The Limits of Science

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:16 pm

Peter Breggin's youtube channel won't allow his last two weekly interviews to be shown, but he does have a show on Progressive Radio Network: https://prn.fm/schedule/ every Wednesday.

Here is the podcast from May 20 where he talks with Robert Yoho, MD.
The Dr. Peter Breggin Hour – 05.19.21 20May21

Peter Breggin MD interviews Robert Yoho MD
Butchered by "Healthcare" is the title of my guest's book and that is the subject of my interview with author Robert Yoho, MD. We might add "butchered for profit" to the title. A former ER doc and retired plastic surgeon, Dr. Yoho became disillusioned with medicine as a money-making machine. We look at the money behind everything from CPR and prostate surgery to C-sections and hysterectomies and on to antidepressants and anti-cholesterol drugs. Yes, even CPR is in among the overused and largely useless medical and surgical approaches and I was surprised to hear who's making money from it. Dr. Yoho is unmerciful toward the corporations who profit from the healthcare industry such as insurance and drug companies--and rightfully so with lots of data. The solution? Right now, being a skeptical and cautious consumer of healthcare is the most immediate and best answer, and this hour moved even me further in that direction.

https://drpeterbregginshow.podbean.com/ ... 93-051921/



https://1618words.com/butchered-by-healthcare/

Butchered by “Healthcare”: What to Do About Doctors, Big Pharma, and Corrupt Government Ruining Your Health and Medical Care
(embedded links)

by Robert Yoho

I WAS WRONG ABOUT HEALTHCARE

Wholly unprepared… we take the step into the afternoon of life; worse still, we take this step with the false assumption that our truths and ideals will serve as before. But we cannot live the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning—for what was great in the morning will be little at evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie.
Carl Jung

Doctors help patients, and they love us for it. We fix bones, replace joints, cure killer infections, and control diabetes with insulin. We use painless scans for diagnosis. Liver, kidney, and heart transplants are now routine. Some patients get cured of lymphomas, leukemia, Hodgkin’s disease, and testicular cancer. Lives are prolonged for myeloma and amyloidosis. Vaccines have saved millions worldwide.

We have complex technologies such as the heart bypass machine and dialysis. We replace diseased heart valves with artificial ones that work. Cardiologists permanently correct irregular rhythms using techniques that would seem natural on Star Trek. Other specialists gift infertile couples with children.

Despite this, many sources agree: for at least half of healthcare, the potential benefit does not outweigh the harm. For a lot of the rest, supporting evidence that it works is lacking. A review of over 5000 articles recommends against many of today’s standard practices.

The list below introduces some of the topics in this book, the worst failures of healthcare, in rough order of wasted resources. The opioid disaster, now killing 50,000 people a year in the US, is not even in the top seven. I “knew” a lot because of my degrees and training, but I was wrong about many things.

1) Insurance.

What I thought: health insurance protects us against disasters, just like fire insurance.

The truth: Most of the $3.65 trillion in US medical spending (2018) is run through insurance companies before payment, which produces an insanity of wastefulness. These corporations extract fully a fifth—twenty dollars of every hundred!—of whatever they touch for their administration and profits, and they know that if total spending goes up, they get more money.

After the insurance layer has taken its share, only 75-80 percent remains for “providers” and suppliers. Every one of these has their own bloated overhead, which they must pay before patients get anything. Hospitals, for example, consume at least 25 percent more for internal expenses. This system creates outrageous total costs.

The smaller but more gloomy insurance story is the workers compensation system.

2) Hospitals.

What I thought: hospitals are bureaucratic, but physicians supervise them to make people better.

The truth: Although many people who work in hospitals are idealistic, most of these corporations are ruthless pirates that are looting the patients who trust them. These companies pay or bully physicians to cooperate with their agendas.

Hospital costs are about a third of US healthcare. They spend ten to fifteen percent of their receipts just on coding, collections, and other methods to whip money out of the insurance companies.

3) Drugs and medical devices.

What I thought: Idealistic scientists wearing white coats develop new miracle drugs and devices all the time.

The truth: The pharmaceutical companies purposefully falsify the studies the FDA requires to patent medications, and the regulator turns a blind eye to it. Concealing negative studies that show little or no efficacy, such as was done with the antidepressants and the statin anti-cholesterol drugs, is just the start of their hoaxes. Because of practices like this, deciphering which medications work has become difficult. Many drugs are ineffective, and a lot are damaging. Some of the worst are the statins, the newer diabetes drugs, the osteoporosis drugs, the influenza vaccine, and the whole psychiatric pharmacy. These are all best-sellers.

The huge implant device industry plays the same games as the pharmaceutical companies and has fewer rules that force them to conduct proper studies.

Here is what I thought about generic drugs: they are just about as good but cheaper than patent medicines, which are a rip-off.

The truth: I was right; patent medicines are a rip-off. Generics are sometimes inactive or even contaminated, however. But they are now 90 percent of the American formulary because of patent drug price-gouging.

4) Journals and the academics of medicine:

What I thought: If I studied hard, read journals, went to meetings, and listened rather than talking to my friends, I would become a better physician. Also, if I looked at Internet sources, I would quickly learn about any medical field.

The truth: Doctors’ information sources have been wrecked by corporations. We depend on journals, but their editors have been bought off. They print fraudulent studies containing purposefully confusing math developed by academics who are sponsored by corporations.

Patients’ information sources, on the other hand, are advertising, “advocacy” groups, blogs written by industry, and wall-to-wall internet link-farms. They are all marketing in disguise and create anxiety and spread false information.

5) Mental Health.

What I thought: psychiatrists have some strange ideas, but their drugs are effective and treat mental illness just like insulin helps diabetes.

The truth: This is our most expensive and least effective medical sector. Informed commentators now call psychiatry a pseudo-science, and a substantial, credible group—besides Scientology—openly questions their theories and drugs.

Psychiatry is nearly divorced from even the flawed science advising the rest of medicine. The psychiatrists accept the most money from the pharmaceutical industry of any doctor group, which results in their ideas being the most contaminated. Their toxic medications might help a few sick people, but corporations promote them so heavily that one in six US citizens takes them. We mostly ignore the tragic consequences.

6) The heart industry.

What I thought: cardiologists and heart surgeons have effective treatments for coronary artery disease.

The truth: Invasive treatments for this are an immense but dismally ineffective industry. Sham surgery studies have now debunked stents, the tiny devices used to open coronary arteries. These might never work, depending on what you believe. The cardiologists understand the math yet continue placing them for the money.

Coronary artery bypass grafting surgery (CABG) is also useless or harmful. It immediately kills two to nine percent and gives long-term brain damage to a third. A few patients supposedly benefit: the three percent with severe blockage of their one-centimeter “left main” artery. For them, the studies show a five-year survival improvement of twenty (20) percent. But the operation is overwhelmingly performed for patients with other issues. These people suffer the complications with no chance of benefit.

Medications and lifestyle changes work better for coronary heart disease than these hazardous, invasive procedures.

7) Back pain.

What I thought: prolonged recovery might be the rule after back injuries, but the treatments, including surgery, help.

The truth: Unfortunately, our therapies are failures. Studies show every single one is an expensive, sometimes risky placebo. These include surgery, chiropractic, and the ultrasound and vibrators used by traditional physical therapists. Addictive opioid pain pills are prescribed long-term for chronic back pain, which is another disaster. Graduated exercise is the only treatment that helps these agonizing problems.

8) The opioid debacle.
(Omitted for brevity in this excerpt.)

9) Oncology or cancer treatment.

What I thought: we have a lot of cures and the science is advancing rapidly.

The truth: This is a heavily hyped sales pitch created by the industry. Cancer is the second leading cause of death after heart disease, but only a scant few treatments cure or even significantly prolong life. Although pain relief counts, extending life is the critical measure of success, and if the patient dies sooner of something else, it is a failure. Most of our toxic, over-advertised, extortionately priced treatments offer less than two months of prolonged survival.

Two-thirds of cancer doctors’ income comes from retailing drugs, or rather getting “rebates” for selling them. This is legal for corporations, but it would likely be criminal fee-splitting if done between physicians. Whatever the legalities, manipulating patient care with financial incentives has overwhelming potential for abuse. This must be banned.

10) The amphetamine tragedy.

What I thought: amphetamine abuse is mainly an issue for poor people in ghettos.

The truth: As with opioids, the pharmaceutical companies’ products are virtually identical to and produce the same disastrous effects as street drugs. Addicts use high doses, which make health destruction inevitable for this small group. Patients use lower doses, but prescriptions are so universal that this disaster is far more significant.

Corporations manipulate captive, well-paid psychiatrists to expand the indications for these drugs, despite the brain damage and behavior deterioration they cause. Nine percent of our children (a figure cited by the Centers for Disease Control) supposedly have “attention deficit hyperactivity disorder” (ADHD). Psychiatrists recommend medicating them. Many of our other kids get these medications from their friends.

The recent claim is that adults, including older people, also have an epidemic of ADHD, so they get prescriptions also. Some children now buy the drugs from their neighborhood senior citizen.

11) Mammograms.

What I thought: mammograms save women from breast cancer.

The truth: Mammograms used to check women without lumps or other indications are a waste of time, money, and emotional energy. Millions of these tests are performed each year, hundreds of thousands of them are positive or unclear, and untold women get repeated mammograms and ultrasound examinations to chase the findings. After this, biopsies and surgeries are done to evaluate and cut out the areas of concern.

This process is expensive, and each procedure is a little risky. But the math does not work—patients do not live longer after accounting for the hazards of the invasive procedures that ensue after a mammographic finding. We would be better off if the system only evaluated women with lumps they find themselves.

12) Colon cancer.

What I thought: colonoscopy saves us from colon cancer.

The truth: Colonoscopy for random patients looking for colon cancer has no benefit.

This tumor is the second most frequent cancer killer after lung cancer. US gastroenterologists look inside the colon to identify small cancers and pre-cancers before they spread. Since surgeons can often cure these in their early stages by cutting out a section of the colon, this screening program seems reasonable. But examining patients without symptoms or known disease does not increase the average time they live.

13) Prostate cancer.

What I thought: urologists save men from dying of prostate cancer by checking a blood test on everyone over a certain age.

The truth: This does not work. The standard routine is to check the prostate-specific antigen (PSA) in the blood, and when it is high, to do painful biopsies. If cancer is seen, a removal operation called “radical prostatectomy” is often recommended. This commonly results in impotence and incontinence and saves no lives overall. Other therapies for the early stages of this cancer are also ineffective and damaging.

Even though about 75 percent of older men get prostate cancer before they die, it is only fatal in two percent. The tumor is usually inactive, and an aggressive approach does more harm than good.

14) Endoscopic knee surgery for arthritic knee and hip pain.

What I thought: if my knees hurt, an endoscopic operation will help.

The truth: Sham surgery studies compared patients who had this procedure versus those who only had incisions and anesthesia. There was no difference—the operation was a failure. The orthopedists know this, but they still perform this somewhat risky surgery. The costs in the US are $4 billion a year.

Whether you are a doctor or patient, the painful reality introduced here is running you over. The next two chapters explain how it all started and developed.

https://1618words.com/butchered-by-healthcare/


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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby dada » Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:47 pm

Tying together lines of thought from the Mars thread and the clear blue tuesdag tower thread. On the one we have the scientists who have had their careers and legacies jettisoned, right down the mass culture shitter. On the other we have the Cathars, Templar, Ismailis, the witches and gypsies and jews having their careers and legacies wiped out, usually by lies, torture and fire.

So I'm saying that wiping out these groups of people wipes out their science in the same way as going after the legacies of the individual scientific martyrs. As well the massive genocide of the Americas. There are scientific minds in all of these destroyed cultures, making contributions to the history of science. All lost now.

Maybe will all be rediscovered someday. And I do not mean that as a comforting thought, at all. Because it isn't, not the way things stand as of today.

But I think looking at it this way, we might come to a better understanding of the limitations of science, in particular what we call nowadays "Western science," as practiced the world over. Get a sense of how Western science has been short-changed by mass culture's mowing down of the cultures of witches and savages in large swaths over a relatively quick span of time. Science in the "west" has been robbed of the contributions of not only the scientists in its midst that it has silenced, but the contributions of scientific minds in the transgressive cultures outside as well, that thanks to the imperial expansions of mass production are no longer.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:45 am

Comment from Off-Guardian (James Corbett on the Delingpod)

goldenratio01
Jun 4, 2021
6:11 PM

Corbett pooping on the “does the virus exist” question wasn’t encouraging. Perhaps he meant this isn’t a way to wake up normies… which is maybe a decent point. But it is definitely not to be ignored and is actually vitally important IMHO.

I do not agree at all that this question is a dead-end. In fact, this route seems to give us the best route for a court-case-provable method of taking down the PCR testing regime and the DNA/mRNA vaccines. Once these two things fall apart, the entire COVID-19 empire crumbles.

I think everyone needs to learn about Stefan Lanka’s experiments. He is on the cusp of bringing down the house of cards. Here is a 20 minute summary of his ongoing experiments presented by Heather Bruno. Basically, he carries out a control experiment using healthy tissues that produce the same result as any claimed virus including COVID. This whole thing rests on the observation of “cytopathic effect” in cell cultures. From this perfectly healthy sample, Lanka was even able to apply standard in-silico sequencing methods and get his computer to assemble any desired virus (ebola, CV-19, etc). The sequencing methods are a sham and this implies that the PCR tests and sequences in the DNA/mRNA injections are total fake news!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jw3D3fexbCij/

Here is a ~7 minute video with Lanka himself:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cRT95DpkQece/

And a fantastic writeup here:
http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/art ... part-1.pdf

Please spread this info. It could change the world!

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/04/wat ... ent-379943
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:41 am

conniption » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:45 am wrote:
Comment from Off-Guardian (James Corbett on the Delingpod)

goldenratio01
Jun 4, 2021
6:11 PM

Corbett pooping on the “does the virus exist” question wasn’t encouraging. Perhaps he meant this isn’t a way to wake up normies… which is maybe a decent point. But it is definitely not to be ignored and is actually vitally important IMHO.

I do not agree at all that this question is a dead-end. In fact, this route seems to give us the best route for a court-case-provable method of taking down the PCR testing regime and the DNA/mRNA vaccines. Once these two things fall apart, the entire COVID-19 empire crumbles.

I think everyone needs to learn about Stefan Lanka’s experiments. He is on the cusp of bringing down the house of cards. Here is a 20 minute summary of his ongoing experiments presented by Heather Bruno. Basically, he carries out a control experiment using healthy tissues that produce the same result as any claimed virus including COVID. This whole thing rests on the observation of “cytopathic effect” in cell cultures. From this perfectly healthy sample, Lanka was even able to apply standard in-silico sequencing methods and get his computer to assemble any desired virus (ebola, CV-19, etc). The sequencing methods are a sham and this implies that the PCR tests and sequences in the DNA/mRNA injections are total fake news!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jw3D3fexbCij/

Here is a ~7 minute video with Lanka himself:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cRT95DpkQece/

And a fantastic writeup here:
http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/art ... part-1.pdf

Please spread this info. It could change the world!

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/04/wat ... ent-379943


The Final Refutal of Virology - https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query= ... kind=video - is starting to be picked up by other channels on Bitchute (26 so far...), and I share the commenter's view that this would be a major step in changing the world or helping to create a new paradigm shift in medical thought and practice...perhaps exposing the medical mafia for the criminal operation they have become. Mind you, many are already calling it a hoax. I sure hope not, because it is what I believe to be true...and what's wrong with a little bit of confirmation bias? Anyway?

Putting the germ theory discussion aside for now, I wanted to go back to the Religious aspect of Conspiracy Theory because, you have to admit, the religious Republican Looneys have much better conspiracys than the lame-o lefties these days. Maybe they always have had although some conspiracies go back and forth over the line between left and right depending on who's in office, such as the FEMA camps where I first heard Bush was going to put all the dissenters to the wars, etc. Then Obama came along and the FEMA camps were going to round up all the tea partiers and on and on. Whatever side lost was about to be rounded up and locked up...heck these days we're ready to go to war with the damn dissenters. A serious situation, to be sure.

Anyway, Dr. Breggin, (a man I have greatly admired and appreciated over the years, here: https://www.amazon.com/Toxic-Psychiatry ... oks&sr=1-4 ...since 1994 with his book Toxic Psychiatry,) has come around to join in on the fight against the Covid scare, lockdowns, masks, etc... and has had numerous videos and radio broadcasts with guest doctors, and valuable discussions and so on. While I did see a zealotry simmering below the surface of his calm demeanor which seemed to contain some pro-trump/anticommunist stirrings, I sorta let it ride, him being over 80 and all. Then some weeks ago, he lost it for real in my eyes, preaching God and patriotism and much hatred for Communism ... he gets that look is his eyes and snarls and spits when he says the word. I don't know what they did to people back in the day to make them hate communism in such a way...religiously even. I've seen it before.

The interview with Robert Yoho. who wrote the book Butchered by “Healthcare” (posted above), I thought was interesting because he seemed to avoid any reference at all to anti-covid, anti-vaccine talk. Makes me wonder. He wouldn't join Breggin's anti-covid campaign? After bad talking the entire medical establishment?

Back to religion. Catherine Austin Fitts was on Breggins show a couple of times. I don't know if you noticed, but at the end of one of her interviews about the documentary Planet Lockdown, which I enjoyed, she went on about her "favorite book from the Bible" ... and the battle being waged between the forces of good and evil. She also avoided talking about Covid with Breggin in the second interview and focused on education instead. At one point in the 1st interview, Breggin timidly asked CAF what about Trump? as far as solutions to our current crisis...and wow, she was like...NO, NO, NO, Not Trump!!!

Maybe conspiracy theorists use the bible and God as a defense from prosecution? Because it happens all the time. Fritz Springmeier comes to mind, as well as Leonard Horowitz. There are more, to be sure, but I can't think of them at the moment.

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:23 pm

^^^ ...
"The interview with Robert Yoho. who wrote the book Butchered by “Healthcare” (posted above), I thought was interesting because he seemed to avoid any reference at all to anti-covid, anti-vaccine talk. Makes me wonder. He wouldn't join Breggin's anti-covid campaign? After bad talking the entire medical establishment?"


Another interesting point Robert Yoho made in the Peter Breggin interview posted above - https://drpeterbregginshow.podbean.com/ ... 93-051921/ - was that CPR doesn't work ... ?? The first time it comes up at 39:30 min. Then Breggin brings it up again at 45:35 min. Hadn't heard that one before...

~~~

Back to topic. (Maybe should change the title of the thread to The Corruption of Science.) ...
off-guardian (embedded links)

The NHS just changed how they count Covid “cases”…here’s why.
NHS source claims new data will be “more realistic” in the future, by removing “incidental” Covid from the records.

Kit Knightly
Jun 11, 2021


The UK’s National Health Service has received new instructions from the government on how it should record Covid19 “cases”, separating those who are actually sick from those who just test positive.

From the beginning of the “pandemic” last spring, the NHS (and other countries all over the world) have defined a “case” as anyone who tests positive for the Sars-Cov-2 virus, regardless of whether or not they have symptoms.

Given that as many as 80% of those who have been infected have no symptoms, and the propensity for the flawed PCR tests to return false-positive results, this lead to likely massively inflated numbers of “cases”.

Now, though, the NHS is going to attempt to differentiate between patients who actually have the alleged disease “Covid19”, and those who are in hospital for other reasons and only “incidentally” tested positive for the virus.

According to a report in the Independent [emphasis added]:

NHS England has instructed hospitals to make the change to the daily flow of data sent by NHS trusts […] Hospitals have been told to change the way they collect data on patients infected with coronavirus to differentiate between those actually sick with symptoms and those who test positive while seeking treatment for something else.


The distinction between “with” and “from” in Covid deaths – and “with” and “for” in hospitalisations – has been one Covid sceptics all over the world have been keen to make for over a year, but this is the first time any institution has really recognised the difference. And, certainly, it’s the first time any healthcare service has endeavoured to actually catalogue them differently.

So what does the NHS expect the impact of this change to be? Again, from the Independent:

One NHS source said the new data would be “more realistic” as not all patients were sick with the virus, adding: “But it will make figures look better as there have always been some, for example stroke [patients], who also had Covid as an incidental finding”.


That’s a frank admission, and an important one.

For the last eighteen months, voices all over the alternate media have been saying the Covid numbers are unrealistic, specifically because they include people who were never actually sick. We have been called “deniers” and “conspiracy theorists” for our trouble.

But now an NHS source has actually said, going forward, the Covid data will be “more realistic” as it will discount all the patients where Covid was only “an incidental finding”. This is a bigger story than the media coverage suggests – only the Indy and Telegraph are covering it right now, and neither with the focus it deserves.

NHS England is, essentially, tucking away a covert admission that a lot of their fear-mongering statistics were never “realistic”.

Why would they do this? And why now?

Well, here’s what they claim [emphasis added]:

[The NHS said] the move was being done to help analyse the effect of the vaccine programme and whether it was successfully reducing Covid-19 sickness.


But it doesn’t really make any sense, when you think about it.

It will “help analyse the effect of the vaccine programme”? How so?

How does changing the definition at this point possibly help “analyse” anything? Doesn’t it confuse the issue?

Won’t it, in fact, effectively reduce the numbers of official “covid cases”? Doesn’t making the numbers “look better”, at this stage, make the “vaccine” appear more effective?

It’s also important to note that the changes in data collection will only apply to new patients, it will not be retroactive. Prof Keith Willett, NHS England’s Covid incident director, was very clear on that in a quote for the Telegraph [emphasis added]:

In lay terms this could be considered as a binary split between those in hospital ‘for Covid-19’ and those in hospital ‘with Covid-19’. We are asking for this binary split for those patients newly admitted to hospital and those newly diagnosed with Covid while in hospital.”


So, the old (and now admitted unrealistic) data, will not be subject to change. The Covid “case” numbers before June 7th are etched in stone – everyone who tested positive was a “case”.

But after June 7th they will be separating Covid cases who are actually hospitalised due to Covid19, from other patients who only have “incidental covid”.

Any good scientist will tell you you can’t change the way you measure or collect your data halfway through an experiment, and you can’t compare data gathered in one way to data gathered in another. That is not “analysing the effect” of anything, it’s altering the experiment conditions.

The difference between “with” and “for” has always existed, but by applying that filter only to new data they will make it appear that it’s a new phenomenon, caused by the vaccination programme.

It is incredibly bad science.

…but it’s also totally in keeping with the trend of altering Covid practices to create the impression the “vaccine” is having a positive impact.

We’ve already reported that WHO changed their Covid diagnosis guidelines, and their PCR test guidelines, in late 2020 and early 2021, right in line with the first vaccination programs being launched. The US CDC has likewise been repeatedly fiddling their definition of “breakthrough infection” in order to make the vaccines appear more effective.

This NHS change is just more of the same – altering the experimental conditions to achieve the desired outcome. A total, complete inversion of the scientific method, by the same people who zealously scream about “following the science”.

It is deliberate manipulation of the data, being done brazenly in the public eye.

But what impact will it actually have? Throughout the pandemic, how many patients were ever sick with only Covid, and how many had cancer, or a stroke or Alzheimers along with “incidental covid”?

Well, official figures on deaths have shown that well over 80% of so-called “Covid deaths” had at least one serious pre-existing condition, and Bernard Marx did a great breakdown of how the cause of death figures are manipulated. But that’s deaths, what about hospital admissions?

Although only anecdotal, we have been sent results of several Freedom of Information Act requests that UK citizens submitted to their local NHS trusts. These FOI requests ask for the number of people currently in hospital being treated for Covid, or numbers who died solely due to Covid or variations on that theme. Here’s 1, 2, 3, 4 them. There are a lot more available.

The numbers are uniformly small. So, it’s entirely possible that, under this new method of “analysis”, the NHS’s list of “Covid cases” will shrink to almost nothing.

Don’t worry though, should that happen we will likely never be told about it, because NHS England has made it quite plain that they might never release this data to the public. Both the Independent and Telegraph say so, with almost word-for-word the exact same sentence:

NHS England has not yet confirmed whether the data will be made public, as it must be checked and verified first.


They need to “check” and “verify” the data before we’re allowed to see it, huh? It’s almost as if they’ve got something to hide.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/11/the ... heres-why/

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:03 am

conniption » 12 Jun 2021 12:23 wrote:^^^ ...
"The interview with Robert Yoho. who wrote the book Butchered by “Healthcare” (posted above), I thought was interesting because he seemed to avoid any reference at all to anti-covid, anti-vaccine talk. Makes me wonder. He wouldn't join Breggin's anti-covid campaign? After bad talking the entire medical establishment?"


Another interesting point Robert Yoho made in the Peter Breggin interview posted above - https://drpeterbregginshow.podbean.com/ ... 93-051921/ - was that CPR doesn't work ... ?? The first time it comes up at 39:30 min. Then Breggin brings it up again at 45:35 min. Hadn't heard that one before...



There is probably a reason for that...
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:10 pm

Re-quoting...

conniption » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:45 am wrote:
Comment from Off-Guardian(James Corbett on the Delingpod)

goldenratio01
Jun 4, 2021
6:11 PM

Corbett pooping on the “does the virus exist” question wasn’t encouraging. Perhaps he meant this isn’t a way to wake up normies… which is maybe a decent point. But it is definitely not to be ignored and is actually vitally important IMHO.

I do not agree at all that this question is a dead-end. In fact, this route seems to give us the best route for a court-case-provable method of taking down the PCR testing regime and the DNA/mRNA vaccines. Once these two things fall apart, the entire COVID-19 empire crumbles.

I think everyone needs to learn about Stefan Lanka’s experiments. He is on the cusp of bringing down the house of cards. Here is a 20 minute summary of his ongoing experiments presented by Heather Bruno. Basically, he carries out a control experiment using healthy tissues that produce the same result as any claimed virus including COVID. This whole thing rests on the observation of “cytopathic effect” in cell cultures. From this perfectly healthy sample, Lanka was even able to apply standard in-silico sequencing methods and get his computer to assemble any desired virus (ebola, CV-19, etc). The sequencing methods are a sham and this implies that the PCR tests and sequences in the DNA/mRNA injections are total fake news!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/jw3D3fexbCij/

Here is a ~7 minute video with Lanka himself:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cRT95DpkQece/

And a fantastic writeup here:
http://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/art ... part-1.pdf

Please spread this info. It could change the world!

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/04/wat ... ent-379943


More from Stefan Lanka:

Disproving the Basic Tenets of Virology

Link to video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/nvLo11fodfA1/ (1:03 min.)

Rambaldi's Eye

Dr. Tom Cowan talks with eminent German biologist and virologist Dr. Stefan Lanka about the history of virology and helps us understand the many wrong turns virologists have taken over the years. Dr. Lanka also updates us on his ground-breaking study that disproves the basic tenets of virology.

Originally aired: 25 Mar 2021
Source: Dr. Tom Cowan (BC)


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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:03 am

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What I know (and don’t know) about SARS-CoV-2
Edward Curtin
Jun 20, 2021


After fifteen months of assiduous reading, study, observation, and research, I have come to some conclusions about what is called COVID-19.

I would like to emphasize that I have done this work obsessively since it seemed so important.

I have consulted information and arguments across all media, corporate and alternative, academic, medical, books, etc. I have consulted with researchers around the world. I have read the websites of the CDC, the World Health Organization, and government and non-government health organizations.

In other words, I have left no stone unturned, despite the overt or covert political leanings of the sources. I have done this as a sociologist and writer, not as a medical doctor, although many of my sources have been medical doctors and medical studies.

My succinct conclusions follow without links to sources since I am not trying to persuade anyone of anything but just stating for the public record what I have concluded.

Life is short. I am going to say it now…

I know that vast numbers of people have been hypnotized by fear, threats, and bribes to accept the corporate mainstream media’s version of COVID-19. I have concluded that many millions are moving in a trance state and do not know this. They have been induced into this state by a well-organized, very sophisticated propaganda campaign that has drawn on the human fear of death and disease.

Those behind this have no doubt studied the high incidence of hypochondriasis in the general population and the fear of an invisible “virus” in societies where belief in God and the spiritual invisible has been replaced by faith in science. Knowing their audience well, they have concocted a campaign of fear and confusion to induce obedience.

I do not know, but suspect, that those who have been so hypnotized tend to be mainly members of the middle to the upper classes, those who have invested so much belief in the system. This includes the highly schooled.

I know that to lockdown hundreds of millions of healthy people, to insist they wear useless masks, to tell them to avoid human contacts, to destroy the economic lives of regular people have created vast suffering that was meant to teach people a lesson about who was in control and that they better revise their understanding of human relations to adjust to the new digital unreality that the producers of this masquerade are trying to put in place of flesh and blood, face to face human reality.

I know that the PCR test invented by Kary Mullis cannot test for the alleged virus or any virus and therefore all the numbers of cases and deaths are based on nothing. They are conjured out of thin air in a massive act of magic.

I know that the belief that it can so test began with the unscientific PCR Corona protocol created by Christian Drosten in Germany in January 2020 that became the standard method for testing for SARS-CoV-2 worldwide. I am sure this was preplanned and part of a high-level conspiracy. This protocol set the cycle threshold (amplification) at 45 which could only result in false positive results. These were then called cases: An act of fraud on a massive scale.

I do not know if the alleged virus has ever been isolated in the sense of being purified or detached from everything else aside from being cultured in a lab. Therefore I do not know if the virus exists.

I know that the experimental mRNA “vaccines” that are being pushed on everyone are not traditional vaccines but dangerous experiments whose long-term consequences are unknown. And I know that Moderna says its messenger RNA (mRNA) non-vaccine “vaccine” functions “like an operating system on a computer” and that Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, says that the lipid nanoparticles from the injections travel throughout the body and settle in large quantities in multiple organs where the spike protein, being biologically active, can cause massive damage and that the FDA has known this.

Additionally, I know that tens of thousands of people have suffered adverse effects from these injections and many thousands have died from them and that these figures are greatly underestimated due to the reporting systems. I know that with this number of casualties in the past these experimental shots would have been stopped long ago or never started. That they have not, therefore, convinces me that a radically evil agenda is under way whose goal is harm not health because those in charge know what I know and much more.

I do not know where this alleged virus originated, if it exists.

I know that from the start of this crisis, there was a concerted effort across the world to deny access to proven effective treatments such as hydroxychloroquine, steroids, ivermectin in a planned effort to vaccinate as many people as possible. This alone reveals an agenda centered, not on health, but on getting as many people as possible to submit to being vaccinated and controlled. Social control is the name of this deadly game.

I know that those pushing these vaccines – The World Economic Forum, the World Health Organization, the Gates Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, etc. – have a long history of wanting to drastically reduce the world’s population and that their promotion of eugenics under various names is very well known. I am convinced that the totally untested mRNA-type “gene therapy” is the key to their plan for population reduction.

I do not know if they will succeed.

I know they must be resisted.

I do not know why so many good people cannot see through this evil. I can only attribute it to having been seduced by a massive hypnotic propaganda campaign that has appealed to their deepest fears and will result in those fears being realized because they thought they were free. It is a great tragedy.

I know that all the statistics about cases and deaths “from” COVID-19 have been manipulated to create a fake pandemic. One of the most obvious proofs of this is the alleged disappearance of the flu and deaths from influenza. Only someone in a trance could fail to understand the absurd logic in the argument that this was the result of mask-wearing when at the same time the air-born COVID-19 spread like wildfire until that stopped precipitously in January 2021 when a tiny number of people had been vaccinated.

I know there has been barely any excess mortality throughout all this.

I do not know where it will all end but hope against hope the growing opposition to this fraud will grow and defeat it despite the organized censorship that is underway against dissenting opinions. I know that when organized censorship on this scale takes place those behind it are afraid of the revelation of the truth. A simple understanding of history confirms this.

I know that the temporary reprieve the authorities have granted to their subjects will be followed by further restrictions on fundamental freedoms, the corona virus lockdowns will likely return, “vaccine” boosters will be promoted, and the World Economic Forum’s push for a Great Reset with a Fourth Industrial Revolution will lead to the marriage of artificial intelligence, cyborgs, digital technology, and biology with the USA and other countries continuing to slip into a new form of fascist control unless people across the world stand up and resist in great numbers. I am heartened by signs that this resistance is growing.

Finally, I know if the authoritarian forces win the immediate battle, someone will write a book with a title like that of Milton Mayer’s classic, They Thought They Were Free. It will be censored. Perhaps it will first be shared via samizdat. But in the end, after much suffering and death, the truth about this evil agenda will prevail and there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We are in a spiritual war for the soul of the world.
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Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:18 am

I do not know where this alleged virus originated, if it exists.

I wish i believed cool shit like this. I suppose it would have to be the absence of the flu. But then all the auxiliary covid activities would have to be flu too. Maybe flu is discreetly, so highly specialized, that there are only five global flu experts in the world. Maybe the rest all died in a plane crash on the way to a flu convention in Melbourne, Australia. A couple others died in murder suicides. Now there are just five. Five Flu Fauci's, and they are the only ones that know what the flu looks like under a microscope. So they just called the flu covid. And it turned out all other Scientific fields where so highly specialized too, that they all took this on good authority.

I want to believe.
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:25 am

Why You Can't Catch A Virus.

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Mirrored From Spacebusters,
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A perverse reality that in many ways threatens the human being and that presents a lot of resistance to be accepted by ordinary people. People who react disqualifying those who disseminate this type of information, and do so as a defense mechanism, as the only option in the face of an incomprehensible burden of human evil, a burden that is very difficult to process by people of good intentions.
There are many examples throughout history where political, economic and global control interests force to use and divert “science” to the point of threatening life on this planet.
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Each season is a research field where we collect documentation of the “unofficial science” of professionals, researchers, journalists, scientists and “dissident” academics, of Nobel prizes that did not lose their integrity. Of people who place ethics and love for future generations above their future and their career. We upload official documents, videos, audios, radio interviews and declassified documents. Always checking the sources and referencing so that the reader who is willing to wake up continues on their own investigating and drawing their conclusions about the reality they tell us.
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This term came up after the research on Season 1 , where we concluded that there was no external contagious agent responsible for a new “epidemic”

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1) They change the interpretation of the antibody test in 1984 because it does not detect an exogenous agent. It detects endogenous products of illness. Does not identify cause, is not test for a virus and is not a test for antibodies of a virus. Autoantibodies.
All are positives in some % without delution of the sample, because they test for human proteins. Those proteins are more present in ill person, thats why the have more antibodies, but says nothing about the cause. It is not a test ” for the presence of a new exogenous contagious virus” at all .

2) There is no vaccine that prevent any disease, just need to look at the curves and when vaccines were implemented.

3) Vaccines promote illness, just see the outbreaks after mass vaccination campaigns.

PLEASE WAKE UP, 2020 IS AN OPORTUNITY TO WAKE UP AND START QUESTIONING. STARTING POINT : READ ANTOINE BECHAMP

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Jun 22, 2021 2:48 pm

Lanka believes Hiv is a psychosomatic disease.
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:26 am

Deja Vu - I must have covered much of this info at RI back in the day...

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To help you make better informed health decisions, this Web site archives evidence and opinions of scientists, journalists and others against the myths of AIDS. The site contains more than 1500 pages with over 1000 articles. Most of these articles have been published in (peer reviewed) journals, magazines, and newspapers.

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[2017 Jan] Anti-Vaxxer Biologist Stefan Lanka Bets Over $100K Measles Isn’t A Virus; He Wins In German Federal Supreme Court By prophylactic vaccination of adults and especially children against measles, the pharmaceutical industry has earned Billions over a 40-year period. The judges at the German Federal Supreme Court (BGH) confirmed in a recent ruling that measles virus do not exist though. Furthermore: There is not a single scientific study in the world which could prove the existence of such virus so far. This raises the question of what was actually injected into millions of German citizens over the past decades. According to the judgment by the Supreme Court, it may not have been a vaccine against measles...
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby Harvey » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:36 am

conniption » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:41 am wrote:Back to religion. Catherine Austin Fitts was on Breggins show a couple of times. I don't know if you noticed, but at the end of one of her interviews about the documentary Planet Lockdown, which I enjoyed, she went on about her "favorite book from the Bible" ... and the battle being waged between the forces of good and evil. She also avoided talking about Covid with Breggin in the second interview and focused on education instead. At one point in the 1st interview, Breggin timidly asked CAF what about Trump? as far as solutions to our current crisis...and wow, she was like...NO, NO, NO, Not Trump!!!

Maybe conspiracy theorists use the bible and God as a defense from prosecution? Because it happens all the time. Fritz Springmeier comes to mind, as well as Leonard Horowitz. There are more, to be sure, but I can't think of them at the moment.

Thanks for reading.


I know from talking to random people, which I do all day every day at the moment (while hawking my wares on the street) there is a strong community of Christian oposition to everything that is happening in terms we would certainly recognise at RI, some of them are scientists. It's a good idea not to exclude or ignore a valuable ally (allowing for motives relating to prosecution.) Look at who the majority of the abolitionists were, look at who marched with King and against Vietnam. I've long argued that middle-class-scientific-rational-liberals shot themselves in the foot by pushing Christians away and into the arms of the far right for so many decades.

This comes from the perspective of one who wishes to remain well outside Christian belief while recognising that they see many of the same things I see, the difference being they insist on calling it God. Two public examples of the wider Christian community whom I also recognise from my local experience would be Chris Hedges and Rupert Sheldrake.
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This he said to me
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:20 pm

Iamwhomiam » 22 Jun 2021 18:48 wrote:Lanka believes Hiv is a psychosomatic disease.


I am now curious about Dr. Stefan Lanka. Has anybody definitely refuted his claims* using actual scientific evidence?

https://www.newbraveworld.org/debunking ... new-virus/

*“All scientists who think they are working with viruses in laboratories are actually working with typical particles of specific dying tissues or cells which were prepared in a special way. They believe that those tissues and cells are dying because they were infected by a virus. In reality, those prepared tissues and cells are dying because they were starved and poisoned as a consequence of the experiment in the lab.”

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:01 am

On my way through The Saker's blog this week I happened across the following posts: (you see...the Saker had forbidden all comments relating to covid on his blog for the past year, and his followers had much to say, but only these 3 posts to say it in.)


Question for COVID-dissidents and anti-vaxxers
July 02, 2021

https://thesaker.is/question-for-covid- ... i-vaxxers/


Follow-up to the 500+ (!) replies from yesterday
July 03, 2021

https://thesaker.is/follow-up-to-the-40 ... yesterday/


The Saker has been kidnapped (and he is crazy) – final episode :-)
July 04, 2021

https://thesaker.is/the-saker-has-been- ... l-episode/
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