On mRNA/Gene Therapy

[Karmamatterz]

And before the usual suspects go into hysterics, no, I'm not saying there are no adverse effects, just that the VAERS numbers aren't accurate.

Are any numbers trustworthy? So much is being manipulated in so many ways. I find it hilarious that the medical "establishment" wants us to believe all the white coats, but they themselves can't even decide on how to count the people they are responsible for killing. Whether through negligence or accident, the healthcare business has had a behind the scenes debate for several years about how many people really die at their own hands. Yet they want us to believe them when they provide bogus data that is derived from PCR (polymerase chain reaction) "tests?"

Since the Evil one mentioned the impact of the vaccine on people and how the numbers are not accurate, I want to share a tidbit about a friend. He is in his late 50s and slightly obese, was a heavy smoker but quit about 8 years ago. Two days after his second jab from the vaccine (Not sure which, but it was not J&J obviously, he dropped to the floor with a heart attack. He came close to death. What's interesting is that he is a newspaper editor of extreme liberal standing and has fully gulped, and served gallons of the Kool Aid to push for all the "pro corona lockdowns, masks and implementation of more fascism. He used his role as an editor to really shame and publicly ridicule those who wouldn't fall in line and OBEY. So he ends up with a heart attack and other weird symptoms right after the jab.

To Mr. Evil's general position, it is difficult to attribute the vaccine to this guy's heart attack. But since the game is being played loosely and people with gunshots and car accidents are listed as Covid deaths I don't see why we can't just play along loosely with the facts. Right, I mean the FACTS don't really matter with this entire sham. It's all about the story and falling for the narratives. I'm sure Hand Aaron's death had nothing whatsoever related to him getting the vaccine, almost certainly had to have been a coincidence he dropped dead soon after.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Plausible deniability. They will always have plausible deniability as a means to dispel unpleasant truths. Even as the narrative begins to crack and crumble, they will maintain their plausible deniability.

[DrEvil]

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Plausible deniability. They will always have plausible deniability as a means to dispel unpleasant truths. Even as the narrative begins to crack and crumble, they will maintain their plausible deniability.

This is just more evasive bullshit from you.

It's got nothing to do with plausible deniability and everything to do with you presenting the VAERS numbers as fact when they're not. That's it. I never said the vaccines didn't have adverse effects or caused death, only that the VAERS database specifically isn't an accurate overview of those numbers.

There might be something to it, or it could just be noise. Who knows?! Have you compared the numbers to earlier years or checked other sources, or did you just see a scary number and run to your keyboard to share this disturbing fact with everyone else?

Don't take datasets out of context and use them for things they're not meant for. Simple!

[JackRiddler]

But since the game is being played loosely and people with gunshots and car accidents are listed as Covid deaths I don't see why we can't just play along loosely with the facts.

Because it's wrong.

Because your credibility and effectiveness against the designated authority requires rigor and factuality and integrity.

Because it's a 100-percent losing strategy. It doesn't work from your position, or mine.

This is not a comment on the case of the fellow as you present it but simply on this one statement.

Above all: because it's wrong. Wrong when others do it, wrong when we do it.

Exception: Satire. Including as a means for getting at greater truths.

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[Karmamatterz]

Because it's wrong.

But it is okay for the media, medical business, NGOs, WHO, St. Fauci and others to do so?

I'm still playing catchup on this thread, but have you condemned all the above mentions liars for their false statements and misleading information?

Has RI become a strong support of facts regarding this biggest scam of all time? Not hoax, it is a scam.

Just curious Jack.

I'm really more about the facts. I just read what appeared to be a fairly scientific report about the effectiveness of masks. I'm not going to link to it, why bother when the vast majority if people are absolutely not interested in facts, they are sold hook, line and sinker on the STORY. The piles of bodies! The infections! The hospitals at full capacity. Grandma and grandpa DEAD because little Suzie and Johnny INFECTED them and KILLED them! Oh the list of "stories" goes on endlessly and the goalposts moving forward without anyone in the "mainstream" or with authority questioning it.

I respect your statement that is is wrong. You are entirely correct. I do however, stand by my observations that the stories are more important in selling this in order for the brainwashing to be complete. The "facts" are just noise. The playas behind the scenes who manage the narrative have won, in dramatic fashion. To the detriment of our health, well being and liberties they have won. Along with that they helped usher in some of the most draconian fascism in the West since the Nazis. All the while the gulping of the Kool Aid continues and the Cult of the Bio-Security State grows and grows.

[Karmamatterz]

Don't take datasets out of context and use them for things they're not meant for. Simple!

Preach!

If this had been standard practice for the past year then we wouldn't be watching and feeling the squeeze from Big Brother over at the Cult of the Bio-Security State.
IF the media and medical mafia had followed your suggestion then this thread would be about as popular as discussions are of the Swine Flu fear porn pandering of the mid-1970s. Nobody would care except a few. There wouldn't be a 24/7 deluge of panic and fear porn drowning us in misinformantion and doublespeak.

Evil, have you preached this to the masses? Mentioned it to the media?

[JackRiddler]

Because it's wrong.

But it is okay for the media, medical business, NGOs, WHO, St. Fauci and others to do so?

Are you seriously asking me? No.

I'm still playing catchup on this thread, but have you condemned all the above mentions liars for their false statements and misleading information?

Some of them, but what a question. Do I have to check off everyone on your list to qualify? Are you feeling condemned by what I wrote? Why?

Has RI become a strong support of facts regarding this biggest scam of all time? Not hoax, it is a scam.

There is no "RI" line on this. Read around and see what people have written.

The playas behind the scenes who manage the narrative have won, in dramatic fashion.

We'll see about that.

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[dada]

"There wouldn't be a 24/7 deluge of panic and fear porn drowning us in misinformantion and doublespeak."

This is so silly. You basically just described American society for the last, what, seventy years, maybe more?

[dada]

I'd say the narrative is not managed, but manages. The romantic "playas" are slaves to the narrative. They need it, but it certainly doesn't need them. One cog breaks, another takes its place.

[Laodicean]

[Belligerent Savant]

Don't take datasets out of context and use them for things they're not meant for. Simple!

Preach!

If this had been standard practice for the past year then we wouldn't be watching and feeling the squeeze from Big Brother over at the Cult of the Bio-Security State.
IF the media and medical mafia had followed your suggestion then this thread would be about as popular as discussions are of the Swine Flu fear porn pandering of the mid-1970s. Nobody would care except a few. There wouldn't be a 24/7 deluge of panic and fear porn drowning us in misinformantion and doublespeak.

Evil, have you preached this to the masses? Mentioned it to the media?

Indeed. It's fascinating, if not so tragic. The cognitive dissonance on display would be viewed as satire in any other setting (much of what we've observed since 2020 reads as bad satire, actually. Unfortunately, it's all too real, the extent humans can be taken in so readily by manipulations).

"Don't take datasets out of context"! Typed by the person that has been taking datasets out of context [or rather, dutifully absorbing out-of-context, misleading and dubious datasets] since the onset of this latest affront to humanity. It'd be a euphemism to call this ironic.

'Evasive' is an apt term for some of the key figures you apparently are trusting with your health (though I'd opt for harsher descriptors, myself).

Attempt to frame the jab side-effects however you prefer, DEvil. Whatever helps keep your mind at ease. Even taking into the account the potential that in a number of instances the side-effects were due to other factors (of course, the converse applies as well: it may be that vaccine side-effects are being UNDER-reported, rather than over-reported), these shots should raise alarm bells in any sound mind.

Lining up for EUA experimental shots still in trial, with zero data on long-term side-effects -- and demonstrable near-term side effects -- for a virus with an over 99% survival rate/IFR of ~0.2%. All while markedly safer and NON-experimental (but suppressed) effective treatments can be provided to those with more severe symptoms. Keep in mind the literature of these shots only claim to potentially lessen symptoms.


https://off-guardian.org/2021/02/22/syn ... -analysis/
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"There wouldn't be a 24/7 deluge of panic and fear porn drowning us in misinformantion and doublespeak."

This is so silly. You basically just described American society for the last, what, seventy years, maybe more?

Sure. But it's grossly disingenuous to suggest panic/fearporn prior to 2020 can be compared to, or is on par with, the cranked-up level of hysterics we've endured the last ~14 months. Clearly, our current madness is distinct.
There have been ebbs and flows over time, but this may be the most egregious onslaught of blatant propaganda/fear-mongering at this scale and duration.

[dada]

No, I don't think so. Looks pretty much the same to me.

But that's just what I think. I had this dream last night, that I was on the wrong planet. Took me a while to realize it. Now I'm awake, I still have the feeling, but the situation is reversed

[Belligerent Savant]

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Perhaps if I was flying solo I'd read it along similar lines. But with school-aged children (and a 'career' that previously included visits to an office setting) it's been a markedly distinct experience, unfortunately.

If only this was a situation where we're on the wrong planet. Imagine the relief. "Oh, I'm sorry: through a random confluence of focused solar flares, you somehow ended up on a similar, but wholly separate planet from Earth; as you can see, lunacy reigns here. Please, follow me to this chamber, where you'll be zipped right back to your proper world environs and the more reassuring pre-2020 subjugation"

In the meantime:

As of 5 April, 37 million doses of experimental gene-based vaccines have been injected into the UK public. This has resulted in 176,439 reports of 626,087 adverse reactions, including 847 deaths shortly after injection. That's an overall adverse reaction rate of 0.48% per dose.

Adverse reactions to AstraZeneca's vaccine include: 3,681 blood disorders (3 fatal); 4,867 cardiac disorder (64 fatal); 3,856 ear disorders; 6,375 eye disorders; 51,326 gastrointestinal disorders (7 fatal); 167,736 general disorders (221 fatal);

1,495 immune system disorders (1 fatal); 9,794 infections (53 fatal); 3,305 injuries (1 fatal); 5,891 metabolic disorders (3 fatal); 61,025 muscle and tissue disorders; 116 neoplasms (2 fatal); 105,996 disorders of the nervous system (76 fatal); 66 pregnancy conditions;

9,124 psychiatric disorders (1 fatal); 1,396 renal and urinary disorders (1 fatal); 1,465 reproductive and breast disorders; 14,344 respiratory disorders (55 fatal); 28,397 skin disorders (1 fatal); and 5,153 vascular disorders (29 fatal).

From taking the DNA-vector AstraZeneca vaccine, therefore, there have been a total of 492,105 adverse reactions, including 521 deaths, in 129,673 people from 21.6 million injections. That's 1 or more -- with an average of 3.8 -- adverse reactions in 0.6% of those being tested.

Adverse reactions to Pfizer's vaccine include: 4,210 blood disorders (1 fatal); 1,675 cardiac disorder (46 fatal); 1,374 ear disorders; 2,034 eye disorders; 14,140 gastrointestinal disorders (15 fatal); 38,968 general disorders (130 fatal);

723 immune system disorders (1 fatal); 3,070 infections (57 fatal); 847 injuries (2 fatal); 821 metabolic disorders (1 fatal); 17,756 muscle and tissue disorders; 60 neoplasms (1 fatal); 24,917 disorders of the nervous system (23 fatal); 63 pregnancy conditions (3 fatal);

2,115 psychiatric disorders; 340 renal and urinary disorders (2 fatal); 768 reproductive and breast disorders; 5,537 respiratory disorders (26 fatal); 9,622 skin disorders (1 fatal); and 1,724 vascular disorders (4 fatal).

From taking the mRNA-based Pfizer vaccine, therefore, there have been a total of 132,528 adverse reactions, including 314 deaths, in 46,309 people, resulting from 15.4 million injections. That's 1 or more (with an average of 2.9) adverse reactions in 0.3% of those being tested.

All these figures are from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, which together with the Department of Health and Social Care, Public Health England and the NHS, has denied any causal connection between the vaccines and the 847 deaths.

However, these are only the reported adverse reactions, and only of the short-term effects. For the unknown long-term effects of these vaccines, read this chapter from the forthcoming book by Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology.https://www.goldegg-verlag.com/goldegg- ... eprobe.pdf

Moreover: although an agency of the DHSC, the MHRA is entirely funded by the pharmaceutical industry it regulates, which includes AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna, and which in 2013 was paying UK health professionals £40 million/year to promote their drugs.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... TqjiXqBxwo

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/138 ... 30209?s=20

[dada]

I don't know, the idea of someone directing me to the transfer chamber doesn't appeal to me, or bring me any sense of imagined relief. I'd stay far away from that chamber.

I'm thinking of it more like the three-penny opera. Being on the wrong planet isn't a mistake, it's simply the human condition.

[dada]

I mean, for me, the feeling of certainty of placement that comes from saying "it's 2021" is brought on by self-hypnosis. As well any other sense of placement in historical timelines, whether six billion years of universal history, give or take, or history from a solid, cooled planetary formation, or homo-whateverus history, or five thousand year histories like Chinese or Jewish, or the timeline beginning at the Christian zero, or fourteen hundred years or so, or in some eternal present. So having the sense, the feeling of placement on a historical timeline is itself a way for me to judge whether or not I have successfully hypnotized myself.