On mRNA/Gene Therapy

[Karmamatterz]

Some of them, but what a question. Do I have to check off everyone on your list to qualify? Are you feeling condemned by what I wrote? Why?

No, not feeling condemned at all.

The playas behind the scenes who manage the narrative have won, in dramatic fashion.


We'll see about that.

Keep waiting, but IMO they have been wildly successful with the biggest scam of all time in modern history.

[Karmamatterz]

"There wouldn't be a 24/7 deluge of panic and fear porn drowning us in misinformantion and doublespeak."

This is so silly. You basically just described American society for the last, what, seventy years, maybe more?

Let's just set the starting point in the 1920s when Edward Bernays came into play and made a profound impact on propaganda. He is IMO opinion the "godfather" of propaganda. He did write THE book on it.

Dada, maybe you are more isolated or living in a very rural area and don't interact with very many people. If so, I can see what you mean. For many millions this is a very different situation.

Mandatory mask wearing in many buildings and public transportation.
Serious pleas to wear a mask in other places. Most people with the exceptions of some states here in America masks are required to simply go grocery shopping.
Massive conformity to wear masks even when they do little to no good.
Children kept out of schools when they aren't getting sick.
Curfews enforced like we live in Nazi Germany.
Mandatory vaccinations for some even with a 99% survival rate.
Incredible screeching, shaming and hysterics over vaccinations even though there is a 99% survival rate.
The demand for a "great reset" to the economy which doesn't have jack shit to do with a "virus."
Businesses shut down and many closed.
Millions put out of work.
Millions facing new mental health issues due to isolation.
Millions gaining weight due to lack of exercise and being told to stay inside.
The medical establishment barking orders to take a vaccine and not use simple, effective, safe and extremely inexpensive treatments like Ivermectin, zinc, vitamins c, d.
The medical establishment avoiding at all costs to suggest people get sunshine, fresh air and exercise.
Many people unable to be with their elderly parents, grandparents or other family members who are trapped in isolation at nursing homes.
Many people unable to be with their elderly parents, grandparents or other family members when they are dying and literally taking their last breaths. I personally believe this is criminal and the decision makers need to be imprisoned for this travesty against humanity.
Selective and incredibly screwball directives on what is or isn't a necessary business that stays open like the big box stores, but not small shops.
Public demonstrations banned or limited to idiotic restrictions.
Churches closed but marijuana dispensaries open (fyi, I like pot)
Schools closed but liquor stores open (fyi, I like booze)
Doctors shamed with threats of losing their licenses, and banned from many public media outlets because they dared to question any specific parts of the scam.

I could add more, but this really ought to get the point across that we were, and still are being fu*ked big time.

Happy to read your comparison to when all of this has happened in the past 70-80 years due to a "virus" that has a 99% survival rate.

[dada]

Yes, but you're communicating here with someone who thinks that the biggest scam of all time is modern history. And thus it has always been.

So it seems to me that the argument being put forward on this thread is that these injections are like a reverse Russian roulette, say a hundred ninety-nine empty chambers, and one bullet. Negative side-effects, mental and physical, are the bullet. Not catching the bullet is a matter of luck. But I Ihink this argument rests on a conception of a universe governed by luck, which I am not at all convinced is the case, here. Not that everything is random, chance, or happens for a reason. I think things are much more complicated than that, and maybe also much simpler.

[Karmamatterz]

I think we're having the cliche apples to oranges come to fruition. I agree with modern history, and really old history being a scam. It's just right now these are real things happening. Being forced to wearing the stupid masks which do little to no good is a real, physical thing. Also agree that things happen for a reason and luck has little to do with it. Randomness is an interesting thing, but so is how we're all connected in this existence.

[DrEvil]

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Perhaps if I was flying solo I'd read it along similar lines. But with school-aged children (and a 'career' that previously included visits to an office setting) it's been a markedly distinct experience, unfortunately.

If only this was a situation where we're on the wrong planet. Imagine the relief. "Oh, I'm sorry: through a random confluence of focused solar flares, you somehow ended up on a similar, but wholly separate planet from Earth; as you can see, lunacy reigns here. Please, follow me to this chamber, where you'll be zipped right back to your proper world environs and the more reassuring pre-2020 subjugation"

In the meantime:

As of 5 April, 37 million doses of experimental gene-based vaccines have been injected into the UK public. This has resulted in 176,439 reports of 626,087 adverse reactions, including 847 deaths shortly after injection. That's an overall adverse reaction rate of 0.48% per dose.

Adverse reactions to AstraZeneca's vaccine include: 3,681 blood disorders (3 fatal); 4,867 cardiac disorder (64 fatal); 3,856 ear disorders; 6,375 eye disorders; 51,326 gastrointestinal disorders (7 fatal); 167,736 general disorders (221 fatal);

1,495 immune system disorders (1 fatal); 9,794 infections (53 fatal); 3,305 injuries (1 fatal); 5,891 metabolic disorders (3 fatal); 61,025 muscle and tissue disorders; 116 neoplasms (2 fatal); 105,996 disorders of the nervous system (76 fatal); 66 pregnancy conditions;

9,124 psychiatric disorders (1 fatal); 1,396 renal and urinary disorders (1 fatal); 1,465 reproductive and breast disorders; 14,344 respiratory disorders (55 fatal); 28,397 skin disorders (1 fatal); and 5,153 vascular disorders (29 fatal).

From taking the DNA-vector AstraZeneca vaccine, therefore, there have been a total of 492,105 adverse reactions, including 521 deaths, in 129,673 people from 21.6 million injections. That's 1 or more -- with an average of 3.8 -- adverse reactions in 0.6% of those being tested.

Adverse reactions to Pfizer's vaccine include: 4,210 blood disorders (1 fatal); 1,675 cardiac disorder (46 fatal); 1,374 ear disorders; 2,034 eye disorders; 14,140 gastrointestinal disorders (15 fatal); 38,968 general disorders (130 fatal);

723 immune system disorders (1 fatal); 3,070 infections (57 fatal); 847 injuries (2 fatal); 821 metabolic disorders (1 fatal); 17,756 muscle and tissue disorders; 60 neoplasms (1 fatal); 24,917 disorders of the nervous system (23 fatal); 63 pregnancy conditions (3 fatal);

2,115 psychiatric disorders; 340 renal and urinary disorders (2 fatal); 768 reproductive and breast disorders; 5,537 respiratory disorders (26 fatal); 9,622 skin disorders (1 fatal); and 1,724 vascular disorders (4 fatal).

From taking the mRNA-based Pfizer vaccine, therefore, there have been a total of 132,528 adverse reactions, including 314 deaths, in 46,309 people, resulting from 15.4 million injections. That's 1 or more (with an average of 2.9) adverse reactions in 0.3% of those being tested.

All these figures are from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, which together with the Department of Health and Social Care, Public Health England and the NHS, has denied any causal connection between the vaccines and the 847 deaths.

However, these are only the reported adverse reactions, and only of the short-term effects. For the unknown long-term effects of these vaccines, read this chapter from the forthcoming book by Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology.https://www.goldegg-verlag.com/goldegg- ... eprobe.pdf

Moreover: although an agency of the DHSC, the MHRA is entirely funded by the pharmaceutical industry it regulates, which includes AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna, and which in 2013 was paying UK health professionals £40 million/year to promote their drugs.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... TqjiXqBxwo

https://twitter.com/9thfloor/status/138 ... 30209?s=20

Again, context. Those numbers come from the Yellow Card reporting system in the UK, which works about the same way as VAERS, which means what's reported is anything that might be caused by the vaccines. 1000 reported adverse reactions doesn't mean 1000 adverse reactions.

[dada]

Responding to the post two posts above.

I'm not looking at it dialectically, though. There aren't two viewpoints of equal weight to be synthesized here for me.

Let's say I'm looking at it hermeneutically. To insist that the hermeneutic and the dialectic are two viewpoints in a dialectic, is in essence building another dialectic. But my viewpoint is still a hermeneutic, I'm insisting the dialectical split is also to be read hermeneutically. From this perspective, dialectic thinking itself is static, it doesn't enter into a dialectic with the hermeneutic way of thinking.

[Karmamatterz]

All these figures are from the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, which together with the Department of Health and Social Care, Public Health England and the NHS, has denied any causal connection between the vaccines and the 847 deaths.

Because it's science, is that why they are deniers?

Or because that program and department is in the pocket of companies which will go to great lengths to ensure their profit, and narrative that all vaccines are safe?

It's wildly incredible that anyone would believe one word of what they say.

1000 reported adverse reactions doesn't mean 1000 adverse reactions.

Would the same context apply to the 500k or so alleged deaths in the U.S. that have been attributed to Covid, even though many of them might not have even been infected, but simply had traces of Sars-Cov-2 in their body?
The words "cases" and "infection" have been used by both health care professionals and the media with both using the words incorrectly in multiple instances.

Then there is the PCR "tests" that are entirely bogus.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/25/who ... stic-test/
From the WHO:
"Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information."

Yet the numbers keep going up with cases and infections while this PCR test is used. The narrative doesn't change, they can't change it now. Facts and data don't matter to the medical mafia, media, government officials or schills paid off by pharma. Nobody is going to go back and correct the data, why would they? Death certificates in the U.S. allow for much latitude to include Covid as a reason for death, even if the cause of death is entirely something other than this "virus."

[dada]

Also, I'm saying that modern history is a very old history. A way of looking at things that has been around like, forever. The myth of the modern is the biggest scam of all time because it has been around for so long, not because it is the latest and greatest.

[Karmamatterz]

Dada, I wish there was a prize for who could name the biggest scam. I would grant you the winner.

In the meantime, we're still forced to wear these pathetic masks that don't do squat, except for to make the fearful feel empowered to bitch and scream at those that aren't wearing them.

What the masks do is cover smiles. They cover the beauty of faces.

The masks are a muzzle. The masks are a symbol of evil, hate and darkness.

[dada]

And yet we're all wearing masks so much of the time!

Just to clarify the hermeneutic approach, I guess I should mention that just because it has the 'herm' in it, doesn't mean it is a mystification. Hermeneutics as a method for the study of the real, is the peeling back of phenomenological layers, each layer in turn leading back to the next. It allows for no dialectical antithesis.

[dada]

So the mask-wearers complain about those who aren't wearing them, and those who aren't complain about those who are. Not everyone who wears or doesnt' wear a mask has a beef with the other gang, though, the 'battle of the masks' is happening in the cultural vacuum of a particular insulated social environment.

[Karmamatterz]

I've made clear to all friends and family that I don't care if someone else wants to wear a mask OR get a vaccine. Now if everyone stopped with this virtue signaling and judgy crap about those that don't wear mask, and there were no mask mandates then a lot of tension would disappear. I don't just mean government mandates, but businesses that require them as well.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Agreed. Cross-posted your comment to the Covid main thread.

Coming back to mRNA:

https://www.goldegg-verlag.com/goldegg- ... eprobe.pdf

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Until now, most of the public has accepted and supported the development of vaccines without doubt and hesitation. And rightly so, since vaccinations can save lives. But no vaccination will ever be perfect and free of side effects. Useful vaccines must meet two important requirements: 1. the vaccine must offer protection against a serious or even life-threatening disease; 2. its side effects must be within tolerable and acceptable limits. On balance, the benefit must be much greater than the risk. Sounds logical, doesn’t it?

And it is true. Who would get vaccinated against a common cold if this meant taking an incalculable risk of severe side effects? Furthermore, not every vaccination has to be useful for every person. Living in Germany, we do not need a vaccination against yellow fever, since it does not occur here.

We already know that COVID-19 puts a clearly defined group of people at risk – namely, those over 70 with serious preexisting conditions. For these people, vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 might possibly make sense. Of course, before such vaccinations could begin, the vaccine‘s efficacy and potential dangers would need to be examined very carefully. However, the clinical studies conducted thus far have excluded precisely this group of patients, so that efficacy and risks remained unknown before the roll-out of the vaccine.
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Is the mRNA vaccine dangerous?

"No" is the answer that is spread everywhere.

This is because 1) the vaccine introduces into our body only the information for a small part of the virus, for the so-called spike protein, which means that there is no intact virus that could propagate, and 2) the vaccine only imitates what Nature, too, would do. Intact viruses also release their genetic material into our cells when they attack, turning our cells into virus factories. So, no problem there at all, right?

Far from it.

A natural respiratory infection typically affects only the respiratory tract itself. If, at worst, cell death occurs, the damage is local and can be repaired relatively easily.

With a vaccine, however, the viral genetic information is injected into the muscle. Many believe that the packaged viral genes remain at the site of injection – that is, within in the muscle. The genes would be taken up by cells at the site, which is where most “virus factories” would be created. Side effects such as swelling, redness and pain at the injection site would be expected because of this, but they would remain relatively harmless and go away after a few days.

What a fatal mistake!

The virus genes in the Moderna and Biontech/Pfi-zer vaccines are packaged in so-called nanoparticles – which can be thought of as tiny packages, not made of paper, but of fat-like substances. This protects the contents and makes it easier for them to be absorbed by the cells of our body. The packaging itself causes a risk of severe allergic reactions that is many times higher than with conventional vaccines (20). It is thus not without reason that people with allergies are now being warned not to get vaccinated – life-threatening reactions (anaphylactic shock) could be triggered.

In fact, such dangerous side effects did occur in some vaccination volunteers, who required emergency treatment. In addition, nanoparticles can have numerous other harmful effects because they can interfere with the function of our blood cells and clotting system (21).

But it gets infinitely worse. It is part of basic medical knowledge that all soluble substances injected into muscle tissue enter the bloodstream and are distributed throughout the body within a very short time. This is precisely why substances that are supposed to act immediately are injected into the muscles. It is known that the injected gene packets also enter the bloodstream (22). Which cell types will take them up, process them, and then produce the virus protein? The answer to this is not known with certainty. We are now witnessing large-scale experiments on humans. This is absolutely irresponsible, especially since there was reason for caution from the beginning. The potential dangers from the “packaging” were already known. More significantly, however, alarming antibody-dependent enhancement – in this case, the antibodies do not prevent uptake of the virus into cells, but rather enhance it – has been observed in animal studies on SARS and other coronaviruses (23, 24).

In the decades-long, yet futile effort to develop vaccines against SARS or MERS, this enhancement effect was repeatedly observed, as one among problem among many others (25). With this in mind, should not animal studies have been conducted to clearly rule out this effect for SARS-CoV-2? Physicians who do not alert those willing to be vaccinated to the risk that vaccination could make the disease worse, not better, are in violation of their duty to inform (26). And more seriously, could the inoculation of viral genes trigger other novel immune-related enhancement effects? Shouldn’t such very elementary things have been considered and tested beforehand? As a reminder, lymphocytes have a long-term memory – they remember what the «molecular garbage« looks like that is produced in Coronavirus infections. And corona garbage looks pretty much the same no matter which member of the virus family it is derived from. All humans have had training rounds with coronaviruses, and thus they have lymphocytes that will recognize SARS-CoV-2 garbage. People without in-depth knowledge might counter that these cross-reactive killer lymphocytes were detected in only 40–70% of old blood samples, and they reacted only weakly against SARS-CoV-2 (27, 28). However, it is known that only a small proportion of all lymphocytes are in the blood at any given time. The others are just taking a break and resting in the lymphoid organs (including the lymph nodes).

Here, we note an exciting finding: In April 2020, Swedish researchers reported that they had discovered something truly remarkable. Activated and combat-ready T lymphocytes were found in the blood of all people (100%) infected with SARS-CoV-2, regardless of the severity of the disease (29). This finding is a clear, unmistakable warning. For context: during an initial confrontation of the immune system with a virus, the lymphocyte response will be sluggish. Rapid, strong reactions such as that documented by the Swedish team reveal that forewarned troops are already at the ready and can be mobilized on short notice. They will swarm out of the lymphoid organs to fight the enemy. Their main task: ex-termination of the virus factories – death to the body’s own cells that produce the virus particles. And now back to the new reality: the large-scale experiment on humans. The injected gene packets are taken up locally in muscle cells, but a large part reaches first the local lymph nodes and, after passing through these, the bloodstream. The lymph nodes are where the immune cell team resides. When the viral gene is taken up by any cell there, production of the spike protein gets underway. The corona killer lymphocyte next door wakes up and springs into action – the brotherly battle begins! Lymph node swelling. Pain. The lymphocytes psyche each other up and then emerge from the lymph nodes to seek out more enemies. Yes – over there – the muscle cells! There they are!!! Attack!!! At the injection site redness, swelling, bad pain. But now the nightmare. This is because the substances with small molecules – for example, blood sugar – can easily seep out of the blood into the tissue, whereas large molecules such as proteins cannot. For them, the vessel walls are tight thanks to the lining with a cell layer – the endothelial cells.

What are the gene packages like – large or small? Right – compared to blood sugar, they certainly are large. Therefore, once they enter the bloodstream, they will remain in the closed network of vascular tubes just like the blood cells. A small part of them is taken up by white blood cells. Presumably, however, most of the virus factories will be established in the endothelial cells, that is, in the innermost cell layer of the blood vessels themselves. This would happen mainly where the blood flows slowly – within the smallest and smallest vessels – because the gene packages can be taken up particularly efficiently by the cells there (30). The endothelial cells then produce the viral spike protein and place the waste at the door – on the side that faces the bloodstream, where killer lymphocytes are on patrol. This time, the fight is one-sided. The endothelial cells have no defense. What happens then can only be guessed at. Injury to the vascular lining usually leads to the formation of blood clots. This would likely happen in countless vessels in countless places in the body. If it happens in the placenta, severe damage to the child in the womb could result.Shudder. Is there evidence that something like this is taking place? Yes, there is talk of rare blood disorders in which a possible link to vaccination would have to be investigated (31). Strikingly, there are reports of patients in whom a sharp drop in blood platelets (thrombocytes) was observed. This would fit the hypothesis put forward here, because platelets are activated and used up at the sites of blood clot formation.

Could you check if the assumption is correct? Yes. Laboratory findings provide immediate information on whether blood clotting is underway. Autopsies could clarify whether clots have formed in the small vessels. And in the meantime, consideration could be given to whether anticoagulants should be administered to patients as a preventive measure. The administration of cortisone preparations to dampen lymphocyte activity might also be worth considering. There currently is a continuous stream of reports on deaths happening worldwide in close temporal connection with the vaccination. Officially it is said, of course, that the vaccination has nothing to do with these deaths. It is almost all older people with numerous preexisting conditions, who would have soon departed this world anyway. If that should be actually so, probably no thinking and sympathetic humans can fathom why these poor people still had to be inoculated with a poorly characterized vaccine such a short time before their natural deaths.What could cause death in a frail person hours or days after vaccination? Several effects are conceivable:

1. stress from the vaccination itself; allergic reactions.
2. autoimmune attack. Lymphocytes are also ope-rational in old age. In elderly people with preexisting disease, the attack on the virus factories could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
3. It becomes somewhat more complicated when a simultaneous infection with the SARS-CoV-2 also comes into play. In several nursing homes, there have apparently been COVID-19 outbreaks just in the days after residents were vaccinated. Funny, funny – up until that point, there had been hardly any cases in the en-tire area, and all hygiene measures had been followed.

There were outbreaks even after the second injection of the vaccine (32,33), a clear and expected indication that vaccination does not protect against infection.I think here one must distinguish between patients with an without preexisting latent infections – it is conceivable (though unlikely) that those without infection are protected, whereas those with the infection are killed. What is more, it seems that particularly the vaccinated are dying. Is this perhaps the immune-related exacerbation of diseases we have reason to fear? Not caused by antibodies, but by activated killer lymphocytes? And couldn’t this happen at any time to anyone vaccinated – tomorrow, the next day, next week, next fall? Because lymphocytes have an elephant’s memory. And they recognize something that looks similar in all coronaviruses: the molecular garbage that is produced by the virus-infected cells. That is, the lymphocyte-induced exacerbation of disease progression could arguably occur with any infection with a related virus. In any “successfully” vaccinated person – young or old – and at any time in the near or distant future.


Conclusion

Gene-based vaccines received emergency approval at lightning speed to combat a virus that is no more dangerous than influenza (34). There is now clear evidence that people can become severely ill and die from these vaccinations. No real-world benefit of vaccination has ever been shown. Until reliable and convincing data are available, this high-risk human experiment must not be allowed to continue.

[Belligerent Savant]

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From Israel:

The Israeli People Committee (IPC), a civilian body made of leading Israeli health experts, has published its April report into the Pfizer vaccine’s side effects.* The findings are catastrophic on every possible level.

Their verdict is that “there has never been a vaccine that has harmed as many people.” The report is long and detailed. I will outline just some of the most devastating findings presented in the report.

“We received 288 death reports in proximity to vaccination (90% up to 10 days after the vaccination), 64% of those were men.” Yet the report states, “according to data provided by the Ministry of Health, only 45 deaths in Israel were vaccine related.” If the numbers above are sincere then Israel, which claimed to conduct a world experiment, failed to genuinely report on its experiment’s results. We often hear about blood clots caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine. For instance, we learned this morning about 300 cases of blood clots in of Europe. However, if the IPC’s findings are genuine, then in Israel alone the Pfizer vaccine may be associated with more deaths than AstraZeneca’s in the whole of Europe.

“According to Central Bureau of Statistics data during January-February 2021, at the peak of the Israeli mass vaccination campaign, there was a 22% increase in overall mortality in Israel compared with the previous year. In fact, January-February 2021 have been the deadliest months in the last decade, with the highest overall mortality rates compared to corresponding months in the last 10 years.”

The IPC finds that “amongst the 20-29 age group the increase in overall mortality has been most dramatic. In this age group, we detect an increase of 32% in overall mortality in comparison with previous year.”

“Statistical analysis of information from the Central Bureau of Statistics, combined with information from the Ministry of Health, leads to the conclusion that the mortality rate amongst the vaccinated is estimated at about 1: 5000 (1: 13000 at ages 20-49, 1: 6000 at ages 50-69, 1: 1600 at ages 70+). According to this estimate, it is possible to estimate the number of deaths in Israel in proximity of the vaccine, as of today, at about 1000-1100 people.”

Again, if this statistical analysis is correct then the numbers reported by the Israeli health authorities are misleading by more than 22-fold.

Those who follow my writing are aware of my work on the undeniable correlation between vaccination, Covid-19 cases, deaths and the spread of mutant strains. The IPC confirms my observation, providing more crucial information regarding age groups. “There is a high correlation between the number of people vaccinated per day and the number of deaths per day, in the range of up to 10 days, in all age groups. Ages 20-49 - a range of 9 days from the date of vaccination to mortality, ages 50-69 - 5 days from the date of vaccination to mortality, ages 70 and up - 3 days from the date of vaccination to mortality.”

The IPC also reveals that the “the risk of mortality after the second vaccine is higher than the risk of mortality after the first vaccine.”

But death isn’t the only risk to do with vaccination. The IPC reveals that “as of the date of publication of the report, 2066 reports of side effects have accumulated in the Civil Investigation Committee and the data continue to come in. These reports indicate damage to almost every system in the human body.…Our analysis found a relatively high rate of heart-related injuries, 26% of all cardiac events occurred in young people up to the age of 40, with the most common diagnosis in these cases being Myositis or Pericarditis. Also, a high rate of massive vaginal bleeding, neurological damage, and damage to the skeletal and skin systems has been observed. It should be noted that a significant number of reports of side effects are related, directly or indirectly, to Hypercoagulability (infarction), Myocardial infarction, stroke, miscarriages, impaired blood flow to the limbs, pulmonary embolism.”

In Israel, the government is desperate to vaccinate children. The IPC stresses that such a move can be disastrous. “In light of the extent and severity of side effects, we would like to express the committee's position that vaccinating children may also lead to side effects in them, as observed in adults, including the death of completely healthy children. Since the coronavirus does not endanger children at all, the committee believes that the Israeli government's intention to vaccinate the children endangers their lives, health and their future development.”

The IPC stresses that “there has never been a vaccine that has affected so many people! The American VARES system presents 2204 mortality reports of vaccinated people in the United States in the first quarter of 2021, a figure that reflects an increase of thousands of percent from the annual average, which stood at 108 reports per year.”

I should mention that there has been very little coverage of the IPC’s work in the Israeli press. Those health experts are engaged in brave work, knowing that their license to work in the medical profession and livelihoods are at severe risk.

https://gilad.online/writings/2021/4/21 ... ccinations

[dada]

I'm thinking about the m in mRNA. The m stands for messenger. The general idea is that the messenger delivers a message. But MacLuhan says medium is message, and then there is the common proverbial refrain 'don't shoot the messenger.' The situation is reversed here, the message delivers the messenger.

But if medium is message, where is the messenger that is delivered, then? If the messenger isn't the message, then it can't be the medium, since medium and message are the same thing. The messenger is not found in the media/messages.

So the media does not carry the message, but is the message, and carries the messenger. But where is the messenger carried from, and to? There must be something conceived other than media/messages, for there to be a messenger.

It's very mysterious, the case of the missing messenger. Nowhere to be found in any media. Maybe looking at the dilemma differently can lead us to a break in the case. Angelologically, we say the angelic messenger itself is the message, both the subject and place of theophany. In this conception, the media/message and the messenger are one and the same. The media/message is a being. The question becomes, is this messenger a living being, or is it a dead object? If the messenger is alive, the media/message is alive. So the missing messenger is found when the medium/message is alive. If the medium/message is conceived as an object and not a being, the messenger is dead, and the case is cold. But if the messenger is a being, then the medium itself is a living medium, a break in the case.