Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

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Who will be the actual Democratic candidate?

Sen. Harris
3
12%
Sen. Klobuchar
0
No votes
Sen. Warren
1
4%
Stacey Abrams
1
4%
Michelle Obama
4
16%
Secretary Clinton
4
16%
Gov. Whitmer
1
4%
Other VP candidate (click this and specify below)
3
12%
Brokered convention surprise: Other (click and specify)
3
12%
Rope-a-dope: Biden implodes, Sanders re-emerges
5
20%
 
Total votes : 25

Re: Pool: Who Is the Actual Democratic Candidate?

Postby Elvis » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:29 am

Called this in April... :wink

Elvis » Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:21 pm wrote:Condoleezza Rice.


Joe Biden's ideal VP is Condoleezza Rice
By Laurence Kotlikoff, Opinion Contributor — 06/08/20 06:00 PM EDT
...

The best candidate is clearly Condoleezza Rice. As a black woman, she can help bring our country together.

Yes, Secretary Rice served in President George W. Bush's Cabinet, both as our nation's top diplomat and before that as national security adviser. But she also served (as an intern) in the Carter administration’s State Department as well as in President George H.W. Bush's administration.

She’s a Republican, but she’s no ideologue. Consequently, she will instantly appeal to independents across the nation. Her selection would constitute a unity ticket and deprive President Trump not only of most votes in the middle, but millions of votes on the right.

... https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/50 ... eezza-rice


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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:05 am

It's all FUD from here to the convention, but it's remarkable that anyone, anywhere is advising a turn towards "the center" -- especially when "the center" is just Neocons.
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Postby 0_0 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:07 am

JackRiddler » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:12 pm wrote:But how absurd to want to condemn her for it. It is certainly preferable she does this, even if she omg breaks the pandemic rules


again missing my point completely, it's not that i condemn her for breaking the rules, it's that i ask which is it: does she believe that there is a deadly pandemic and people going outside in large groups is dangerous or does she not believe that? i think her actions this past week prove she doesn't believe that. if she doesn't believe that, why are the lockdown rules still in place

given that the likes of Trump and Cotton and Barr are pushing toward open military dictatorship and condoning mass murders by the army. You'd think the latter would be a greater concern for you?


again with your trump strawman, what would you do without that guy huh? leaving aside how on or off point your judgment is, this has nothing to do with my point. but sure, the only valid discussion point since 2016 and for the foreseeable future is how bad trump is, got it ok? i live in europe, fuck i care about what clown you guys have, a far greater and real threat of dictatorship for me right now is what the UK, the german, the belgian, the french, the dutch, the italian, the spanish governments etc are doing under the cover of covid.

Obviously this upsets you and some other people because it looks inconsistent with her advocacy of the often illogical pandemic rules,


again, it's not the 'apparent' inconsistency that 'upsets' me, it's the fact i can't get medical treatments, go to my work, go to a bar, go to see relatives, go to church, go to any kind of social club, have to subject myself to all kinds of oppressing & degrading rules and face a dystopian future of total destruction of society, all on the false pretense of a deadly pandemic, a deadly pandemic that clearly someone like whatshername doesn't even believe in herself

and her earlier condemnation of the armed right-wing extremist groups who invaded her statehouse for bogus protests at the invitation of billionaires.


well it is very interesting for sure to contrast the reactions to the two from the media, politicians and big corporations (and you!).. and i suppose the black lives matters would never be there at the invitation of billionaires

Which they got to do, so what is your complaint? That she didn't kiss them? I don't believe any of those gun-toters were arrested for their terrorist displays. Imagine what would happen if the #BLM protesters showed up with rifles and rocket launchers!


see above for my complaints you disingenuous pos.. and yes, a lot of peaceful protesters were arrested for protesting the lockdowns in germany and elsewhere

So what is it exactly that has you even focusing on Whitmer, a for-now relatively unimportant person, and thinking your judgment of her consistency matters to me or anyone else?


it''s been you that brought her up and that keeps going on about her ffs. I am talking about all the media, politicians and big corporations that were pushing the lockdown narrative the hardest because da covidia was the only important thing now like the synchronized swimmers they are all doing a 180 this last week and pushing going outside and protesting racism the hardest because racism is the only important thing. and to people who raise the point that maybe other stuff is important too the only counterargument, as you have proven many times, is: trump is bad. well goodluck with that, goodluck with larping the black plague and french revolution out there but please can europe go back to normal? thank you
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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:14 am



If you have not seen this yet, it is worth your 30 minutes.

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Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:17 am

stickdog99 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:14 am wrote:

If you have not seen this yet, it is worth your 30 minutes.

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Seen this floating around, only watched on your recommendation. Opinion of him just increased very highly. Thank you.
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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:21 am

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:05 am wrote:It's all FUD from here to the convention, but it's remarkable that anyone, anywhere is advising a turn towards "the center" -- especially when "the center" is just Neocons.


I would define neoconservatism as extreme American exceptionalism based on

1. maintaining the military capacity for perpetual war and, more importantly, the political will to regularly and unapologetically exercise unilateral, overwhelming, sudden, god-like, total force as the sovereign management principle of a global US empire;

2. a homefront united or completely quiescent behind a foreign policy of unilateral action and full-spectrum global domination;

3. a state willing to do whatever it takes to impose the needed domestic unity by repression, including campaigns of witchhunts in the old, anti-communist style, but with some flexibility on domestic politics otherwise, since it's secondary;

4. and, as the North Star to animate and guide the doctrine of perpetual war, the designation of a primary enemy that will be defined by every means of propaganda and indoctrination as completely evil, destructive, relentless, omnipresent, cunning, dangerous, infectious, and determined.

Ideally the enemy should be a powerful, nuclear-armed country that can be personalized and reduced to a creepy dictator with a moustache, but in the absence of a suitably scary candidate, any horde will have to do. The late-stage Soviet Union, despite its obvious unsuitability, was the necessary original choice for the role, both as the main nuclear-armed heavy oppressing Eastern Europe and holding Soviet Jews hostage, as well as a kind of unseen spider within the global web of "international terrorism" and anti-Americanism that was imagined to ally Iran, Palestinians, European leftists, certain Arab nationalist-autocrats, Japanese communists, environmentalists and pacifists, etc.

Unfortunately Gorbachev folded it up, allowing a glorious triumphal moment but forcing the neocons and their allies into 30 years of improvisation that initially focused on Saddam Hussein, Arabs generally, or "Islam" as the favored antagonists. After 9/11 this was morphed into the "Axis of Evil" and the "global war on terrorism," and thus "Islamism" more generally. Over the last decade Russia assumed the starring role again, although in the wake of the total failure of the #Russiagate campaign (despite the great investment of emotional-propaganda resources), there now seems to contention over whether the enemy is really China or the China-Latin axis, as the straightforward Trumpian-Bannonish nativists have set it up. Or, perhaps, that has to be, given the shifts in actual real-world geopolitics.

The mission of those called neocons (originally by themselves, now more often derogatorily by others) has always been to redefine the neocon program as the center. They understand themselves in heroic, vanguardist terms, and several of their original stars went through Trotskyist phases in their youth. They attack the mission with great ambition and no sense of limits, as a professional ethos. Exploiting the Reagan "revolution" and election, they succeeded in redefining "the center" of US political discourse in the early 1980s. Their efforts became superfluous in the 1990s, when second-phase neoliberalism achieved hegemony within the social-democratic parties of the Anglosphere and Europe, and the "conservatives" organized by the more Bircherish billionaire money were busy opening the Overton Window for later exploits (should I call that Tea Party V. Minus 1.0?).

The neocons then had their whole-hog triumph in the wake of 9/11.

It's not happening this time, but they're at it again -- their characterization of the enemy-image as relentless and omnipresent is surely a projection. Many of the same Reagonagenarians are trying to lead the charge, with leading neocons of the Bush era ensconsced at still sort-of-key media outlets: Frum at the Atlantic, Kristol managing a small attack fleet of his own, familiar minor exponents like Kathleen Parker still holding down columns at the legacy media and reborn as anti-Trumpists. The guys who crashed McCain and aborted Jeb! are calling themselves by pretentious names like "The Lincoln Project," and playing the role of an ideological steering bureau for a Democratic Party that currently lacks one. The party's establishment leadership intentionally adopts no real-world vision or definable principles, since even broaching the subject of Who We Are might entail rapid surrender to the Berniecrat ideas that have infected the overwhelming majority of potential Democratic voters.

That's why the neocons have no hope for the kind of combined cultural revolution and state takeover their earlier generation was able to pull off in the early 1980s; but they may still hope to repeat the arguably even more radical state takeover of the early 2000s through the simple expedient of a covert coup d'etat.

A choice of Condoleezza Rice would really be a clarifying moment.

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Postby SonicG » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:06 am

I called Condoleeza for VP last week...Makes sense to me, especially given the above-mentioned Lincoln Project folks. Tons of intelligence agency folks hanging about. There are still many twists and turns or FUD as Rex put it before the election that you really cannot seriously predict anything. Going to be a hot summer and heavy hurricane season. Trump may melt like a pumpkin-scented candle on the Vegas pavement but so so many variables out there...
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Postby Harvey » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:36 am

SonicG » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:06 pm wrote:I called Condoleeza for VP last week...Makes sense to me, especially given the above-mentioned Lincoln Project folks. Tons of intelligence agency folks hanging about. There are still many twists and turns or FUD as Rex put it before the election that you really cannot seriously predict anything. Going to be a hot summer and heavy hurricane season. Trump may melt like a pumpkin-scented candle on the Vegas pavement but so so many variables out there...



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Postby Sounder » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:16 am

I endorse this message. The technocratic faction is advancing while we allow racism to distract from the greater threat of classism. Yes, racism is a problem but all poor and working people share in the vulnerability of living in a world where hyper rich people call all the shots.

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Postby Harvey » Tue Jun 09, 2020 10:55 am

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."

~Steven Weinberg (Often quoted as paraphrased by Richard Dawkins.)

It's much simpler today. "Profit is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes the profit motive."
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Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:05 pm



So we sort of agree on something for once. I am 100% convinced that this particular person is stage-managed (the black panther film aesthetics are waaaaaaaay too obvious) and that someone intrepid will be able to locate this individual's headshot. I hope they do. Because if that's true, it is fucking disgusting.
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Postby brekin » Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:40 pm

Rebel Alliance can only beat Covid Star Dark Force with Social Justice Mitichlorians through Ritualized Mass Suicide Dispersal

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All the data projection's are clear, and as we've seen the devastation wrought by the Covid Star on Endor and other hot spots, only social distancing can flatten the curve.

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Yes we have not enough PPE and you yourselves are sitting way to close to each other, but starting...right now, we should start proactive measures to beat the Covid Star, victory is just around the corner. So please social isolate now.

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Yes, following up on what that science guy was saying, I am your vice admiral governor for the alliance, an authority figure most of you who were never aware of, but now I'm going to upend your very life in every conceivable way, with no time limit. Now all you please freeze yourself in carbon until we decode the plans for the Death Covid and create a vaccine, which probably not happen. But most importantly DO NOT MASS IN LARGE GROUPS

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This is going to be tough. Not the hero narrative I'm use to...I can only help defeat the Dark Side if I do nothing...ok, I've got this.

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(3 months later) It's too much, I can't go to the gym, star bucks, out to eat, job is on hold, college is canceled, cabo vacation off, lines everywhere, stuck in endless zoom meetings while I instagram a reality that no longer exists, and no one knows how long this will last, weeks, months, years...

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[Zoom Meeting]
K: You see the news?
R: No, I don't want to hear anything more about the pandemic, I think I'm slowly going cra-
K: Your going to the protest tonight right?
R: Protest? What are you talking about? Like a mass gathering? THAT is like the last thing we are suppose to do right now... right?
K: NOT if it is for a good cause.
R: What do you mean? It's a virus, it doesn't take sides.
K: That is where you are wrong. If you are protesting against having to social distance against the virus, that is like, so stupid and suicidal. The virus doesn't care what your politics are, like duh.
R: Ok.
K: BUT, if you are protesting against something heinous, that makes you righteous- well then the social justice mitichlorians will protect you.
R: I don't understand.
K: You don't have to, it's like science being trumped by politics combined with the release that only throwing a brick through a window can bring.


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Come to the protest, once your mitichlorians are woke you are immune. Besides your Instagram feed is dying on the vine.

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R: You were right! And these anonymous figures of authority are the perfect hate containers for my suppressed rage all these months.


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T: I think we can just take our bicycles, this looks like it's not going to dissipate soon, and the establishment is encouraging it...
G: That'll be the day.


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So...yeah, no mass gatherings because = mass death, um excepting when you woke your s.j. mitichlorians, mmmmkay? Oh, and Fuck The Police! ;)

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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:38 pm

liminalOyster » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:05 pm wrote:So we sort of agree on something for once. I am 100% convinced that this particular person is stage-managed (the black panther film aesthetics are waaaaaaaay too obvious) and that someone intrepid will be able to locate this individual's headshot. I hope they do. Because if that's true, it is fucking disgusting.


I'll bet anything it's some combo of promotional stunt and thinking they've made a positive message through cosplay. I expect they do want to encourage black people to arm up and are likelier to have prior experience with Black Panther, the movie (filmed in Atlanta, including all of the "Oakland" as well as Wakanda city scenes, huge numbers of actors involved in it) than with any of the various political groups claiming the name of the original BPP.

note that the first link, to spiikeg,
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBNxu0ygVWB/

leads to a web series he's produced and presumably stars in, about Justice, a black superhero vigilante type who seems to have been resurrected after being murdered by cops so as to take revenge on his killers and, as the trailer would have it... "Mr. Zimmerman."

https://watch.xperienc.tv/programs/justice?cid=795837

So, yeah, promotional, and I'll bet it's a good cause in their minds because... why not? The more dramatic your protest presence, the more you've done to change the world, right? Right?!

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Re: Bet on Dem VP! (Switches to: "Spring 2020 Riots Thread")

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:16 pm

JackRiddler » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:38 pm wrote:
liminalOyster » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:05 pm wrote:So we sort of agree on something for once. I am 100% convinced that this particular person is stage-managed (the black panther film aesthetics are waaaaaaaay too obvious) and that someone intrepid will be able to locate this individual's headshot. I hope they do. Because if that's true, it is fucking disgusting.


I'll bet anything it's some combo of promotional stunt and thinking they've made a positive message through cosplay. I expect they do want to encourage black people to arm up and are likelier to have prior experience with Black Panther, the movie (filmed in Atlanta, including all of the "Oakland" as well as Wakanda city scenes, huge numbers of actors involved in it) than with any of the various political groups claiming the name of the original BPP.

note that the first link, to spiikeg,
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBNxu0ygVWB/

leads to a web series he's produced and presumably stars in, about Justice, a black superhero vigilante type who seems to have been resurrected after being murdered by cops so as to take revenge on his killers and, as the trailer would have it... "Mr. Zimmerman."

https://watch.xperienc.tv/programs/justice?cid=795837

So, yeah, promotional, and I'll bet it's a good cause in their minds because... why not? The more dramatic your protest presence, the more you've done to change the world, right? Right?!

.


OK, that's more likely. My only hangup, however, is the shot with the police officer. Can't quite fit it with your theory, But suspect you're right on this,
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