and not enough solidarity with the cops traumatized by the events of 1/6?


I never said that..

What I wrote is not hard to understand.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:37 am

Puf didn't say it, but it seems clear to me that stupid regular people are indeed a huge part of the problem.

More misled than outright stupid, probably, but at some point that distinction begins to lose significance when the results are the same irrespective of the cause.

Even stupid, ignorant or misled can actually be reached, in theory, through discussion. But within that cohort is a growing number who are simply true believers who are obstinately opposed to even hypothetically considering their beliefs could be wrong.

This mindset is not at all limited to those classified as vaccine hesitant or who think Covid to be made up or overblown. There is plenty of hyperbole and extremism from those who would accuse 'anti-vaxxers' of mass murder.

That said, no one has ever told me I need to watch shady videos at racist websites to prove that vaccines are effective and covid is real.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Harvey » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:55 pm

Well worth seeing. There are some sensational statistics quoted, such as: 50% of Americans identify as politically independent. Republicans and Democrats make up the other 50% - Gallup.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:52 pm

We all believe the trust the FBI, right? One would have to think they were heavily pressured to find some evidence for the largely peaceful protest. that shared a reminiscence to other largely peaceful protests by Antifa and BLM during the summer of 2020.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclus ... 021-08-20/

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

By Mark Hosenball and Sarah N. Lynch

WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described "dirty trickster", and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

They alleged that one Proud Boy leader recruited members and urged them to stockpile bulletproof vests and other military-style equipment in the weeks before the attack and on Jan. 6 sent members forward with a plan to split into groups and make multiple entries to the Capitol.

But so far prosecutors have steered clear of more serious, politically-loaded charges that the sources said had been initially discussed by prosecutors, such as seditious conspiracy or racketeering.

The FBI's assessment could prove relevant for a congressional investigation that also aims to determine how that day's events were organized and by whom.

Senior lawmakers have been briefed in detail on the results of the FBI's investigation so far and find them credible, a Democratic congressional source said.

The chaos on Jan. 6 erupted as the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives met to certify Joe Biden's victory in November's presidential election.

It was the most violent attack on the Capitol since the War of 1812, forcing lawmakers and Trump's own vice president, Mike Pence, to scramble for safety.

Four people died and another died the following day, and more than 100 police officers were injured.

TRUMP'S SPEECH

Trump made an incendiary speech at a nearby rally shortly before the riot, repeating false claims that the 2020 election was stolen and urging supporters to march on the Capitol to pressure lawmakers to reject Biden's victory.

In public comments last month to the Democratic-led congressional committee formed to investigate the violence, police officers injured in the mayhem urged lawmakers to determine whether Trump helped instigate it. Some Democrats have said they want him to testify.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that he or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Marionumber1 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 3:18 pm

Ah, the good old FBI, which we all know is devoted to ferreting out conspiracies perpetrated by right-wing operatives; like they did in the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination — oh wait, they buried the evidence — or the Oklahoma City bombing — oh wait, they buried the evidence — or the Columbine school shooting — oh wait, they buried the evidence — or...
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Elvis » Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:16 pm

THE SIEGE OF THE CAPITOL: ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROBERT MERCER
Alex Constantine
February 2, 2021

1: The Plot Against the Peace
2: “HANG MIKE PENCE!”
3: A Premonition, FPayday, the Arizona GOP, Hit Men
4: The Devil’s Keepers, Veritas, Erik Prince, Michael Flynn
5: The Camp of the Saints, Civil War, Roger Stone’s Caveat: “An
Insurrection like you’ve Never Seen”
6: More Mercer Sock Puppets
7: Hitler’s Bank Finances a Nazi Revolt in America
8: Some of Mercer’s Paid Opinion Programmers who Claim that the Election was Stolen
9: Freedom Caucus Leader Andy Biggs, Ali Alexander and Charlie Kirk
Walk Across the Rubicon
10: SCL/Cambridge Analytica has Used the “rigged Election”Gambit to Incite Dissent in South America and Nigeria, Often Resulting in Riots and Mass Fatalities
Postscript: QAnon Exposed

https://constantinereport.com/the-siege ... rt-mercer/
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Harvey » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:25 pm

^ The election was stolen before it began, in the Democrat primaries.

The theft of the primaries in 2016 and 2020 has been virtually airbrushed from history, by everyone: both parties, the corporates, the billionaires, the political system itself, the entire mainstream and most of the alternative media. While interesting, where is the comparable grappling with the Democrat side of the same equation? Is the parachuting of a senile war criminal to the office of president some sort of advance, or a retreat? Will President Harris be more or less under the control of the deep state for never having been elected to the office either? What is left of the illusion of democracy in America?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Elvis » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:18 pm

Harvey wrote:where is the comparable grappling with the Democrat side of the same equation?


They're not grappling with it, true—but it's not known unknown. This is the primary-election disinformation campaign that defeated Bernie Sanders:

https://qz.com/work/1874630/how-us-heal ... th-system/

An ex-Cigna exec says he spread lies about Canada’s health system—and it hurt Americans

By Lila MacLellan
Quartz at Work reporter
Published June 29, 2020 Last updated on July 1, 2020

Last week, former health insurance executive Wendell Potter tweeted a confession that went briefly viral before disappearing again into the news cycle ether. But his mea culpa deserves more attention.

Potter, who left Cigna where he was a vice-president of communications in 2008, wrote that in his previous career, he was among those in the health insurance industry who spent huge sums to convince Americans that Canada’s single-payer system was “awful.”

The industry and its lobbying group, American Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), manipulated data and found the rare case stories they needed to spread disinformation campaigns suggesting that Canadians have long waits for healthcare, he said. Not only was that untrue, but in Canada, where there are no deductibles or co-pays, “no one gets turned away from doctors due to lack of funds,” he said. “In America, exorbitant bills are a defining feature of the system.”

Canada has been more successful at managing the Covid-19 pandemic than the US, Potter wrote, and Canadians who have been laid off because of it have not lost health insurance along with their income. In the US, millions are losing their jobs and coverage and they’re “scared to death,” he said.

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Amid America's #COVID19 disaster, I must come clean about a lie I spread as a health insurance exec: We spent big $$ to push the idea that Canada's single-payer system was awful & the U.S. system much better. It was a lie & the nations' COVID responses prove it. The truth:
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“I’ll always regret the disservice I did to folks on both sides of the border,” he wrote.

Potter, who has written books about his wrongdoings in insurance, beginning with Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans (Bloomsbury Press, 2010), has also recently come clean about manufacturing the patently false notion that Americans have more choice with the private insurance system than they would with a single-payer model. In a New York Times op-ed, he revealed that “those of us who held senior positions for the big insurers knew that one of the huge vulnerabilities of the system is its lack of choice. In the current system, Americans cannot, in fact, pick their own doctors, specialists or hospitals — at least, not without incurring huge ‘out of network’ bills.”

[more at link]


In the 2020 primaries, the US medical insurance industry paid more than $100,000,000 in blitz advertising to spread all the usual propaganda lies about single-payer healthcare. Figure in Democratic cheating in the primary elections, plus anti-Sanders cooperation by corporate media to assure a Sanders defeat.

The right wing has objected to none of that—completely ignoring the major healthcare "swamp" component in their calculations. Rather, they violently insist that the private healthcare system must be maintained at all costs—even as it costs them dearly. The great achievement here is getting people of both parties to vote against their own interests.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Harvey » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:21 pm

Harvey » Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:55 pm wrote:Well worth seeing. There are some sensational statistics quoted, such as: 50% of Americans identify as politically independent. Republicans and Democrats make up the other 50% - Gallup.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Marionumber1 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:19 pm

Harvey » Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:25 pm wrote:The theft of the primaries in 2016 and 2020 has been virtually airbrushed from history, by everyone: both parties, the corporates, the billionaires, the political system itself, the entire mainstream and most of the alternative media. While interesting, where is the comparable grappling with the Democrat side of the same equation? Is the parachuting of a senile war criminal to the office of president some sort of advance, or a retreat? Will President Harris be more or less under the control of the deep state for never having been elected to the office either? What is left of the illusion of democracy in America?


Actual election theft has rarely been well-covered in the mainstream or alternative media, and that is true of both primaries and general elections. The fact that our voting system is a privatized process run by criminals hardly receives attention, nor does the volume of compelling evidence suggesting that this system has been exploited to: install Bush as president in 2000 and 2004, protect Scott Walker's governership in 2012, install Clinton as the Dem nominee in 2016, install Trump as president in 2016, and install Biden as the Dem nominee in 2020. Even most in the parapolitical research community hardly touch the issue, despite it being at the same level as things like political assassinations or sexual blackmail in how it has allowed the deep state to control our political system.

Meanwhile, those alt media sources that do care about election fraud tend to believe that fraudulent "anti-establishment" figures like Trump could never be the beneficiary of it. This is patently untrue given 2016. And the truth of 2020's general election remains hard to discern, but the common alt media narrative buries what might be legitimately-concerning issues under a lot of specious arguments...while accusing people who are tired of wading through obvious bullshit in search of some potential morsel of truth of being biased and/or Biden apologists.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Harvey » Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:28 am

Marionumber1 » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:19 am wrote:
The fact that our voting system is a privatized process run by criminals hardly receives attention...


That's a cracking compendium of documentary evidence. Thanks.

Don't neglect what appears to be a substantial and mounting body of evidence that Jan 6th was a Deep State event. As we've discussed ad-nauseam at RI, except for deciding which factions of the body corporate get the lions share of the spoils, your elections are a formal ritual with no clear effect on policy and your political parties are not real adversaries. Each clearly benefits from the actions of the other and neither has any interest in the general population except their utility as a cash cow. For all intents and purposes, they can be viewed as one single co-operative entity servicing the vast consortium of corporate and individual fortunes by whom they are almost completely captured. Likewise every other two party system of 'democracy.'

Witness the resulting polarisation which I consider to be the primary intended effect. The 'left' are now calling out for censorship, increased security expenditure and largely supportive of the alphabets and stronger authoritarian responses while the 'right' are completely disenfranchised.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:38 pm

^^^^^^

Spot-on, Harvey.


Re: Jan. 6th., a noteworthy update:


Capitol Police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt exonerated in internal probe


A Capitol Police memo obtained by NBC News says “no further action will be taken in this matter” after the officer was exonerated for use of force.
The Capitol Police officer who fatally shot Ashli Babbitt outside a door of the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot has been formally exonerated after an internal investigation, according to a department memo obtained by NBC News.

The officer, whose name has not been released, opened fire on Babbitt as she and a mob of other Trump supporters tried to forcefully enter the Capitol.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... e-n1277336
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Re: Cali Recall Election 2021

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:45 pm

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WTF is happening in California?

No need to be subtle anymore, apparently.


California Republicans Shocked To Discover They've 'Already Voted' In Recall Election


Residents of San Fernando Valley, California were shocked after showing up to vote in the state's gubernatorial recall election, only to be told by polling station workers that they had already voted.

88-year-old Estelle Bender, a Republican, said she wasn't the only person who was told incorrectly that they had already voted.

"The man next to me was arguing the same thing," said Bender, who was given a provisional ballot that she filled out and then "left really angry."

In response to the reports, the Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder said "The voters who experienced this issue were offered and provided a provisional ballot - the failsafe option to ensure no one is turned away from voting. Provisional ballots are regular ballots and once the eligibility of the voter is verified, they are processed and counted."


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Voter: “About 70% of the votes at this location have been shown as already casted when they were not?”

Election official: “Right.”

[Video clip at source]


This is just the latest in a string of odd happening surrounding the California recall election between Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) and top Republican contender, Larry Elder. As Twitter user @libsoftiktok notes:

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