DrEvil » 14 Jul 2023 20:02 wrote:Stickdog wrote:Yeah, I'm a disgustingly evil right winger because I don't want to encourage little kids to become sterile lifelong mark$ for Big Pharma if they can possibly find a way to come to terms with the reproductive systems that they were born with.
Pretty sure I already commented on this, something along the lines of "give them the best care and counseling possible to ensure they're absolutely sure, or as close to as possible, that this is what they really want". And of course put an age limit on their ability to do anything irreversible (16 sounds reasonable to me). No one should have any kind of surgery until they're old enough to make an informed decision, and (ideally), by that time they've had enough time and support to be sure about it. Is it going to be perfect? Hell no. It's people, and people are stupid, easily influenced and change their minds, but that applies to everything. I simply don't care - it's their decision to make, and it has fuck-all to do with me, so live and let live. Some of them are going to end up regretting it. Shit happens.And that's all you have to offer to this entire discussion: demonization of anyone who dares to disagree one iota with your new "progressive" quasi-religious talking points. Right?
Demonization, as opposed to neoliberal programming? It was a bullshit reply to your bullshit reply.
This is not a new belief for me, not even remotely, it's only recently it's become such a big issue that I felt the need to comment on it.
OK, you can believe what you wish. I think irreversible surgeries should wait until 18 at least. And I think pre-counseling at minimum needs to come from individuals who are not enriched more by those who transition than by those who do not. And I would rather that this counseling and the research comes from the people in the article above whom trans-activists are actively trying to censor.
Yeah, it's none of my business. But it is a personal health destroying business, potentially worse than antidepressants, cigarettes or asbestos, and that's why it needs to be carefully regulated.
Zucker—like many others—wants to help youth avoid the psychosocial upheaval associated with gender transition and a lifetime of potentially unnecessary medical treatment. His position was almost universal until the past few years
That's all I am saying and all I have ever been saying about the trans issue (other than cis-women still need to be allowed their own safe spaces if they so desire).
I have every sympathy for trans-individuals. And any who are adults should be able to do whatever they want without getting discriminated against assuming that they have been made fully aware of all of the medical risks that they face. You know, the sort of informed consent that was not provided to any of my university students who were just forced to be experimentally injected over and over and over at little to no benefit to them or anyone else at the behest of Big Pharma.
For $ome rea$on, I find it hard it $omewhat harder than you do to tru$t the pure intention$ of medical e$tabli$hment when it come$ to creating lifelong medical $y$tem dependent$ right now. YMMV, but that doesn't make me an evil right-winger.