US Presidential Election 2020

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:24 pm

Joe, that's untrue. See this:

https://www.deseret.com/2021/8/11/22567499/who-shot-ashli-babbitt-trump-january-6-can-journalists-protest-john-sullivan-us-capitol-riot



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rWgAhuv8xY

Sullivan is all about John Sullivan and he wished to profit from youtube hits, perhaps many enough to have YT monetize his channel, but instead he dumped his historically priceless footage for a mere $90,000, the fool. The govt. seized his bank account, 'cause you can't profit from criminal acts. (theoretically) Journalist my ass. His excuse is BS.

Also, who shot Ashley Babbit has been public knowledge since last August. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd.

https://tinyurl.com/yuftvbez
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:31 am

He was red flagged on every BLM related action in the US before the 2020 election. There were a whole bunch of documented situations where he was busted and released under suspicious circumstances or not busted while others with him were. So he is either an operative or an informant.

What you said about him being all about himself - well that makes him more likely to be an informant, most likely.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Grizzly » Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:19 am

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:38 am

another round of hunter biden leaks have found their way online, this time from his icloud account. as always, some of it is real, some of it is not. will take a week or two for the dust to settle.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:44 am

Hand vote count on hold after Nevada high court says illegal
PAHRUMP, Nev. (AP) — An unprecedented hand-count of mail-in ballots in a rural Nevada county is on hold and may not resume after the Nevada Supreme Court said in an after-hours ruling the current process is illegal and the Republican secretary of state directed the county clerk to “cease immediately.”

Volunteers in rural Nye County had wrapped up a second day of hand-counting the ballots on Thursday by the time the Supreme Court issued a three-page opinion siding with objections raised by the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada.

Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske, who is in charge of elections and has been been one of the GOP’s most vocal critics of the sort of voter-fraud conspiracy theories that fueled the hand tallying of ballots, said the “hand-counting process must cease immediately.”

She requested in a letter to Nye County Clerk Mark Kampf that he confirm to her office Thursday night that the hand count process “had been stopped.”

Cegavske’s office didn’t immediately respond to requests from The Associated Press for an update. But the ACLU said in a statement that Nye County’s attorneys had informed the organization’s legal staff that “its hand-count process has been shut down.”

“Today is a victory for all who believe in democracy,” said Sadmira Ramic, ALCU of Nevada’s voting rights attorney.

Nye County officials and their lawyers did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Cegavske, citing the court’s latest ruling, said in the letter the current hand-count procedure was prohibited at least until after the close of polls on Nov. 8.

She said “no alternative hand-counting process may proceed” until she and the county can determine if there are any feasible alternatives that would comply with the Supreme Court order.

In its three-page ruling Thursday evening, the high court stopped short of ordering a halt to the recount. But the court sided with the arguments the ACLU made in an emergency motion filed earlier Thursday.

The ACLU accused Nye County officials of violating a Supreme Court order issued last week requiring the count to be conducted in a way that prevents public release of early results before polls close to in-person voting Nov. 8.

The ACLU argued that reading candidates’ names aloud from ballots within hearing distance of public observers violates the court rule.

Attorneys for Nye County said in a court filing earlier Thursday that the ACLU was engaging in “political stunts and ‘gotcha’ games.” It asked the court to distinguish between observers verbally describing the “vote count” and observers learning the “election results.”

The high court said the “specifics of the hand-count process and ”observer positioning” in a way that comply with its earlier order was for Nye County and the secretary of state “to determine.”

On the first day of counting Wednesday, The Associated Press and other observers, including some from the ACLU, watched as volunteers were sworn in and split into groups in six different rooms at a Nye County office building in Pahrump, 60 miles (96 kilometers) west of Las Vegas.

ACLU Nevada chief Athar Haseebullah described on Twitter what he saw as “a disaster of a process.”

Haseebullah on Thursday provided additional detail about an apparently armed polling place volunteer who he said ushered an ACLU observer out of a counting room on Wednesday in a dispute about whether she was improperly tallying votes on a notepad.

“That volunteer never drew a firearm,” Haseebullah said, describing what he said appeared to be a handgun handle visible in the woman’s waistband. “We weren’t removed from the counting site, but that volunteer did pull my team member out of the room where she was observing.”

Kampf, in the county filing to the Supreme Court, alleged that the unnamed ACLU observer was taking notes in violation of the court order that said observers “will not prematurely release any information about the vote process.”

Some teams the AP observed spent about three hours each counting 50 ballots. Mismatches, where all three talliers didn’t have the same number of votes for a candidate, led to recounts and occasionally more recounts.

On Thursday, volunteers counted 25 ballots at a time instead of 50 — a decision Kampf made in response to the difficulty in counting 50 ballots at a time.

“The first day was a little rough as you could imagine, but today things are going very smooth, much fewer recounts,” Kampf told KLAS-TV in Las Vegas. After counting 900 ballots Wednesday, Kampf said his goal was to count about 2,000 ballots per day.

While the county planned to count every vote by hand, it was still relying on Dominion voting machines as the primary vote tabulators for this election. Kampf has floated the idea of scrapping the machines in future elections.

In a filing last week, the ACLU sought to block hand-counting before Election Day, saying it threatened to reveal election results before most voters could even weigh in. While the state Supreme Court allowed the count to go ahead, it blocked a plan to livestream the counting, ruling that video can only be released only after polls close Nov. 8.

Thursday’s new opinion came in response to the ACLU’s emergency request for a “clarification” of the earlier ruling.

Nevada has one of the most closely watched U.S. Senate races in the country, as well as high-stakes contests for governor and the office that oversees elections.

Ballots cast early, either in-person or by mail, are typically counted by machine on Election Day, with results released only after polls close. In most places, hand counts are used after an election on a limited basis to ensure machine tallies are accurate.

However, Nye County commissioners voted to hand-count all ballots after complaints by residents echoing nearly two years of conspiracy theories about voting machines and false claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from former President Donald Trump.

Trump won 69% of the vote in Nye County although President Joe Biden won Nevada by about 2.4%.

The Republican nominee for secretary of state, Jim Marchant, has repeated unsubstantiated election claims and said he wants to spread hand-counting to every Nevada county.

- https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... c5bb6c182d

hand counting ballots is now illegal. and the reason given doesn't mean anything. and this is " a victory for all who believe in democracy”.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:51 pm

It's amazing to me that getting accurate voting counts is what the ACLU is spending its money fighting.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Marionumber1 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:46 pm

I can understand the argument about not wanting partial vote counts to be released prior to an election, with the risk of skewing subsequent voting outcomes or even (as election integrity group Black Box Voting suspected in certain past elections) insider trading. So here's a wild idea: how about doing the hand-count on election night after the polls close? This feels like a pretty common-sense solution to me that should satisfy all sides. Even if it ends up being unable to complete by that night, I'd say it's better to have accurate results than it is to have fast results from inherently-riggable computers.

The "conspiracy theorist" in me wonders why Nye County didn't set it up this way from the beginning and avoid this easily-foreseeable objection. Almost feels like they teed it up for anti-hand-counting forces (under the banner of the ACLU, which has become a joke of a "civil liberties" organization) to discredit the entire practice with the veneer of protecting voting rights. All while the ACLU says nothing about the far more important aspect of voting rights that is protected by ensuring votes are in fact counted accurately at all.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm

Marionumber1 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:46 pm wrote: Almost feels like they teed it up for anti-hand-counting forces (under the banner of the ACLU, which has become a joke of a "civil liberties" organization) to discredit the entire practice with the veneer of protecting voting rights. All while the ACLU says nothing about the far more important aspect of voting rights that is protected by ensuring votes are in fact counted accurately at all.


Astute observation. Unlikely to be isolated to Nye County alone.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:19 am

I agree. It feels like a huge set up that they set it up that way. Just do it the way all hand counting countries do it.

But frankly, "swaying the results" should come in a distant second to auditing the results to anyone who truly cares about democracy.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Marionumber1 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:31 am

Certainly, and it betrays the cravenness of their message about "a victory for all who believe in democracy" that the ACLU has nothing to say about the far greater importance of ensuring that cast votes are accurately counted.

Sadly, anti-hand-counting is a perspective I often see in the liberal/left contingent. I have long felt that the Stop the Steal movement was an operation designed to encourage those views: poison-pilling genuine election integrity concerns as the sole refuge of crazy Trump supporters who make BS claims and push "integrity" measures that are actually antidemocratic. Just recently I brought up my belief in hand-counting all votes to a real-life friend — who is a lefty and smart but still very much steeped in the mainstream press for getting information — and their response was to tell me they thought hand-counting would make cheating easier. They changed their mind and agreed with me after I explained how the process would really work, but the fact that this idea is taking root even among people like my friend is super concerning.

It definitely shouldn't be nearly as controversial as it is. Whenever an election is disputed, the go-to method (well, except in 2016, which set a disturbing precedent of Wisconsin counties being allowed to "recount" their ballots through the original machines) is a full hand count in public view. Everyone seems to agree that hand-counted paper ballots are the gold standard for tabulating an election's outcome. So if we care about election accuracy, why isn't that just the method?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:59 pm

Marionumber1 » 30 Oct 2022 06:31 wrote:Certainly, and it betrays the cravenness of their message about "a victory for all who believe in democracy" that the ACLU has nothing to say about the far greater importance of ensuring that cast votes are accurately counted.

Sadly, anti-hand-counting is a perspective I often see in the liberal/left contingent. I have long felt that the Stop the Steal movement was an operation designed to encourage those views: poison-pilling genuine election integrity concerns as the sole refuge of crazy Trump supporters who make BS claims and push "integrity" measures that are actually antidemocratic. Just recently I brought up my belief in hand-counting all votes to a real-life friend — who is a lefty and smart but still very much steeped in the mainstream press for getting information — and their response was to tell me they thought hand-counting would make cheating easier. They changed their mind and agreed with me after I explained how the process would really work, but the fact that this idea is taking root even among people like my friend is super concerning.

It definitely shouldn't be nearly as controversial as it is. Whenever an election is disputed, the go-to method (well, except in 2016, which set a disturbing precedent of Wisconsin counties being allowed to "recount" their ballots through the original machines) is a full hand count in public view. Everyone seems to agree that hand-counted paper ballots are the gold standard for tabulating an election's outcome. So if we care about election accuracy, why isn't that just the method?


Right. It reminds my of James Baker's ridiculous claim during Bush v. Gore that computers count votes better than humans. Come again?

It's amazing how short most people's political memories are.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Grizzly » Wed Nov 02, 2022 3:40 pm

^^^This...

A bit surprised whomever is running the White House account came together and decided to delete this tweet after the context check indicating its just going higher tied to inflation.

They don't get the Streisand effect or know that inflation is such a losing issue for them they better take whatever negatives from deletion?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Grizzly » Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:43 am

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:39 pm

Imagine Nixon had also signed an automatic COLA tied to CPI for the minimum wage in 1972. Today it would be $25 I think, at least $18, and probably a different world.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby drstrangelove » Wed Nov 09, 2022 4:22 am

looks like repubs may have found the narrative for their desantis pivot.
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