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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:05 pm

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The thread title is a cheeky homage to a legendary exchange that once occurred here in RI.


Quietus will be here soon enough -- though it may not be needed if current campaigns continue unabated.

https://scifiinterfaces.com/2017/02/10/quietus/

In the meantime, you can step into this stylish pod..

3D-printed suicide pods are now legal in Switzerland

A 3D-printed capsule is set to “revolutionize” assisted suicide. It may be legally operated in Switzerland. This is according to an expert opinion obtained by Exit International – the organization that developed the “Sarco” machine – and was first reported by Swiss Info.

In 2020, around 1300 people died in Switzerland through euthanasia. They were cared for by the two largest euthanasia organizations in the country: Exit (no connection to Exit International) and Dignitas. The current common method is the ingestion of liquid sodium pentobarbital. After taking the drug, the person falls asleep within two to five minutes before slipping into a deep coma and dying soon after.

The “Sarco” capsule

The capsule called “Sarco” offers a different approach to a peaceful death, without the need for prescription substances.

It is a 3D printed capsule that can be activated from inside by the person who wants to die. The machine can be taken to any place to die. This can be in an idyllic outdoor setting or, for example, in the rooms of an euthanasia organization.

Philip Nitschke, Founder of the Australian registered company Exit International


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The capsule is mounted on a device that floods the interior with nitrogen and very quickly reduces the oxygen content from 21 to one percent.

The person feels a little disoriented and may also feel slightly euphoric before losing consciousness. The whole process takes about 30 seconds. Death occurs from hypoxia and hypocapnia, a lack of oxygen and carbon dioxide, respectively. “There is no panic, no feeling of suffocation,” Nitschke added.

https://www.disclose.tv/3d-printed-suic ... itzerland/
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:54 pm

seems like a good investment opportunity with the way things are going.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Harvey » Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:21 am

Cue a remake of Logan's Run...
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:49 pm

If I end up in one of those, it was was John McAfee's idea, not mine.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby drstrangelove » Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:09 pm

they'll start spontaneously popping up in public places. They'll be some confusion at first, as people ponder them as they would a Banksy. but eventually they could just become a permanent fixture, like a privately owned public toilet. governments just kind of shrug. the courts just kind of shrug. I mean do we really believe in these things anymore?

The companies who own these booths would then get rights to the bodies, and be able to harvest the organs. Growth in this market would require a strong marketing campaign to convince people their life isn't worth living, something already strongly invoked by the industrial system itself. But more effective than this would be creating suicide trends through the power of mimesis and news media. A kind of death fashion. Publicise the personality and life of people who use the suicide booth, thus giving their life more meaning and recognition through the act of ending it. You know, like school shootings or subway suicides.

All The Sorrows of Young Werther.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby conniption » Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:15 am

Way to go.

Now I come here and feel like killing myself.

See how well that works?

Was that your intention?
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:13 pm

Certainly not, conniption, but I hear its inventor was bragging his new invention was going to make a killing on the market.
But I might have misheard the rumor. He might have said he was going to market killing.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Harvey » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:49 am

Iamwhomiam » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:13 pm wrote:He might have said he was going to market killing.


It's a crowded marketplace.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:19 pm

While this is definitely a growth market, there is currently a high concentration ratio among just a few dominant firms.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby lucky » Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:35 am

..Remember Futurama episode where old phone boxes are converted to suicide machines> predictive programming?
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Harvey » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:31 pm

lucky » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:35 pm wrote:..Remember Futurama episode where old phone boxes are converted to suicide machines> predictive programming?


If you could rummage up a link or the episode name and number, I'd be sorely grateful.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby lucky » Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:42 pm

There's holes in the sky where rain gets in
the holes are small
that's why rain is thin.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Harvey » Thu Dec 16, 2021 3:14 pm

lucky » Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:42 pm wrote:https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Suicide_Booth
BST I can do mate.


That was enough. Cheers.
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Harvey » Wed Dec 22, 2021 1:47 pm

Told you, remake of Logan's Run anounced, from the producer of The Martian: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0402344/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_1
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Re: Kill Yourself

Postby Harvey » Tue May 23, 2023 2:16 am

Link Via Jeff: on Twitter: https://mindmatters.ai/2023/05/harm-red ... euphemism/

“Harm Reduction” is Euthanasia’s New Euphemism
Bioethics is growing increasingly monstrous. And that matters.

Wesley J. Smith, May 21, 2023

Once killing the sufferer becomes a societally acceptable means for ending suffering, there is no end to the “suffering” that justifies human termination. We can see this phenomenon most vividly in Canada, because it is happening there more quickly than in most cultures. For example, a recent poll found that 27 percent of Canadians polled strongly or moderately agree that euthanasia is acceptable for suffering caused by “poverty” and 28 percent strongly or moderately agree that killing by doctors is acceptable for suffering caused by homelessness.

I can’t imagine that being true ten years ago before euthanasia became legal. Euthanasia mutates a society’s soul.
Killing as “Harm Reduction”

This kind of abandonment thinking finds enthusiastic, albeit not unanimous, expression among secular bioethicists. In fact, two Canadian bioethicists just published a paper in the Journal of Medical Ethics — a prestigious British Medical Journal publication — arguing that “unjust social conditions” justify lethal jabs (euphemistically called MAiD, for “medical assistance in dying”). The argument claims that killing is a form of “harm reduction.”

The authors even admit such cases have already occurred legally in Canada. From “Choosing Death in Unjust Conditions: Hope, Autonomy, and Harm Reduction” (my emphasis):

In 2022, an individual in Canada, who had been diagnosed with multiple chemical sensitivities (MCS), received MAiD. However, by their own description, their decision to choose MAiD was driven primarily by the fact that they were unable to access affordable housing compatible with MCS. While it was true that they suffered from an illness, disease or disability that caused ‘enduring physical or psychological suffering that is intolerable to them and cannot be relieved under conditions that they consider acceptable’ as specified under the eligibility criteria of Bill C-14 [that recently expanded eligibility beyond death being “reasonably foreseeable”], the primary source of their suffering was an inability to find appropriate housing, not the condition itself. Another person, also with MCS, writes: “I’ve applied for MAiD essentially because of abject poverty.’


Good grief. The patient in question is dead — not because of their medical but housing conditions. And doctors used the physical issues as a pretext for justifying the killing as within the law!

The authors approve of allowing euthanasia for reasons of social injustice as a means of “harm reduction.” And in the context of medical issues, the authors claim that this includes killing patients who would not want to die if they could access proper treatment:

In the case of the availability of MAiD in Canada to people who not only might but have explicitly said they would choose differently if they had access to the options they preferred, we argue that the least harmful way forward is to allow MAiD to be available.


Health Care in Crisis

This, even though Canada’s socialized health-care system is in crisis:

Access to healthcare across nearly all dimensions continues to deteriorate in the wake of the pandemic even outside of long-term and palliative care, from basic care, to surgical backlogs, to a general consensus that the system is in a state of collapse. In this context, refusing options to people who autonomously pursue MAiD amounts to perpetuating their suffering, hoping that this will ultimately lead to a better, more ‘just’ world. This is a world that currently does not exist and is unlikely to emerge in the near future. Even if it did, it is unfortunately even more unlikely that the people whose current suffering has led them to request MAiD will realise its benefits.


So, socialized medicine fails, and a splendid answer to the problem for patients in need is euthanasia. Do you see now why I call euthanasia/assisted suicide “abandonment”?

The authors conclude:

We disagree with any claim that the unjust lack of choices available to people is alone sufficient to undermine their autonomy. Those who launch legal proceedings or request and receive MAiD are unlikely examples of people whose reduced opportunities have led them to lose all hope and motivation for pursuing personally meaningful courses of action. Moreover, neither a reduction of opportunities in itself, nor the existence of oppressive ableist norms, is sufficient to directly undermine autonomy…Restricting an autonomous choice to pursue MAiD due to the injustice of current non-ideal circumstances causes more harm than allowing the choice to pursue MAiD, even though that choice is deeply tragic.


Ethics Made Monstrous

Bioethics is growing increasingly monstrous. And that matters because these are the so-called “experts” who exert tremendous influence on our laws and regulations, in court rulings, over the attitudes of journalists, among the purveyors of popular culture, and, ultimately, upon public attitudes.

Moreover, Canada is our closest cultural cousin. If such a crass death-embracing attitude developed there so quickly with the legalization of euthanasia, it will happen here too — and, indeed, almost all state laws allowing doctor-prescribed death have already expanded their guidelines. Which is why, if we want to follow the truly compassionate course, it is a matter of great urgency that we reject all further legalization of assisted suicide in the United States.
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