The Limits of Science

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:44 pm

@SpaceIsWaterEarthIsFlat


"The Limits of Science," indeed.

Not that I'm complaining; I like my Strangeness to be as High as possible.
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby DrEvil » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:40 pm

That's just silly. Everyone knows space is full of aether.

It's pretty impressive that people today can be more ignorant about our planet than the ancient Greeks.
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby BenDhyan » Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:07 pm

DrEvil » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:40 am wrote:That's just silly. Everyone knows space is full of aether.

It's pretty impressive that people today can be more ignorant about our planet than the ancient Greeks.

Not everyone, some think there is a vacuum within and between atoms. Of course others call it by another name, quantum vacuum, dark energy and matter, spirit, zpe, a rose by any other name.......
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby DrEvil » Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:04 pm

BenDhyan » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:07 am wrote:
DrEvil » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:40 am wrote:That's just silly. Everyone knows space is full of aether.

It's pretty impressive that people today can be more ignorant about our planet than the ancient Greeks.

Not everyone, some think there is a vacuum within and between atoms. Of course others call it by another name, quantum vacuum, dark energy and matter, spirit, zpe, a rose by any other name.......


I was joking about the aether, but looking up ZPE they actually call it a form of aether, so in a sense space is full of the stuff. Reality is always weirder than I thought. Next thing the LHC will announce the discovery of phlogiston.

I'm still flabbergasted at the flat-Earthers though. If the Greeks could figure it out then there's no excuse for people living in the present.
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:55 am

DrEvil » Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:04 pm wrote: If the Greeks could figure it out then there's no excuse for people living in the present.


Don't be so smug; I bet you still eat beans.

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Sun Nov 14, 2021 9:50 am

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The Measles Myth: Reviewing the Evidence
November 12, 2021 By NEWS WIRE 4 Comments
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GRAPH: The Measles Myth: one popular talking point is that the Measles vaccine has more or less eliminated Measles globally. However, real data shows that incidences began plummeting long before there was any mass-vaccination program for measles.

According the leading public health bodies like the World Health Organisation, the Measles virus is an ongoing deadly epidemic which kills more than 140 000 people globally per year, mostly among children under the age of five. It is also claimed that Measles were eliminated from the United States in 2000, but continue to be ‘reintroduced’ by international travelers into the country. In 2019 there were claimed to be a minuscule 1,241 cases spread across the United States.

Yet, despite all of these official claims, there seems to be very little scientific evidence that clearly shows Measles being an infectious agent in a host. Rather, it is just widely assumed to be the case.

Here’s what modern virology and public health mavens cannot seem to answer: what causes Measles?

We are told that it is a virus, but is there any evidence for this?

In this video, Dr Sam Bailey examines the evidence presented by Measles experts and the media, as well as the court case where Dr. Stefan Lanka offered €100k euros for proof of a Measles virus. Watch:
The Measles Myth
Video link: https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/themeaslesmyth:0
Dr. Sam Bailey
November 8th, 2021
What causes Measles? We are told that it is a virus, but is there any evidence for this?
We examine the 100k Euro court case that Dr. Stefan Lanka offered for proof of the virus.

Check out Sam’s website: https://drsambailey.com
Virus Mania Paperback:
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Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Virus-Mania-CO

References:
1. Projekt Immanuel: https://projekt-immanuel.de/en/projekt-immanuel/
2. Dr Stefan Lanka interview with Joan Shenton: https://odysee.com/@DeansDanes:1/Dr-Ste ... an-Shenton—2592021:6
3. Jerm Warfare video: https://odysee.com/@jermwarfare:2/tom-cowan:7
4. Ravensburg District Court ruling – Dr Lanka 2015: https://learninggnm.com/SBS/documents/L ... 4_2015.pdf
5. Dr Bardens papers:
(1) Propagation in tissue cultures of cytopathogenic agents from patients with measles, 1954: https://archive.org/details/Propagation ... 4/mode/2up
(2) Studies on measles virus in monkey kidney tissue cultures, 1958: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13508251/
(3) Electron microscopy of measles virus replication, 1969: https://journals.asm.org/doi/epdf/10.11 ... 7-197.1969
(4) The molecular length of measles virus RNA and the structural organization of measles nucleocapsids, 1984: https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/co ... -65-9-1535
(5) Structure, Transcription, and Replication of Measles Virus, 1995: https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.10 ... -78621-1_3
(6) Analysis of Morphology and Infectivity of Measles Virus Particles, 2007: https://www.osaka-med.ac.jp/deps/b-omc/ ... aikoku.pdf
6. A randomized, controlled trial of vitamin A in children with severe measles: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2194128/
7. Severe Measles, Vitamin A Deficiency, and the Roma Community in Europe: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3437709/
8. Dissolving Illusions (Measles charts): https://dissolvingillusions.com/graphs-images/
9. The Perth Group – The HIV-AIDS debate: http://www.theperthgroup.com/

READ MORE VACCINE NEWS AT: 21st Century Wire Vaccines Files

https://21stcenturywire.com/2021/11/12/ ... -evidence/
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Sun Nov 14, 2021 10:45 am

More from the interviews with Stephan Lanka posted at the top of pg. 9 of this thread -


Stefan Lanka: "Viruses are not microbes and have no infectious capacity"

DSalud Número 249 - April 2021 (I of III)

https://www.dsalud.com/reportaje/stefan-lanka-los-virus-no-son-microbios-y-no-tienen-capacidad-infectiva/

Excerpt:
...
Q - Those of us who have been following your evolution for years have been able to
see that yours has not exactly been an easy path and yet you have been moving
forward regardless of the difficulties, allowing yourself to be guided by the
coherence of your findings and assuming a role that is not only critical but also self-
critical, something that should govern all scientific research but unfortunately is not
the case today. Can you begin by explaining something about your training, your
experience, the work you have been doing and briefly comment on this evolution?


Lanka - There are many reasons that have led me to my current position but I will try to be as
concise as possible. What influenced me in the first place were my childhood
experiences. I was born and grew up on the shores of Lake Constance and now I live
there again. I was lucky enough to meet a man whose job it was to monitor the quality of
the water in the lake and who noticed how badly polluted it was. Well, one of the most
important rules that have guided me in life was given to me by him: "If you ask life the
right questions, you will get answers as long as you remain humble and show it respect".

He lived by that principle, always showed great respect for life and was a very dedicated
person. A great example for me. That's why I was shocked to see how he was savaged
by politics when he tried to publicise his investigations into the poor state of the water in
Lake Constance. That made me decide to study biology instead of chemistry.

It made me realise that the life of the planet was threatened. I understood that the lake
could still regenerate with the flow of the rivers that flow into it - like the Rhine - but that
this was more complicated in the case of the seas and oceans, which are the ones that
ultimately end up receiving all the pollution. The death of the seas and oceans would lead
humanity irreversibly to extinction, since 70% of the oxygen we need to live comes
precisely from there. In short, in the end I chose to study Marine Biology and that was the
beginning of a series of happy coincidences that led me to where I am today.

One of the first books that had a decisive influence on me was Das Feuer des Heraklit
(The Fire of Heraclitus: Sketches of a Life before Nature)
by Erwin Chargaff, who was the
first critic of genetic engineering. Years later I met him in person and learned a lot from
him; among other things that if something coincides with the mythology and philosophy
of the ancient pre-Socratic Greeks, although this is no guarantee that it is right, it is an
indication that it might be. I didn't understand it at the time, but today I know what he
meant. In short, he was a good teacher who gave me a lot of guidance and revealed to
me that if one goes into a subject critically, one will be rewarded with much more
knowledge.

Well, something important for understanding what is happening with virology and
medicine is the imposition of materialistic thinking in the scientific sphere. Chargaff
illustrates this well in his book Die Aussicht aus dem 13 (The view from the 13th floor). In it
he imagines having a conversation with a physicist who, he tells him, could prove that the
creatures of fables - nymphs, fairies, goblins... - do not exist, to which he replies: "You
cannot prove scientifically that something does not exist".
And he adds: "If you rob a child
of the power of imagination you will destroy the basis of humanity".
This is a true and
important statement and it is perfectly applicable to what we observe today.

The coronavirus crisis is the pinnacle of 2,500 years of restrictions on thought by
materialism, something that Plato already realised very precisely and criticised openly
when he said that Greek physicians did not understand the diseases they faced because
they excluded the soul from their analyses. According to him, they sought to repair the
affected organ without seeing that the origin of the disease came from the soul. Plato
describes two medicines: one for people who are not free - the slaves - in which the
doctors try to suppress the symptoms with medicines, and another for free people who
are treated by curing the soul
.

One day I met Fritz Pohl, an Austrian professor who told me that the official version of
HIV and AIDS did not "add up". He had heard that Robert Gallo, when he was competing
with Luc Montaigner to be recognised as the discoverer of HIV, had committed fraud and
lied about his work. At the time I was still a student who had had the opportunity to work
in a laboratory and using his findings on nucleic acid discovered a structure in a seaweed
that I mistakenly defined as "a harmless virus". In reality, as I will explain in detail later, this
structure was what is now called a "giant virus", which is really nothing more than a mini-
spore similar to bacterial phages, which are also phages. So what I isolated was actually
a "giant virus" but I classified it as a "harmless virus”.

Today we know that mini-spores arise when the subsistence conditions of certain simple
organisms - such as the bacteria or algae I worked with - become unsustainable. And in
my case there were some prerequisites. I had great references, orientation, motivation
and concern for the oceans and in the field of marine biology I thought I had discovered a
"harmless virus" but, at the same time, my Austrian mentor was telling me about the
inconsistencies about HIV and AIDS. It was then I developed the ability to combine
different areas of knowledge to deepen my understanding of very different topics. In fact I
also always turn to history because it is important to understand where concepts and
ways of thinking come from.

The most important event took place in 2000, when I met Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer.
Between 1995 and 2000 I regularly visited Barcelona to give talks and lectures and it was
there that we met in person. Up to that point I had heard and read about his discoveries,
but as a person I found him somewhat disturbing and his theories, which I knew very little
about, seemed to me too simplistic and mechanical. However, when I contacted him in
2000, faced with a case of cancer, he immediately invited me to talk to him and that is
when he explained to me the truth about viruses. And from that moment on it was clear to
me, without a doubt, that he was right. Hamer was the first to erase fear from biology and
medicine. Thanks to that scientific support I had an answer to many of the doubts I had
about science. For many years I was able to say "No, there is no such thing as a
pathogenic virus. It is wrong. Immunology is wrong. Genetics has been disproved"
..... But
I didn't know what disease was. For 5 years I couldn't answer the question "What is
disease? And when I met Hamer I finally found the answer.

Q - You were in fact known to your colleagues for publishing the discovery and
isolation of the Ectocarpues Siliculosus Virus in the 1990s, although you did not
come to public attention until you denied that HIV had been isolated. You
subsequently said the same about other viruses - such as hepatitis and measles -
and the controversy grew. And in recent years you have published a series of
articles that go much further, no longer denying one or the other isolation but
completely dismantling what is understood by viruses. Do you really postulate that
there are no pathogenic viruses that cause or generate diseases?


Lanka - The answer is clear: yes. But the road to that clear answer was arduous. It all started
with HIV at the time when AIDS was on everyone's lips and I stood up and said, "No,
there is no virus here"
. But I couldn't say what was making people sick. Sure, I could talk
about mass drug poisonings and things like that but a lot of symptoms were unexplained.
It was a complicated time but I gradually realised that - as had happened with HIV -
isolating a viral structure misinterpreted the death of the cell tissue in the test tube as
evidence of the presence of a pathogenic virus in it and then built up the chain of viral
genetic material. I have seen this approach in other viruses. My most important teacher in
this field has been the Perth (Australia) researcher Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos. She
and her team formed the so-called Perth Group and said: "Look, we have read all the
publications - it is impossible for one person to do that - and in our opinion there is no
evidence of a virus anywhere".
Their group specialised in the HIV virus and nothing else;
they say one virus is enough for a lifetime.

It became clear to me that if I only criticised the postulate of a single virus and did not
mention the rest, I was reinforcing the virus theory. And if I did not challenge the
conceptual framework from which that theory springs, I was reinforcing it. At the end of
the day, everything stems from the theory of cellular pathology according to which we are
born from a cell, there are only material interactions and it is a "poison" - a word that
means "virus" in Latin, by the way - that makes us sick. That is the scenario since
Virchow coined this theory in 1858 although he was only "a child of his time”.

You have to go back 2,500 years, to the time of Plato as I said before. His colleagues
Democritus and Epicurus are the ones who established the current Theory of Life, the
theory of Atomism and the theory of Evolution. With some reason they said: "We want a
theory without spirit, without gods, without consciousness because religions always wield
fear before gods. Therefore, we envisage a purely materialistic theory of life that does not
arise from belief".
What they could never have imagined is that this same theory would
eventually become a religion, the cruelest religion of all time.

If I think that I am in this world only by chance and when I die there will be nothing left of
me and everything is governed by chance, the result is obvious: greed. To be successful,
to enjoy what I can, to have no consideration whatsoever. If my life is meaningless and
nothing of me will be left, then I will fear death. The result is what we are witnessing today.
Because the coronavirus crisis is the accumulation point of 2500 years of materialism that
arose, among other reasons, because the ancient Greeks did not understand the
Ayurvedic texts as they were written in Sanskrit. By erasing the soul from their system,
they developed the "theory of the four humours" or "humoral theory" on which everything
else has been built.

In short, if one looks at what virologists do, one concludes that no, there is no such thing
as a virus. Knowing the history we understand that it is in fact a wrong model and that the
correct one was censored. Later I will discuss in detail the 7 points that virologists make
to support their conclusions and how at each point they refute themselves. Dr. Hamer's
system of knowledge in itself refutes Virology as a whole. Once I understood his theory,
the veracity of which anyone can check with themselves, I knew that it was impossible for
a virus to assault my body. Do viruses exist? No. Simply because they cannot exist. You
look at what virologists publish and you realise that they refute themselves. They act in an
unscientific way because they never carry out control tests of their experiments, which is
the minimum necessary to be able to affirm that something is scientific or not...

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:13 am

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REVIEW: “A Quest for Wisdom – Inspiring Purpose on the Path of Life”

Edward Curtin
Nov 14, 2021


This is a fascinating and beautiful book, one of those gems you serendipitously discover and shake your head at your good fortune. Although it is new and I received it as a gift, it reminds me of a few books I have discovered over the years while rummaging through used bookstores that have startled me into a new perspective on life.

Ironically, these books have advised me, whether explicitly or implicitly, to be done with books, because what I was seeking cannot be found in them, for it floats on the wind. But this paradox is their secret. Such discoveries are memorable, and this is a memorable book in so many ways.

Despite having read more books than I wish to remember, I had never heard of David Lorimer until being informed by a friend. A Scottish writer, poet, editor, and lecturer of great accomplishments, he is the editor of The Paradigm Explorer and was the Director of the Scientific and Medical Network from 1986-2000 where he is now Program Director. He has written or edited over a dozen books.

He is one of a dying breed: a true intellectual with a soul, for his writing covers the waterfront, by which I mean the vast ocean of philosophy, science, theology, literature, psychology, spirituality, politics, etc. A Quest for Wisdom [isbn.nu] is precisely what its name implies.

It is a compendium of wide-ranging essays written over the past forty years in pursuit of the meaning of life and the sagacity to realize one never arrives at wisdom since it is a process, not a product. Like living.

His opening essay on Victor Frankl, the Austrian psychiatrist who survived Auschwitz and wrote so pofoundly about it in Man’s Search for Meaning, [isbn.nu] sets the stage for all the essays that follow.

For Frankl’s life and work, and the stories he tells about it, are about experiential, not theoretical, discoveries in the world where one finds oneself – even Auschwitz – where he learned that Nietzsche’s words were true:

He who has a why to live can bear almost any how.” He discovered that along life’s path – between life and death, happiness and suffering, peaks and valleys, yesterday and tomorrow, etc. – is where we always find ourselves by responding to the questions life asks us. He tells us, “Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.”


We are always in-between, and it is our attitude and conduct that allows us to freely will the meaning of our lives, no matter what. Frankl came to call this search for meaning logotherapy, or meaning therapy, by which an individual is always free to choose one’s stance or course of action, and it is by such choosing that the greatness of life can be measured and meaning confirmed in any single moment, even retrospectively.

He maintains that modern people are disorientated and living in “an existential vacuum,” pursuing happiness when it cannot be pursued since it is a derivative, a side effect, and “it is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness.” Happiness falls out of our pockets when we aren’t looking. Additionally, as Lorimer writes about Frankl, “He rejects psychoanalytical determinism…and the actualization of the self through any form of gratification.”

So does Lorimer, for he is an in-between man (as we all are if only we realized it), whether he is writing about Frankl, the absurd and the mysterious, the Tao, science and spirituality, the brain and the mind, near-death experiences (“near” being the key word), Albert Schweitzer, Dag Hammarskjöld, freedom and determinism, ethics and politics, etc.

Whatever subject he touches, he illuminates, leaving the reader to interrogate oneself. I find such questions in every essay in this book, and the path to answer them snaking through its pages.

I was especially touched by his 2008 essay, which was originally a memorial lecture, about his friend the Irish writer and philosopher John Moriarty, who died in 2007. Moriarty’s work was rooted in the wild land of western Ireland, a place whose rugged beauty has sprouted many a passionate artist and visionary who have drunk deep of the mythical spiritual connections of Irish culture and natural beauty.

He was a brilliant thinker and storyteller – that mysterious quality that seems so Irish – who left an academic career to seek deeper truths in nature. Influenced by D. H. Lawrence, Wordsworth, Yeats, Boehme, Melville, and Nietzsche, among other visionary seeking artists, he discovered a Blakean sense of reality that counteracted the deification of Reason and emphasized the need to recover our souls through sympathetic knowing that involved an embrace of intuition that went beyond cognition.

Lorimer writes:

Or, as John would put it, we have fallen out of our story and need to find a new one. Not only a new story, but also a new way of seeing and being, of relating as a part to the whole, as individuals to society, as cells to the body…To be is to have the potential to become something else, a potential which we don’t always fulfill, in spite of life’s invitations and initiations…We too easily retreat into fear, we batten down the hatches in the name of security, which is a mere shadow of peace.


Lorimer is clearly not anti-science, since for thirty-five years he has been deeply involved with the Scientific and Medical Network. But he has long realized the limitations of science and all the essays touch on this theme in one way or another. Wisdom is his goal, not knowledge.

He mentions Iain McGilchrist’s work in this regard – The Master and his Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World – wherein McGilchrist argues for a reemphasis on the master right hemisphere “with its creative and holistic mode of perception,” rather than the left hemisphere with its logical, scientific mode of perception.

“Two voyages,” says Lorimer, “two modes of perception, which should coexist in a state of mutual respect. The rational and the intuitive are complementary rather than mutually exclusive.” Nevertheless, in his pursuit of wisdom, Lorimer, despite his nod to this mutuality, has discovered that the recovery of soul and meaning can only be found beyond cognition and Kantian categories.

His essay on “Tao and the Path towards Integration,” drawing on Carl Jung and Herman Hesse, et al., is a lucid exploration of what Jung calls “the vocation to personality.” This is the call life puts to everyone but many refuse to hear or answer: “Become who you are,” in Nietzsche’s enigmatic words, advice that is as much a question as a declaration. Lorimer writes:

Those who have not been confronted with this question will often consider those who have as peculiar, adding that there is no such thing as a vocation to personality, and their sense of being isolated and different is a form of spiritual arrogance; they should concern themselves with the really important things in life, viz ‘getting on’, and leading an inconspicuously normal existence.


These restless-busyness people are caught on the treadmill of getting and spending, and in their alienation from their true selves must disdain those who seek wholeness by grasping life’s polarities and paradoxes. Stillness in movement, being in becoming. Paradox: from Latin para = contrary to, and doxa = opinion. Contrary to common belief or expectation.

In “Cultivating a Sense of Beauty,” Lorimer uses his etymological understanding – which is so important for deep thinking and which he uses liberally throughout the book – to explain “the beauty of holiness, and the correspondence between beauty and truth.”

He is not some bliss-ninny who is in the interior soul decoration business devoid of political consciousness and care. Far from it. He understands the connection between real beauty in its deepest sense and its connection to love for all existence and the responsibility that this confers on everyone to resist war and all forms of political oppression.

What Camus tried to do: To serve beauty and suffering

“The English word ‘beauty’, like the French ‘beauté, is derived from the Latin ‘beare’ meaning to bless or gladden, and the ‘beatus’, blessed are the happy.” Appropriately, Lorimer quotes Wordsworth from “Intimations of Immortality.”

Thanks to the human heart by which we live,
Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, its fears,
To me the meanest flower that grows can give
Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears.


Whether he is writing about Albert Schweitzer, Swedenborg, Voltaire, Dag Hammarskjöld, Peter Deunov (a Bulgarian mystic I first learned about here), he weaves their thought and witness into his overarching theme of the search for wisdom. Wisdom not in the navel-gazing sense but in the larger sense as wisdom for creating a world of truth, peace, and justice.

In the middle of the book’s three sections, called “Consciousness, Death, and Transformation,” he offers various intriguing pieces that explore near death experiences and the philosophical, experiential, and scientific arguments for their reality. In this rejection of the materialist conception of mind, brain, and consciousness, he relies on thinkers such as William James and Henri Bergson, but especially the Swedish scientist, philosopher, theologian, and mystic Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) who had many psychic and spiritual experiences that have been both accepted as inspired and rejected as hokum.

Lorimer reminds us that Swedenborg was not some nutcase but was a brilliant and accomplished thinker. “It’s not well known that Swedenborg wrote a 700-page book on the brain, in which he was the first to suggest complementary roles for the two hemispheres.” Likewise, Lorimer’s work with The Scientific and Medical Network and the Galileo Commission over the decades roots his writing on this topic in the work of many prominent neuroscientists and is far from New Age gibberish. It is serious work that demands serious attention. He accurately writes:

The problem of death will not disappear if we ignore it. Sooner or later we must come to terms with our own nature and destiny.What is the nature of man, of death, and what are the nature of the implications of death for the way in which we live our lives? The first two questions amount to asking about the nature of consciousness.


In the third and final section – “Taking Responsibility: Ethics and Society” – Lorimer, drawing often on Albert Schweitzer who has deeply influenced him, applies the natural consequences of the soulful wisdom he embraces in the first two sections.

In the face of endless wars, poverty, ecological degradation, and the threat of nuclear war, etc., he writes:

Those who have the interests of humanity at heart cannot simply stand back in helplessness and despair: they must act themselves and arouse those around them to similar action or else abdicate their humanity by not shouldering their responsibility.”


This can be accomplished through a commitment to truth, love, peaceableness, kindness, and non-violent action, first at the individual level but crucially then when a sufficient number of people can be organized for this effort.

This in turn demands a spiritual commitment and an initial step of faith or confidence, which the person who wishes to devote him- and herself to humanity cannot not afford to make.”


His essay on Dag Hammarskjöld, the former Secretary-General of the United Nations, who was a key ally of President John F. Kennedy in their work for peace and decolonialization and who, like JFK, was assassinated by CIA organized forces, is a perfect example of such faith and commitment in a true public servant.

Hammarskjöld was a deeply spiritual man, a mystical political man of action, and Lorimer, drawing on Hammarskjöld’s own writing, shows how he embodied all the qualities found in one who was truly wise: self-effacement, stillness in action, detachment, humility, forgiveness, and courage in the face of the unknown. He quotes Hammarskjöld:

Now, when I have overcome my fears – of others, of myself, of the underlying darkness – at the frontier of the unheard-of: Here ends the known. But, from a source beyond it, something fills my being with its possibilities.


I am reminded of JFK’s love of Abraham Lincoln’s prayer, which Kennedy lived by in the dark times before his assassination, which he anticipated: “I know there is a God – and I see a storm coming. If he has a place for me, I believe that I am ready.”

The last essay in this illuminating and inspiring book – “Towards a Culture of Love-an Ethic of Interconnectedness” – was written in 2007, and all of them go back many decades, but in case a reader of this review may wonder where Lorimer stands today, he has added an afterword with a postscript in which he writes briefly about today’s assault on heresy, dissidence, and those who have been falsely called “conspiracy theorists” in the CIA’s weaponized term. I mention that to make clear that A Quest for Wisdom is not an encouragement to navel-gazing and some sort of pseudo-spirituality. It is a call to a spiritual awakening in today’s fight against radical evil. He makes clear that the conspiracy theorist label is being unjustly used against those who question the JFK assassination, the 9/11 Commission Report, Covid-19, etc.

He says we are being subjected to a major information war and extensive censorship of non-mainstream views.” He sums it up this way:

Over the past few months we have witnessed a new episode of Inquisition and the implicit creation of an online Index of Prohibited Material. There has been a steep rise in censorship by social media companies of views at variance with mainstream narratives: dissident content is summarily removed. Heretical and subversive views are not tolerated, open debate is stifled in favor of officially sanctioned orthodoxy, whistle-blowers are abused and demonized. Manipulated by fear and on a flimsy pretext of security, we are in danger of abjectly surrendering the very freedom of thought and expression that our ancestors fought so courageously to secure in the eighteenth century and which constitutes the essence of our Enlightenment legacy…


These are the words of a wise man and the author of a wonderful book.
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Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.

comments from off-guardian

comments from Edward Curtin's website.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/14/rev ... h-of-life/

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edited to add:

David Lorimer - A Quest for Wisdom: Spiritual Biography

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u2BbhIGR48
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• Apr 8, 2021 •
Join TNS Host Michael Lerner in a spiritual biography conversation with writer, speaker, and editor David Lorimer. David’s recent book, A Quest for Wisdom: Inspiring Purpose on the Path of Life was published in 2020 by Aeon Books.
David Lorimer is a writer, lecturer, poet and editor. Having pressed the “eject” button from a career in banking at the age of 24, David embarked on a quest for wisdom and deeper understanding of life. Since then, he has devoted himself to education in the broadest sense, including work for the Scientific & Medical Network and Character Scotland. In 2020 he was awarded a Lifetime Achievement Award as a Visionary Leader by the Visioneers International Network and in 2021, the Aboca Human Ecology Prize. Find more information about David's work at https://www.davidlorimer.co.uk.


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One of the comments from off-guardian:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/11/14/rev ... ent-450965

Joerg
Nov 14, 2021
11:02 AM

KLAUS SCHWAB (WEF) ARRESTED!


*https://fnewshub.com/2021/11/13/klaus-schwab-arrested-reason/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=klaus-schwab-arrested-reason

*https://www.conservativebeaver.com/2021/11/12/klaus-schwab-arrested-at-his-home-in-switzerland/

*https://boersenwolf.blogspot.com/2021/11/knallertag-wenns-stimmt-klaus-schwab.html


Wonder if it's true... (?)
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:15 pm

Freedom Talk 5 - Andy, Tom, Stefan, Dean

Video Link >> https://odysee.com/@DeansDanes:1/Freedom-Talk-5:b

Dean's Danes
December 4th, 2021

Freedom Talk 5

6:33 - The antibody fairy tale
23:00 - AIDS
48:38 - The fear factor
1:05:45- current projects & outlooks - [Tom's bit at the end is worth a quick listen to, if nothing else. (1:09 ish)]



p.s. Lanka goes on about putting a needle in the covid balloon, again - 1:01:49, then again at - 1:05:20. I'm having a meme made...
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Postby Harvey » Sun Dec 05, 2021 3:31 pm

A genuinely interesting conversation, thanks.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:05 pm

SSRIs, Vaccines, and "Gold Standard Random Control Trials"

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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:30 am

stickdog99 » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:05 pm wrote:SSRIs, Vaccines, and "Gold Standard Random Control Trials"



From the comment section below the video:
Jack Gordon
Where can we find the text of this talk? I know it's important and I want not to miss anything because of the drop offs.

David Healy
check out the written version on DH.
https://davidhealy.org/where-does-the-m ... come-from/


Dr. David Healy

Where Does the Misinformation Come From?
December, 8, 2021 | 9 Comments

This key post in the Politics of Care series stems from an invite from Norman Fenton to give a lecture on December 6 to a group interested in the evidence swirling around vaccines. It is accompanied by The Handmaid’s Vaccine on RxISK, which gives a video of the talk, whose text and slides are below. The sound effects in the video are slightly mixed at one or two point and you might need the text to clarify the points made.

This talk is for all who are interested in evidence and how we generate it as well as for a group of people who are pro-vaccine, to the point of being volunteers in clinical trials, but who have ended up being harmed by them. They are the ones doing the science and demonstrating what science means – as I’ll explain – but their work is written off as misinformation...

continues - https://davidhealy.org/where-does-the-m ... come-from/
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Thoughts Are Things

Postby conniption » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:26 am

Back to Lanka -

When asked, along with the other panelists at Freedom Talk 1 , "What is your Light? What do you read? Who inspires you? What gets you going?" (and I thought, Uh oh...here we go...) Stephan Lanka held up a book (at 1:05:09 min.) by Prentice Mulford titled Unserer Seele Kraft - translation "Our Soul Strength".

Prentice Mulford also wrote a book titled Thoughts Are Things, first published in 1908.

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Prentice Mulford was one of the leaders of the New Thought Movement. Thoughts are Things will help you to use the power of your thoughts to improve your life and to bring yourself the peace of mind you've always wished for. Learn how to think in a way that will help you succeed and make you happier in every aspect of your life!


One of the reviews I liked at GoodReads -
Thoughts Are Things
by Prentice Mulford


Elyse Walters's review
Feb 19, 2019

it was amazing

Have you ever thought about some of your BEST $1.00 purchases. 99 cents to be exact?
My dollar spent and 2.5 hours of my time reading this book....was a valuable purchase.

I already shared my thoughts with a friend this morning - even debated about writing a review.... but let me give it a try.
I felt energized from reading “Thoughts Are Things”.
It was a great antidote (reading about our material mind vs. the Spiritual mind), ......
after recently reading about a man’s mind that was suicidal, in “Halibut on the Moon”, by David Vann.

I told my friend Sharon, ( thank you Sharon), this morning how this recharged my inner strength and power. It’s not that I have ‘never’ heard some of the concepts in the book....but by being presently engaged with these enlightened ways of being, and thinking, I felt myself RISE UP... [I bet you want to say, “you go girl”]....haha!

I became clear - I DON’T want to spend the remainder of my life feeling as if age - old age - sickness - and slumpy-negative-moods are inevitable. It’s just NO FUN!

I was reminded AGAIN....about the power of our words- and the difference we CAN make to experience the gifts of life. My muscles instantly felt stronger and my chubby fatty spots on my body melted away. [ I know everyone would read this book if their fatty spots instantly melted away]..... :basicsmile

DON’T MIND ME....I’m in a goofy mood. ITS THIS BOOKS FAULT!

Getting serous now....(ha)...
The book talked our our two selves. Our lower self can only live and exist as men and women have lived and existed before us. The higher self craves freedom from the limitations, pain and disabilities of the body.
Much more is said about our lower and higher selves.....and as we follow along - it’s as though our ( WHATEVER MIND WE ARE LISTENING WITH), is really getting it....
It all sounds abstract, yet at the same time we understand, are getting it. We are like a magnet to THIS INVISIBLE SOMETHING - WE JUST KNOW! It’s EMPOWERING.

The author talked about the material mind and how it judges entirely from a material or physical standpoint.
The physical mind sees the body as an instrument for the mind or real self to use in dealing with material things.
The material mind becomes sad when we think about our body decaying.
“The spiritual mind attaches little importance to decay.... knowing in such decay that spirit or the moving force of all things is simply taking the dead body or the rotten tree to pieces, and that it will build them up again as before temporarily into some other new physical form of life and beauty”.

The author has a lot to say about raising children - ways they come into the world with their own ‘self’. He talks about older-parents who are supported by their adult children. He says that if the adult child is merely giving from a sense of duty, the parents have their spirits wounded and starved because they ‘feel’ they are endured encumbrances. Unless real love goes with the gift or service - everyone is suffering.
“Genuine heartfelt love is literally life giving”.

Prentice Mulford....(first book I’ve read by him), offers valuable powerful motivating advice (for lack of a better word).....to contemplate. This is not a ‘foo-foo-touchy-feely’...book. Very sound insightful wisdom.

Mulford has A LOT to say about all the important things in life.......a child’s mind, sickness, uncompromising opposition, our thoughts and how to manage them, thinking negatively, blame, aging, happiness, the protesting mind, suffering, success, worries, hindering thoughts, moderation, eating moderately because great pleasure comes from moderation, gentleness, kindness, loss, grief, death, healing, and love....
AND MORE!

Mulford says, “we need to be careful of what we think and talk. Because thoughts runs in currents as real as those of air and water. Of what we think and talk we attract to us a current of thought. This acts on your mind or body for good and ill”.

He also talks about our relationship to nature.
“Trees are always giving out an element of life as necessary to man as the air he breaths.
”Communion with nature is something far above a sentiment. It is a literal joining with the Infinite Being. The element received in such joining and acting on mind and body, is as real as anything we see or feel”. LOTS MORE ABOUT HOW CRUCIAL NATURE IS TO OUR WELLNESS!

This small book is PACKED FILLED WITH VALUE ...
A READER COULD HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING ON EVERY PAGE
THIS WOULD MAKE AN INTERESTING BOOK CLUB DISCUSSION. It would bring out personal conversations of everyone’s life journey.

I think most us us DO KNOW when we are being self damaging - too critical of thyself or another. We also DO KNOW when we CHOOSE TO RISE OURSELVES HIGHER....but I’m not so sure we are confident in re-directing negative thoughts easily.

HECK....I COULD write pages on this book. It was written in 1908. A man ahead of his time.
Buy your own copy if interested. It’s a quiet gift for YOURSELVES. ....
Nobody calls you ‘Dear Sugar’....as Cheryl Strayed did so lovingly in “Tiny Beautiful Things”....but if you liked that book - ( I loved it) - then there is a great chance you’ll like this too.

I FEEL KINDA POWERFUL TODAY. I’m also satisfied with daily accomplishments ......(exercise, diet, work chores done, inner voice is happy....even time for an hour soak with my Audiobook companion..

This book contributed to my well being!!!!!!!


Wishing wellness and joy to all my friends - and to those who aren’t!


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One more thing. A link to the book -
http://prenticemulfordthoughtsarethings ... Things.pdf
Thoughts Are Things
By Prentice Mulford
Version 5/29/2010

This book is a free book brought to you by Christopher
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby conniption » Wed Dec 15, 2021 4:34 pm

This was good to see. Didn't realize Andy Kaufman had it in him.

Dr. Andrew Kaufman is asking the right Questions

Video link Odysee - https://odysee.com/@hipsterious:3/Dr.-A ... uestions:5
(23:45 min.)

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You can spot controlled opposition by the fact that they will never question the foundation of vaccines, the germ-theory. They will never question virology. they will never ask for the isolated virus. they will always seek to maintain the lie of disease causing viruses and germs. Dr. Andrew Kaufman is asking the right Questions instead, questions that we all should ask...
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Re: The Limits of Science

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:42 am

conniption » 15 Nov 2021 00:45 wrote:The most important event took place in 2000, when I met Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer.



The guy who reckons modern medicine is a Jewish plot again st Western European Civilisation?


Ectocarpues Siliculosus Virus


Its a plant not a virus.

BTW - some of what Hamer talks about makes sense.

The relationship between the brain and bodily health is complicated.

Bioflora are vital. Your body is like a planet colonised with bacteria and other microbes. Their health and your health are intertwined. Unhealthy bacteria are associated with unhealthy people.

Chemotherapy is deadly and morphine can be, to cite two of his examples. Chemo is based on the principle that you are stronger than the cancer in you so you'll survive the trauma and the cancer won't. morphine for pain can cause terrible addiction problems that are made worse by prohibition or modern capitalist medicine like youse do in the US.

Essentially alot of what he says is bullshit semantics, but he is also denying some things work when they obviously do.
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