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"Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:38 pm
by MacCruiskeen
Seriously, when did this alleged "mass formation psychosis" start, exactly?

Was it sanity and reason that motivated certain people to extract rents and many millions more to pay those rents, routinely, for countless generations?

Was it sanity and reason that made countless human beings spend most of their waking hours labouring for lords, on farms or down mines or in workshops and factories and offices?

Is it sanity and reason that have persuaded billions in the 21st century to spend most of their day glued to glowing screens?

Did sanity and reason prevail before COUPVID-19?

Is it conceivable that a ruling class and its army of dutiful clerks and minions might be making a rational (though not necessarily correct) calculation about where their short and long-term interests probably lie?

You might persuade me that all those Guardian columnists and readers have gone nuts when you show me them ranting at the traffic and sleeping on the street. Until then, I'll presume that their alleged "psychosis" is serving their perceived interests jolly well, thank you, at least for the time being.

Meanwhile, most other people are (not irrationally) frightened of the consequences of standing up to unprecedentedly powerful bullies who have lied to them successfully all their lives and who can now easily make them unemployed, homeless, imprisoned or dead if they risk getting uppity. Best not even think about it.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:10 pm
by Harvey
Whatever you care to call it, mass psychosis is real enough. I haven't just seen it happen in realtime, I've done it. I'd just call it human nature but others would call it what it really is, human culture.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:34 pm
by MacCruiskeen
How To "Form" A "Psychosis":

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Without stormtroopers to enforce it, there would be be no "pandemic", no "mass formation", and certainly no "mass psychosis". There is not the slightest doubt of this. You can check it out easily by visiting (just for example) almost any country in Africa.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:11 pm
by Belligerent Savant
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Not only the stormtroopers, the complicit media (and big tech social media to condition and manage sentiment), govt and bureaucrat talking heads. All work together to cultivate mass formation.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:49 pm
by MacCruiskeen
All that, yes. The fear was real, at the beginning, and deliberately induced by governments and media. Who could know for sure that their rulers werern't telling them the truth? Who could say with certainty that all those big-name organisations like the WHO and the CDC and the RKI were wrong, that all those medical experts were full of shit? ("Are you a virologist?")

But that widespread fear, that "mass psychosis", would long since have faded without a trace if it weren't still enforced by armies of cops and security guards and petty jobsworths and a corrupt and captured judiciary. Very few people would be choosing to wear masks in shops or on trains, for instance. Teachers and parents would not get away with forcing children to wear muzzles or "socially distance".

What we're witnessing is not "mass formation psychosis" but deliberate and ruthless psychological programming and social conditioning. State terrorism on an unprecedented (because multi-state) scale.

Certainly it's damaging millions of people in every way: materially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally. Just as it was designed to. This "madness" was planned carefully and is being instituted methodically. There are seven-year-olds who have never seen their teacher's face.

Meanwhile, certain classes of people are doing very well out of all this, so far. That includes not just the bankers and billionaires, but journalists and media drones, medics, politicians, academics, and anyone else whose income is secure while their workload is lessened. It's no wonder they get mad* when the narrative that supports their privilege is threatened. Like everyone else, they want to think well of themselves.

* Note the word's ambiguity.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:16 am
by Belligerent Savant
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Well-summarized.

Infuriating, unacceptable, and impossible to carry out in healthy society. But we've become incrementally unwell over time, as a collective. Fattened before the slaughter, and now that the knives are out in full view, many still believe they're fellow diners rather than an item on the menu.

To Serve Man.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:57 pm
by liminalOyster
Interestingly I saw that Michael Salter tweeted an article (not read yet) on how dissociation can lead to psychosis if given certain conditions. No idea the veracity of the argument nor does this seem common among the dissociative people I know. But it strikes me that if the pandemic has ushered into collective psychosis (and the expression of it I probably see in different place than Mac or BS) it was very well primed by many years of intensely increasingly cognitive dissonance similar to dissociation.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:00 pm
by MacCruiskeen
Right from the start of this coup, the criminal liars who rule us recognised the need to scare everyone shitless; so of course they engaged TheScience™ to help form those obsolescent but potentially-uppity humans into a fungible mass they could more easily shape to their ends. They did this by engaging in a relentless campaign of terror & disinformation that played on people's fears, exploited and exacerbated their screen-addiction, relied on their ignorance of actual science and their naive reverence for TheScience™, and (nastiest of all) perverted their normal and natural human solidarity, their desire to protect others from harm.

"The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging." - The UK government's SAGE group, 22nd March 2020.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 032020.pdf


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@fitnessfeelingz 4 hrs ago.

2021: Psy-ops don't exist that's a crazy conspiracy theory.

2022: Ok yes psy-ops are real. And that's a good thing. You deserve to be psy-oped.

Financial Times @FT 4 hrs ago.

Psy-Ops are a crucial weapon in the war against disinformation

https://on.ft.com/3njkFk3


"Disinformation". Sic. "War" and "weapon". Also sic.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:46 pm
by Grizzly
https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/
Originally in Hebrew...See link for Originals and prior Correspondence:

Ministry of Health, it’s time to admit failure
"In the end, the truth will always be revealed, and the truth about the coronavirus policy is beginning to be revealed. When the destructive concepts collapse one by one, there is nothing left but to tell the experts who led the management of the pandemic – we told you so.
Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. You do not admit it, because you have admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions, and even the media is already having a hard time covering your shame.

You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda “you overcame the plague.” And again you defeated it, and again and again and again.

You refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective, despite your own contingency plans explicitly stating so (“Pandemic Influenza Health System Preparedness Plan, 2007”, p. 26).

You refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine, despite previous knowledge and observations showing that non-recovered vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than recovered people. You refused to admit that the vaccinated are contagious despite the observations. Based on this, you hoped to achieve herd immunity by vaccination — and you failed in that as well.

You insisted on ignoring the fact that the disease is dozens of times more dangerous for risk groups and older adults, than for young people who are not in risk groups, despite the knowledge that came from China as early as 2020.

You refused to adopt the “Barrington Declaration”, signed by more than 60,000 scientists and medical professionals, or other common sense programs. You chose to ridicule, slander, distort and discredit them. Instead of the right programs and people, you have chosen professionals who lack relevant training for pandemic management (physicists as chief government advisers, veterinarians, security officers, media personnel, and so on).

You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did to some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

Irreversible damage to trust

However, from the heights of your hubris, you have also ignored the fact that in the end the truth will be revealed. And it begins to be revealed. The truth is that you have brought the public’s trust in you to an unprecedented low, and you have eroded your status as a source of authority. The truth is that you have burned hundreds of billions of shekels to no avail – for publishing intimidation, for ineffective tests, for destructive lockdowns and for disrupting the routine of life in the last two years.

You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.
You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.

When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries — you can clearly see that the destruction you have caused has only added victims beyond the vulnerable to the virus. The economy you ruined, the unemployed you caused, and the children whose education you destroyed — are the surplus victims as a result of your own actions only.

There is currently no medical emergency, but you have been cultivating such a condition for two years now because of lust for power, budgets and control. The only emergency now is that you still set policies and hold huge budgets for propaganda and consciousness engineering instead of directing them to strengthen the health care system."
[b"This emergency must stop!"

Professor Udi Qimron, Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University][/b]


https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/s1nsyh/israeli_professor_ehud_qimron_open_letter/

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:00 pm
by MacCruiskeen
The discipline misnamed psychology (but rightly called a discipline) has no place for mind, soul or spirit, and no time for ethics or morality. That's why it's so useful to governments.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:36 am
by alloneword
Damn right, they find it 'useful'.

Since it's one of the chief weapons being used against us, wouldn't it make sense to make an effort to understand it as much as we can?

First, a point of order: The word 'psychosis' is - besides being pejorative - a technical diagnostic term used in psychiatry and psychology with a fairly specific meaning. For this reason, Desmet has been careful not to use it (indeed, pulling Malone up for it's use was the very first thing he said to him). Telling people they're 'psychotic' probably isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

For sure, 'Mass Formation' certainly isn't the most descriptive term, so I'd suggest 'Mass Hypnosis' serves us better. People instinctively understand what it means and understand that it is entirely possible ("I mean, we've all seen Derren Brown etc, so it's clear that people can fall under hypnosis... just, well... maybe not me, but other people, sure... right?")

Second, I'd never deny the fact that 'a ruling class and its army of dutiful clerks and minions' planned, engineered, instigated and facilitated all of this, or that they continue to do so (and I'm fairly confident that neither would Desmet).

So... where to begin? Probably by saying that it's not an attempt to pathologise or excuse the behaviour of a large section society, just to understand it a little better.

Perhaps a description of just what it is we're looking at would help? A description of it's results? How about:

A narrow, myopic focus on one small source of potential risk, to the exclusion of almost all others, to the point where they are willing to inflict real, permanent physical and psychological harm on themselves and those around them - even their own children - in the pursuit of that risk mitigation.

As you say above:
MacCruiskeen » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:38 pm wrote:..their alleged "psychosis" is serving their perceived interests jolly well, thank you, at least for the time being.


They *think* it is. That perception is faulty. They no longer have any peripheral vision for the wider harms their narrow focus causes.

Again:
MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:49 am wrote:Certainly it's damaging millions of people in every way: materially, financially, physically, mentally, emotionally. Just as it was designed to.


Exactly. But they carry on as if they haven't noticed the damage - because they haven't noticed the damage. They literally cannot see it.

So what's going on here, exactly?

Earlier I came across a fairly decent write-up of the 'Mass Formation' concept. I can't improve on most of it, to I'll c&p a few chunks here;

[A Mass Formation] can form when you have a society that has become decoupled from each other; where people are atomized and socially isolated from one another and there is no common story.

It is a society under stress by this social atomization, a sense of meaninglessness, and a feeling that things don’t make sense. People feel as if they have no purpose. They don’t contribute, and their life is incoherant.


This is the precursor - the lack of a societal narrative, the lack of a sense of place in the world.

What they gain from covidianism is (at last!) a story. One in which they can quite literally save the world. A sense of place, of common purpose, of belonging to a group of like-minded individuals. A taste of good old 'Blitz spirit'.

**Purely anecdotal, but I've noticed that the most fervent adherents to the creed of the covid cult tend to be more toward the Guardian-reading / university educated / professional-managerial side of the socio-economic divide, whereas the care assistants, bar staff, carpenters etc are more inclined to call bullshit, or just keep their head down and get on with the task of trying to feed the kids.

The thought occurred to me that this might be because the non-covidians already have a sense of place, a story, a narrative. OK, it might not be a 'good' place or a 'good' story, but still one that engenders social bonds, a sense of community. The sort of narrative that says 'she's my friend, she walked my dog and picked my kids up from school when I was self isolating...', or 'he's my mate, he helped repair my kids toy'. The glue that holds our societies or communities together.

On the other hand, I've had someone - now a small business owner - demand I perform an LFT on their doorstep while they wait in the kitchen, before admitting me into their house.

(I'm not just talking about some random dickhead, here. This was someone I've known over 30 years, stood shoulder to shoulder with at Twyford Down, someone who actually knows first hand what it's like to suddenly find yourself pinned to the floor of your own home by a cop in full riot gear with his knee on your neck and an HK MP-5 muzzle on your temple, whilst the same is done to your family and the rest of the gang merrily smash the house to bits. I would have trusted them with my life. Yet, they're fully bought-in to the covidphobia, no matter how many facts, stats and beautifully presented graphs I show him. It doesn't [or didn't] make sense).**


I think perhaps that people who already have their own story have less of a *need* for the covidian hero-tale. Also, they'd have nothing to fear - or nothing to defend - from information that contradicts the covidian narrative.

From these first two conditions a third condition arises; a form of free-floating anxiety and free-floating psychological discontent...

The final condition is a lot of free-floating frustration and aggression. Like the third condition, this is a consequence of the first two conditions.


'Free-floating' in that there is no immediate or identifiable cause - and if you can't identify the cause of your anxiety, you can hardly do anything about it (other than temporarily escape into intoxication, video games or 'social' media).

“If under these conditions a story is distributed through the mass media, indicating an object of anxiety, and at the same time providing a strategy to deal with it, then the following might happen.”

“All the free-floating anxiety is attached to the object of the anxiety in the narrative, and there is a huge willingness to participate in the strategy to deal with this object of anxiety.”

“People suddenly feel connected again in an heroic struggle, and a new kind of solidarity; a new kind of social bond; a new kind of meaning making; and sense making emerges in society.”

In this situation then, their attention gets focused by a leader or series of events on one small thing; just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere.


So all that carefully cultivated free-floating anxiety (the fruits of such divisive factors as cancel culture, climate change, BLM, gender issues, social interaction mediated by or replaced with 'social media', unattainable aspirations, inability to get on the property ladder, bullshit job, debt, no friends, unknown neighbours, blah, blah, both shaken and stirred...) suddenly has a mooring post, something to focus on: the (apparently) universal, existential threat of a 'global pandemic'.

One of the aspects of that phenomenon is that the people that they identify as their leaders; the ones typically that come in and say “you have this pain and I, and I alone, can solve it for you” get their unquestioned allegiance. They will follow that person through anything. It doesn’t matter whether they lie to them demonstrably and repeatedly. The data and facts become irrelevant.

The reason people buy into the narrative is that it leads to this new social bond. Prof. Desmut says “People are social beings, and being socially isolated is painful, and through the process of Mass Formation they switch from the very negative state of social isolation to the opposite state of the maximal connectedness that exists in a crowd or a mass, and that leads up to a kind of mental intoxication.


So now, you can signal your absolute virtue whilst simultaneously demonstrating total fealty and group belonging by engaging in any number of performative rituals, be it covering your face or standing on the doorstep banging saucepan lids together like a clockwork monkey.

'Painful'.

To abandon the covidian cult would cause real pain. It would be opening the door and ushering in all that free-floating anxiety again. No wonder they don't even want to return to the 'old normal'. It was a world of pain for them.

Remember this if you're deprogramming cult members. Try, at least, to be kind.

“This is the real reason that people stick to the narrative, even if it is utterly wrong and even if they lose everything that is important to them personally. Mass formation is a kind of hypnosis.”

“Just like in hypnosis, the attention is focused on this very small part of reality, and just like in hypnosis people are completely unaware of everything that is happening outside of this small area of their attention.”

Furthermore, anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately purged. They are the other; the interloper; the saboteur; the enemy. This particular pathology is central to Mass Formation


..And thus ends the gospel according to Desmet.

I'm not sure I really understand your apparent hostility to the *idea* of 'Mass Formation' as a descriptive framework for what's happening, but I totally get - and share - a certain distaste and concern for the way it's being presented and interpreted by the likes of Malone. But I feel it contains some powerful, possibly useful, perspectives. Please, just don't 'throw the baby out with the bathwater'.

If you're interested, there's (yet) another decent interview (Desmet and Dr Mike Yeadon) here: https://jermwarfare.com/blog/mattias-desmet-mike-yeadon - ranging a bit further than the subject at hand, touching on the spiritual.

But, Mac, you should have the last word here, as you so eloquently describe perhaps the darkest, most insidious aspect of all this...

MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:00 pm wrote:They did this by engaging in a relentless campaign of terror & disinformation that played on people's fears, exploited and exacerbated their screen-addiction, relied on their ignorance of actual science and their naive reverence for TheScience™, and (nastiest of all) perverted their normal and natural human solidarity, their desire to protect others from harm.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:19 pm
by MacCruiskeen
Thanks for that, alloneword. I'll try to give it the response it deserves later on when I have a little more time. :thumbsup

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:13 pm
by stickdog99

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:18 am
by drstrangelove
Mass formation psychosis is just another conceptualisation of mimesis. Which is the phenomenon compelling people to identify with the image they have of themselves. Arnold Toynbee actually warned future globalists against relying on memisis for culture craft because it isn't a robust form of indoctrination and is more associated with trends.

In the case of fashion people see an attractive person wearing certain clothes, so they wear the same clothes to identify as attractive. But that person hasn't actually become attractive, so the effect quickly wears off and they have to buy new clothes. This is the fashion industry.

In the case of the pandemic people see an educated person wearing a lab coat saying certain things, so they say the same things to identify as educated. But the person hasn't actually become educated so the effect quickly wears off and they have to say new things. This is The Science.

An attractive person in the fashion industry is someone with symmetrical features and portions. An educated person in the science industry is someone with credentials. Both these things are images without substance. There may be substance behind them, such as a personality behind the image of an attractive person or some intelligence behind the credentials of a scientist, but these are not the things people are identifying with through mimesis.

mimesis is probably the most powerful social force that can be leveraged. But it's short lived, and especially easy to counter using propaganda :thumbsup

mimesis is also the force behind a lot of pretentious art, that is, art identifying with being meaningful or profound.

Re: "Mass Formation Psychosis". Really?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2022 5:11 pm
by MacCruiskeen
Alloneword, I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to give you the detailed reply I intended this weekend. I kind of reached my limit with the whole godforsaken topic over the last couple of days, with the sheer grotesque absurdity of the whole "COVID-19" yarn, the deep nastiness of the entire mindset behind it, the utter twistedeness of the technocrats' attitude to life and learning and knowledge, the 700 days it's already lasted, and then the fresh tsunami of bullshit and lies in the "news" every day --

We're probably in less disagreement than you might imagine, if we're actually disagreeing at all. Sure, it's nuts, it's mad, all that -- Desmet is not entirely wrong -- but I don't see the sudden "formation" of any "mass" here, I see a privileged and powerful few million too scared to think (and too long accustomed to not having to think), closing ranks in panic and fury against everyone and everything else. I see the long-delayed death agonies of a vulgarly materialistic and scientistic worldview that's granted a high standard of living and a lot of prestige to millions of middle-class professionals for many decades, but at a very high cost -- not just to the rest of the world, but to them themselves. I mean the professional-managerial-clerical (broadly "intellectual") class, an army of people who are trained and skilled in ever-more-specialised areas, but who have lost all ability to contextualise or synthesise or even read, who have lost all sense of the whole. Witness their loss of intellectual independence and moral courage, their bizarre lack of curiosity, their nervous and resentful dependence on authority, their sneering eye-rolling insistence on "what everyone knows", their rage at being contradicted or presented with evidence that might shake their certainty about what's true and how the world works. And it's not just their powers of cogitation that have atrophied. Witness the appalling indifference and deadness of their response to the abandonment of old people to a lonely death and the force-masking & "distancing" of children for nearly two years.

If Mathias Desmet wants to call that a "mass", fine, but it's not the unschooled unwashed mob the word "mass" brings to mind for most people. It's the best-paid, best-schooled, most thoroughly domesticated & housetrained "mass" in history. Nor are these the poor isolated atomised individuals he invokes in his hypothesis. On the contrary, these people -- Guardian & BBC journalists, hospital doctors, academics, politicians, admen, managers, soi-disant "creatives" and "influencers" of all kinds. -- are mostly well-connected, well-adjusted and well-traveled, usually personable and even nice, not short of dinner-party invitations, and perfectly used to "dealing with people" all day long.

Meanwhile, the kind of humans they have despised more-or-less secretly since forever have long since smelled a rat and are now taking to the streets in ever-increasing numbers. They've had enough of being lied to and talked down to by authorities of all kinds, formal, informal and self-appointed. I've been on a few of these demos since the summer of 2020, and what's striking is not just that these people trust their own eyes and ears, that they haven't taken leave of their senses, but that so many of them are making a real and successful effort to educate themselves and others. For their pains, they get called "covidiots", "tinfoil-hatters", "selfish and irresponsible yahoos", and even "Nazis". And still they remain strikingly good-humoured and peaceable, even in the face of all this supercilious contempt, even when confronted with police chicanery and violence. The question is: How much longer?

What we're witnessing now is the lancing of a very big old boil, and it ain't a pretty sight. It's long overdue, though, and it's a prerequisite for any healthy or even survivable future.