COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

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COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:39 pm

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/what-cana ... -1.5099934

The Southern Hemisphere has been celebrating a silver lining in the dark cloud of the COVID-19 pandemic -- historically low rates of seasonal influenza, particularly in Australia.

“There is virtually no influenza here currently and hasn’t been since the end of March,” said Ian Barr, Deputy Director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza in Melbourne.

As an example, Barr cites the numbers from July when Australia charted 93 cases of lab-confirmed cases of influenza. “In 2019 we had 70,071 [cases] so you can see they're dramatically different,” he said.

Hospitalizations for influenza in Australia are also dramatically lower this year than the previous five years.

South Africa, Argentina, Chile and New Zealand also noted the same surprising trend. In some cases there was a marked uptick in flu vaccinations. Australia reported a near 150 per cent increase in flu vaccine uptake, which is a record rate.


https://www.who.int/influenza/surveilla ... 5.pdf?ua=1

National Influenza Centres (NICs) and other national influenza laboratories from 59 countries, areas or territories reported data to FluNet for the time period from 03 August 2020 to 16 August 2020 (data as of 2020-08-29 00:00:00 UTC). The WHO GISRS laboratories tested more than 198,148 specimens during that time period: 46 were positive for influenza viruses (that's 0.023%).


But what do we see in this month's headlines in the USA instead?

https://patch.com/new-york/tarrytown/st ... dents-poll

https://www.foxnews.com/health/new-york ... nts-report

https://patch.com/new-york/tarrytown/st ... dents-poll

https://omaha.com/lifestyles/health-med ... 04f0f.html

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/202009 ... g-pandemic

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/c ... story.html
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby cptmarginal » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:32 pm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... e_1936.pdf

Seasonal Influenza Vaccination and the Heightened Risk of Coronavirus and Other Pandemic Virus Infections: Fact or Fiction?

June 9, 2020

During this ongoing severe acute respiratory illness coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) pandemic, few speculative reports on significant association of influenza vaccines with an increased risk of coronavirus infection appeared both in media and academic circles. The speculation of vaccines paradoxically increasing the risk of infections possibly originated first following 2009 influenza A (H1N1pdm09) pandemic when four Canadian studies suggested that receipt of seasonal influenza vaccine increased the risk of laboratory-confirmed 2009 pandemic influenza A (H1N1pdm09) virus infection [1]. This led to five additional studies, each of which substantiated these initial findings. One proposed mechanism behind this phenomenon is ‘original antigenic sin’ which was first used to describe how first exposure to influenza virus shapes the outcome of subsequent exposures to antigenically related strains. When an individual is infected by an ‘evolved’ strain with a new dominant antigen, slightly different from the ‘original’ strain against which the person has been vaccinated, the immune system produces antibodies against the ‘original’ strain through preformed high-affinity memory B cells that inhibit activation of naïve B cells resulting in a weak immune response against the new ‘dominant’ strain. Hence, the risk of infection paradoxically increased in vaccinated individuals as compared to naïve individuals [2].

Besides, viruses are known to interfere with the circulation of other viruses. For example, there is evidence that the circulation of rhinovirus in the community interferes and decreases the spread of seasonal and pandemic influenza viruses [3,4]. Viral interference is also well-known to interfere with “take” of oral polio vaccine. However, more recently a new phenomenon, ‘vaccineassociated virus interference’ has been suggested whereby a vaccine can paradoxically increase the circulation of other viruses. That is, vaccinated individuals may be at increased risk for other respiratory viruses because they do not receive the non-specific immunity associated with natural infection [5,6]. Rikin, et al. [5] found an increased incidence of acute respiratory infection in children by non-influenza respiratory viruses among 999 participants (out of which 68.8% were children) following influenza vaccination compared to unvaccinated children during the same period. In a study of 115 children [6], a significantly increased risk of virologically confirmed non-influenza respiratory virus infections was found to be associated with receipt of inactivated influenza vaccine. Coronavirus was one of the non-influenza respiratory viruses [6]. Wolff, et al. [7] have recently performed a large study among defence personnel to investigate respiratory virus interference during the 2017–2018 influenza season by comparing respiratory virus status with their influenza vaccination status. They concluded that overall, receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among the study population. However, vaccine-derived virus interference by specific respiratory viruses was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus [7]. However, studies that have looked into the interference of influenza vaccine with specific non-influenza viral infections are scarce.

It is hypothesized that a respiratory virus infection confers immunity against the same and other respiratory viruses for a short time, perhaps a few weeks. This immune protection is associated with activation of the innate immune response to viral infection mediated by the release of type I interferons and other cytokines that have broad protective effects against a range of viruses [8]. This immunologic mechanism, known as heterosubtypic ‘temporary non-specific immunity’, has been proposed as the biological mechanism behind the paradoxical findings. Natural influenza infection that could have provided the host with some temporary immunity against other respiratory viruses is prevented by influenza vaccination. Hence, the risk of infection by non-influenza viruses (including the coronaviruses) is paradoxically increased [6].

The contentious issue of higher risk of non-influenza respiratory viruses to influenza vaccinated individuals has gained traction during the ongoing SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, which is also a coronavirus infection. Currently, we do not have sufficient data to establish or refute the association between influenza vaccination and higher susceptibility to coronavirus infection. We need to perform systematic studies urgently to find an answer to this question with regard to SARS-CoV-2. This is of vital importance since it is going to have far-ranging implications.

REFERENCES

1. Skowronski DM, De Serres G, Crowcroft NS, Janjua NZ, Boulianne N, Hottes TS, et al. Association between the 2008-09 seasonal influenza vaccine and pandemic H1N1 illness during spring–summer 2009: Four observational studies from Canada. PLoS Med 2010; 7: e1000258.

2. Zhang A, Stacey HD, Mullarkey CE, Miller MS. Original antigenic sin: How first exposure shapes lifelong anti-influenza virus immune responses. J Immunol. 2019; 202:335‐340.

3. Linde A, Rotzén-Östlund M, Zweygberg-Wirgart B, Rubinova S, Brytting M. Does viral interference affect spread of influenza? Euro Surveill. 2009;14:19354.

4. Anestada G, Nordbo SA. Virus interference. Did rhinoviruses activity hamper the progress of the 2009 influenza A (H1N1) pandemic in Norway? Med Hypotheses. 2011;77:1132-4

5. Rikin S, Jia H, Vargas CY, Castellanos de Belliard Y, Reed C, LaRussa P, et al. Assessment of temporally-related acute respiratory illness following influenza vaccination. Vaccine. 2018;36:1958-64.

6. Cowling BJ, Fang VJ, Peiris JSM, Nishiura H, Chan KH, Ng S, et al. Increased risk of noninfluenza respiratory virus infections associated with receipt of inactivated influenza vaccine. Clin Infect Dis. 2012;54:1778-83.

7. Wolff GG. Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defence personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season. Vaccine. 2020;38:350-54.

8. Khaitov MR, Laza-Stanca V, Edwards MR, Walton RP, Gohde G, Contoli M, et al. Respiratory virus induction of alpha-, beta- and lambda-interferons in bronchial epithelial cells and peripheral blood mononuclear cells. Allergy. 2009;64:375-86.


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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404712/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29525279/

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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby liminalOyster » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:48 pm

Flu is not as contagious and many people are taking good sanitation measures. This seems unsurprising.
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby Elvis » Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:16 am

liminalOyster wrote:Flu is not as contagious and many people are taking good sanitation measures. This seems unsurprising.


Agreed. Flu death numbers always surprised me, tens of thousands a year, but it seems most of it spreads because too many people with symptoms are, in one way or another, careless about not spreading it to others. Often they sort of have to go to work, despite a high risk of spreading the flu, for economic reasons, and hopefully now that will change and employers and/or goverment will accomodate contagious employees.

There are always some upsides to a crisis. :bigsmile
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:01 am

liminalOyster » 13 Sep 2020 00:48 wrote:Flu is not as contagious and many people are taking good sanitation measures. This seems unsurprising.


So a 99.7% reduction in the flu compared to last season is not surprising to anyone? That seems a bit like hindsight bias.

Hmmm. What rates of other communicable diseases could have potentially been eradicated due to better sanitation?
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby Grizzly » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:08 am

So a 99.7% reduction in the flu compared to last season is not surprising to anyone? That seems a bit like hindsight bias.


There's certainly no doubt that it's odd...
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby Grizzly » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:59 am

So a 99.7% reduction in the flu compared to last season is not surprising to anyone? That seems a bit like hindsight bias.


There's certainly no doubt that it's odd...
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby Harvey » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:27 am

Occams razor: flu deaths are now attributed to Covid 19 while anti-covid measures have driven down the remaining portion of expected flu deaths by inhibiting transmission.
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:00 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^

Such logic is verboten. Please remain at your current coordinates; technicians shall be promptly dispatched to ferry you to the reconditioning center.
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Re: COVID-19 somehow killed the flu

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:47 am

Harvey » 13 Sep 2020 19:27 wrote:Occams razor: flu deaths are now attributed to Covid 19 while anti-covid measures have driven down the remaining portion of expected flu deaths by inhibiting transmission.


Yeah. Nah.

COVID deaths in Australia are attrubuted to COVID and until that outbreak in Victoria there were less than 100 to go with the fuck all Flu deaths.

Everyone that died of the flu before this year was sacrificed on the alter of capitalist economics.
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