The Myth of Progress

Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff

The Myth of Progress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:21 pm

@Foz89107323

Something about the burning of Notre Dame in 2019 was different.

This event, like 9/11, had eschatological signifiance.

The actions taken to repair it since reflect the dispossession—the replacism—we are seeing everywhere now.

Image

First of all, what is 'replacism'?

According to Renaud Camus, replacism is "the substitution of something else to everything and the replacement of everything by something else."

It is pure dehumanization, the replacement of everything unique and human with what is man-made.

Image

In @GraduatedBen's interview, Camus reminds us "of how writers are replaced by intellectuals, intellectuals by journalists, journalists by TV-show hosts, marble by chipstone, stone by concrete or plaster, wood by plaster, or plastic the signature material of global replacism…

…which spoils even the depths of the oceans."

This gradual (visible) degeneration goes against the western idea of 'progress'

Man's knowledge of himself does not increase the more power he has over nature.

History is starting to look like involution towards entropy/sameness

In a fully replaced world, role models/heroes degenerate into celebrities, imagination and vision into advertisements, music into a carpet of sound, speech into an exchange of pleasantries, the breeze wooshing through the tree's into noise pollution.

Think of Evola's Kali Yuga.

Image

In the words of Byung Chul Han:

“One travels everywhere, yet does not experience anything. One accumulates information and data, yet does not attain knowledge. One lusts after adventures and stimulation, but always remains the same.

In a replaced world, everything must be looked at in terms of utility/material gain.

This hyperfixation on utility has actually made the world useless, inverting all noble values, like Beauty, into nihilistic mediocrity.

Roger Scruton on The Replacement of Beauty:

Image
[video clip at link]

This facelessness, or lack of uniqueness, we feel experientially is reflected in our environment.

With skyscrapers, for example, there is no unique character; the face of windows simply mirrors their surroundings, expressing a obsequious anonymity.

Image

In a city that is devoid of face, we move from thought-to-thought, relationship-to -relationship, room-to-room, escaping the world's voice, never listening.

Thrown out of orbit, the self can never develop a connection with the other, so it develops an unstable self-image.

The selfie phenomenon stems from this psychological instability.

Faced with one’s inner emptiness from narcissistic isolation, one vainly attempts to produce oneself, in the form of an image that reflects who we are.

This only further traps oneself in a hall of mirrors.

Image

"The narcissist", as Christopher Lasch said, "does not acknowledge the separate existence of the self, as distinguished from the bodily ego. He drowns in his own reflection, never understanding that it is reflection."

Image

Uploading this selfie into the galactic uproar that is the internet, you surrender to a limitless gaze with no depth.

In this digital ocean, you 'surf' the web, but you are the opposite of a sea-farer, who feels the ocean's terrifying vastness.

Image

The digital world is neither black or white, night or day, self nor other, it is devoid of all opposites, of all tension.

The translucent apple store in NYC reflects this. It is a transparent cube meant to represent freedom.

Image

It symbolizes limitless communication with no boundary.

But it is impossible to live in a world devoid of limits—it would cease to be human, to be a world with us in it.

Dugin said that this new era of technology displaces being and crowns nothing.

Why?

Image

What is so pernicious about replacism is it seeks to turn all that is solid into air, all that is human into a formless reflection of ourselves.

The Greek's intuited that there was an aspect of man that tries to overcome himself until he is nothing.

Image

Prometheus, for example, was punished by the God's for stealing the fire of consciousness from the heavens.

By giving man consciousness, he was eternally punished by zeus.

For being conscious, we have been eternally punished with a knowledge of death

https://bluelabyrinths.com/2015/03/02/m ... t-essence/

Tragedies like these are so old because they reflect a fundamental aspect of the human experience from childhood.

German psychologist Karl Groos observed that children come to understand that they exist as discrete entitites by recognizing that "they" caused something to happen.

Our sense of self is grounded in action.

The child takes immense "pleasure at being the cause."

When this desire for control is denied to a child, experiments have shown that they experience rage, a refusal to engage, and a withdrawing from the world entirely.

From childhood onwards, man has a 'will-to-appropriate'. The intellect "wants equality", as Nietzsche said "to subsume a sense impression into an existing series: in the same way the body assimilates inorganic matter."

All thought categorizes the unique aspects of reality into systems for the sake of usefulness.

As Nietzcshe said "only when we see things coarsley and made equal do they become calculable and usable to us."

The tragic aspect of this—and this is where the Greeks were right—is that lust for control is doomed to failure because our conceptual structures are much simpler than the complex phenomenon they are attempting to account for.

Nature always wins out in the end.

Image

As Pagilia wrote: “Action is the route of escape from nature, but all action circles back to origins, the womb-tomb of nature. Oedipus, trying to escape his mother, runs straight into her arms."

Image

Man is the promethean being who, fearful of death and chaos—the consummate coldness of the universe—must “create an alternate reality, a heterocosm of control to give himself the illusion of freedom.

Narcissism is losing oneself in this heterocosm, in this world of abstraction.

Image

Since the industrial revolution, we have become trapped in abstraction.

The exchange of commodities in the market implies there's something equal and equivelent about them.

1 kg of caviar is “the same as” 1000 different people clicking on the same internet advert

Image

"We treat quantities of fish eggs, human attention, clowning performances, bullets, computing time, potatoes, and a bewildering array of other things, as “the same” — because, in the marketplace they all may be exchanged for one another, via the “alien mediator” we call money."

Image

All labor is treated equally; the egalitarianism inherent in the notion of market exchange refuses to distinguish between one consumer’s dollar and another, one worker from another.

That is why jobs are outsourced over seas, and why domestic workers are replaced with immigrants.

Image
Image

This "calculative thinking" that Heidegger warned about, has seeped into our common language.
The word "life", for example, designates at times a view from nowhere; an anonymous view of nature that looks at a person, a bee, a cell, a bear, and embryo—as being all the same thing.

C.S. Lewis:

"When we understand a thing analytically and then dominate and use it for our own convenience, we reduce it to the level of ‘Nature’ in the sense that we suspend our
judgements of value about it, ignore its final cause (if any), and treat it in terms of quantity."

Image

In modernity, our objective reality is treated as a subjective creation, an 'illusion', while our social constructs—like money—are fetishized as real entities.

Our moral obligations to each other are looked down upon, while our selfish (fake) rights are put on a pedastol.

Image

France has become the locus of this Economic rationality that attempts to depoliticize the public sphere, reducing all public questions to managerial, cost-benefit calculations.

Something occured in France during the French Revolution that fundamentally changed history forever.

Image

Divine providence was replaced with purposeless nature, governed by blind chance.

The "taming of chance" is moral statistics. It stems from the view, as Maistre observed, that historical development can be attributed to an accident—the creation of private property.

Image

If all inequality stems from private property, as Rousseau believed it did, then that implies individuals can be administered by experts who are knowledgable enough of the 'science' to correct what went wrong.

This is the origin of modern technocracy.

Image

Maistre writes: "We say in everyday conversation: ‘‘This man was made for such a profession; what a pity he did not take it up!’’ Rousseau appropriates this expression and transports it into philosophical language...

..."So that here we have an intelligent being which was made (apparently by God) for the life of savages and which a dreadful chance precipitated into civilization (apparently in spite of God)."

This gnostic transformation literally changed man after the Revolution of 1789.

Image

Our disenchanted view of the world has become so total, so commonplace, that we accept the 'metaphysically neutral' view of liberalism that denies the existence of purpose in nature or man.

This spiritual subterfuge is invisible to us, despite all the signs it is evil.

Image

We are told a higher GDP is better, that more jobs is better, that numbers and statistics are all that matter.

Liberalism pushes consequences without ever discussing its premises.

'Why' should our economy adopt the logic of the cancer cell—growth for growth's sake?

Image

What is it, A Priori, that constitutes human flourishing? Why reference any study if you can't answer that?

We talk endlessly about mental health, about public policy—but there is always that unspoken rejection of transcendence, of the sacred.

Image

In my thread on Yuval Noah Harari, I talk about how this rejection of free will has very real consequences for the human race. If man desires only pleasure, if he is only a biological being without soul, then others in power can administer his future, can make 'him' happy.

Yuval Noah Harari, like Rousseau, views history through the lens of blind chance.

Life is a zero-sum-struggle, where violence, competition, lovelessness, and atomization are not real choices that we may or may not make, but the nature of reality itself.

We expect these people to make us free with a view of history like that?

As kierkegaard said:

"Only a wretched and mundane conception of the dialectic of power holds that it increases in proportion to its ability to compel and to make dependent."

Every Baconian Conquest over nature only “increases her domain.” Gain-of-function research, the attempt to master viruses, creates a pandemic that ravages earth.

When we reject the intrinsic value of each individual, we reap the consequences, like this:



As Houellebecq observed, there is this sense in France that modernity is suicidal, that the country is reaping the consequences of its own sins against God & the Ancient Regime.

Politicians like Eric Zemmour have also shed light on this.

Image
https://unherd.com/2021/06/the-narcissi ... of-france/

France, a Catholic nation at heart, has rejected it's roots in God.

Is it any surprise that the Notre Dame fire occured during holy week?

The fire came from within.

The conceit of France's elite is thinking that can ignore Zemmour, and the people's love of God & Country.

Image

This just proves that the elites can never master us, they will never know what we want.

They will never control us so long as they cease to control themselves.

The art of power lies precisely in making oneself free.

Nobody else can command you to be free except yourself.

“Architects", Nietzsche says, ‘have always been under the spell of power”

A power that is freedom in space.

By shaping space, the architect creates a continuum of form in which he is with himself.

Only the architect can create this continuum of form, because it's part of him.

Image

This is how work was understood by the Greeks.

In Greece, "Productive activities were not conceived in relation to the unitary referent that the market is for us, but with respect to the use value of the object produced."

You defined that use-value, nobody else.

Image

"Every task is defined as a function of the product that it proposes to fabricate: the cobbler with respect to the shoe, the potter with respect to the pot. Labor is not considered in the perspective of the producer, as some social value."

We have all internalized the concept of work, of selling our labor, which Cicero understood as a "pledge for slavery".

Paradoxically, the working man feels like he has more control over the world, even as he gives up more of himself to work and consumption.

Image

Our sense of 'sovereignty' over the world is an illusion that increases in direct proportion to one's arrogance & narcissism.

If we were to step outside of ourselves, see the world from God's view, we would recognize this truth.

Nothing in this world is the same.

To treat the present as a reptition of the past, or another human being as if they were just a member of a species, is to reject what is so obvious to experience—the world is unpredictable until we freely choose what to do with it.

That choice is always yours.

The point of Narcissus's story is NOT that he fell in love with himself, but, since he fails to recognize his own reflection, he lacks any conception of difference between himself and his surroundings."

In other words, he drowns in his own reflections.

Image

We acquire our sense of difference from our surroundings, that feeling of autonomy, when we are able to effect change as a child.

As we get older, though, we become conscious of forces beyond our control, and we withdraw into our own abstractions to escape responsibility.

As we've outsourced all of our responsibilities to technology, in an attempt to run from God, reality has reasserted itself, often times violently.

We have treated all of nature—every country and culture—as if it they were the same.

9/11 was an attack on this.

Image

The violence of the globalism sweeps through all cultures that do not submit to its laws of universal exchange.

The violence of the global as the violence of the Same destroys the negativity of the Other, of the singular, of the incomparable.

The leveling of all cultures creates a destructive counterforce—terrorism.

Jean Baudrillard refers to the architectural particularity of the Twin Towers, these symbols of trade:

“Whereas the high-rise buildings of the Rockefeller Center reflect the city and the sky...

Image

...in their glass and steel fronts, the Twin Towers have no connection to the outside. The two twin buildings, which resemble each other and reflect each other, form a closed system. Thus the Same established itself in a total exclusion of the Other."

Image

The culture of death, the free movement of goods and peoples, led to a destructive counterforce—reinforcing the cycle of violence, of rebellion against God.

This cycle continued in 2019, as the pillars of Notre Dame felt down in flames.

Image

In Icarus Fallen, French philosopher Chantol Delsol suggests that the condition of modern European man was the condition that Icarus would have been in had he survived the fall.

With out technology, we have flown too close to the sun.

Image
Image

When this became too much for God, we fell back down to earth, and that angel—with wax wings on fire—landed on a symbol of western greatness, in a country falling downwards, like Icarus, torn apart by immigration, materialism, and corruption.

Image

https://twitter.com/Foz89107323/status/ ... 3JP6QXi-MQ
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5268
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby DrEvil » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:06 pm

That's a lot of words to say "I'm a racist, conservative Christian and I don't like where our culture is heading".

Not that I disagree with everything he says, but you do seem to have a knack for posting far-right shitheads. You couldn't find the same sentiments expressed by a decent human being?
"I only read American. I want my fantasy pure." - Dave
User avatar
DrEvil
 
Posts: 3981
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:37 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:19 pm

.
Outside of his religious beliefs, whatever they may be -- which, everyone is entitled to have, of course, and these days i'll take a christian (preferably not one that adheres strictly to the bible, though even then, bible readers aren't the primary drivers of paradigm shift over the last ~2yrs) over the modern day 'branch covidian' zealot any day -- what part of the above is racist or 'far right'? And which words make him 'indecent', in your view?

Such descriptors are increasingly losing their meaning in a world where "leftists" clamor for censorship, fascist ideology and limits to bodily autonomy.

Speaking of 'decent': how the fuck is passively accepting (or actively/passionately clamoring for) mandates and restrictive measures on those that don't agree with dominant narrative ideology the "decent" act?

Is self-reflection or re-assessment of prior firmly held beliefs no longer a thing for swaths of people? Or perhaps it never was.

Acceptance of the current zeitgeist is not "decent".
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5268
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:36 am

The picture of African's in a boat with the words

All labor is treated equally; the egalitarianism inherent in the notion of market exchange refuses to distinguish between one consumer’s dollar and another, one worker from another.

That is why jobs are outsourced over seas, and why domestic workers are replaced with immigrants.


Directly above it.

Not to mention uncritically referencing Dugin.

I've got good hearing. I can hear dog whistles.
Joe Hillshoist
 
Posts: 10594
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:45 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:55 am

.
First, I didn't post this here as a blanket endorsement. I've my own disagreements with portions of it. But there were aspects of it, particularly the commentary on 'progress' and certain ruminations on driving factors in underlying human motives that I found interesting enough to share here. This by no means indicates an endorsement of all positions indicated -- I've not come across this author prior to posting it here, so can not speak intelligently on his core beliefs. I figured we're all adults and can handle certain commentary that may inspire other commoners to clutch pearls. Or am I presuming too much?

I interpreted his reference to immigrant labor as more of a critique on market forces and uber-capitalism than your (or Evil's) take-away of overt (or subtle) racism.

Similarly, he references a single extended quote from Dugin. The quote itself is not racist, and is part of a larger conversation. There is no other reference to Dugin.

Circumstantial at best evidence, in other words, unless you've more examples to share?

Of course, I understand I'm dealing with 2 exemplars of human behavior and decorum in Dr. Evil and Joe H, that you both can render a person's content as verboten based on select interpretations. And even if largely valid, what now? What is this person calling for? Elimination of humans based on race, or "far right" political movements to be implemented in otherwise "Democratic" states? Perhaps this is one of an ongoing series of devious covert efforts to inspire hate subconsciously via dog whistle commentary...

What are his crimes? Call them out, oh arbiters of all that is noble and just.

(as we derail away from larger points of interest raised in the OP)
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5268
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:08 am

Yeah but Durgin is a nazi. If you quote him you have to qualify it.

I agree with a fair bit of what's posted in there too. Don't like the pining for kings and a new aristocracy tho.

I was chugging along not particularly bothered by what he said about Durgin either till I came across the racist shite. Reading that and seeing the image was jarring.

That's how these people work. They add shitful ideas to palatable ones and over time increase the dose. Remember Jeff Rense? That's what happened with his posting tho i dunno if it was all him. Snotlike productions did the same thing. Not everyone that posts there is a racist scumbag but quite a few are.

The other way these cunts work is by framing everything that's happened since an event that made peoples lives better as bad. The French revolution ended mass poverty and actually French people's lives a bit better after the chaos ended. They were starving beforehand. Opus Dei (and I'll bet money that's what this prick is) are always doing this stuff. they are very sophisticated in the way they frame their propaganda.
Joe Hillshoist
 
Posts: 10594
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:45 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:59 am

power of will philosophy. nature is too complex to understand objectively and so trying to react to nature using scientific rationalism leads to paralysis of action because subjective views will be constantly at odds with each other bickering over the nature of nature. thus instead it's better to react quickly and in unity to whatever nature throws your way, even if the actions are irrational. trump kinda does embody this principal. reacts quickly with certainty in an irrational manner and many find comfort in this. guess he is a german after all.

however, even though this outlook gets the part about reality being subjective correct, it rejects democracy for totalitarianism, because what germans really want is to live in a tribe. but they are smart enough to know totalitarianism justified on knowledge of objective reality won't work because it just leads to bickering over what that is and no totalitarianism. rather, the german outlook wants totalitarianism so bad that it simply justifies it on unity alone. which is to say, it just wants everyone to agree on a single subjective reality, it doesn't care which one, which is made objective through the power of will. kinda like that person who just wants to watch a movie and is getting frustrated at the others arguing over which to watch. it hates netflix and all the infinite choices and longs for the day of free-to-air where you would just sit yourself down and watch whatever had been scheduled for you to watch. because then at work the next day everyone had watched the same movie and you could feel nice and coozy in your tribe.

kind of endearing, but of course dangerous, as the germans settled on the subjective reality that Aryans were an objectively superior race. of course, many knew this wasn't true, but it was something to get together behind. And that's what they really wanted. to get together. kinda like Qanon, they believe it but they don't, but the sense of community is real so if the community is to continue the crazy beliefs must go on.

it's all very abstract with outlooks and leads to getting wires crossed, thoughts like scrambled eggs.

power of will philosophy is dangerous because it makes a whole of sense when societies start to breakdown into mass confusion and everyone loses the security of being able to make sense of the world.
User avatar
drstrangelove
 
Posts: 982
Joined: Sat May 22, 2021 10:43 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby DrEvil » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:45 pm

Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:19 am wrote:.
Outside of his religious beliefs, whatever they may be -- which, everyone is entitled to have, of course, and these days i'll take a christian (preferably not one that adheres strictly to the bible, though even then, bible readers aren't the primary drivers of paradigm shift over the last ~2yrs) over the modern day 'branch covidian' zealot any day -- what part of the above is racist or 'far right'? And which words make him 'indecent', in your view?

Such descriptors are increasingly losing their meaning in a world where "leftists" clamor for censorship, fascist ideology and limits to bodily autonomy.

Speaking of 'decent': how the fuck is passively accepting (or actively/passionately clamoring for) mandates and restrictive measures on those that don't agree with dominant narrative ideology the "decent" act?

Is self-reflection or re-assessment of prior firmly held beliefs no longer a thing for swaths of people? Or perhaps it never was.

Acceptance of the current zeitgeist is not "decent".


The whole screed is so full of dog whistles it's a damn orchestra. I realize you have problems spotting things like that, since you keep posting this kind of shit, but pretty please, exercise some source control. Look through his other tweets and it becomes abundantly clear what kind of person he is. In case it wasn't obvious: most far-right shitheads aren't going to put "proud racist" in their bio.

A couple of examples from your post:

France, a Catholic nation at heart, has rejected it's roots in God.
Is it any surprise that the Notre Dame fire occured during holy week?
The fire came from within.
The conceit of France's elite is thinking that can ignore Zemmour, and the people's love of God & Country.


When this became too much for God, we fell back down to earth, and that angel—with wax wings on fire—landed on a symbol of western greatness, in a country falling downwards, like Icarus, torn apart by immigration, materialism, and corruption.


Plus the things Joe pointed out. Breadcrumbs, as you would say.
"I only read American. I want my fantasy pure." - Dave
User avatar
DrEvil
 
Posts: 3981
Joined: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:37 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:20 pm

.

I took his references to "God" as more symbolic, though will readily admit I haven't yet looked at his Twitter account beyond the thread I posted. That said, it's often a mixed bag when perusing Twitter, and even within a particular profile or post, one can regularly encounter conflicting comments/thoughts, or otherwise a mix of good and bad takes. Much like many of us here.

No objections with much of the objections you and Joe raised, as I had similar issues with certain insinuations raised by the twitter posting in the OP, but that wasn't my focal point, and didn't feel, upon an initial read, that the topic was based on any 'racist' underpinnings.

Where does this Twitter handle indicate "proud racist" on his profile? All I see is this:

Forrest
@Foz89107323

Resisting the singularity

Joined October 2017

2,021 Following
2,118 Followers


Am I missing something?

Also: please point out examples of other content with "racist" tones that I may have shared here. Seems you're painting with a mighty broad brush. It's interesting how easily that word gets tossed around whenever someone raises talking points that fall outside mainstream narratives. Sometimes it may be warranted, of course.

Lastly: good ruminations from DrStrangelove; that's the type of response I was hoping to garner.
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5268
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:04 pm

worthwhile topic. orthodox totalitarians still salty about the Illuminati overthrowing the holy roman empire with a pamphlet revolution. if he knew about the man in my avatar he'd probably have a fit. orthodox totalitarianism vs scientific totalitarianism. pick a side people! do you wanna be jabbed or caned!

that said, his gripe is legitimate. if what you want is a totalitarian society then the constant rate of modification to what is known via the scientific process contradicts the purpose of freezing culture into stasis. this constant state of flux he calls progress. science cannot become religion. they just tried it and failed.

the alien play is their best shot. i shit you not, ancient aliens could be the solution they are seeking for a spiritual science to fill the void of unknown in secular belief. probably why a member of the mellon family has been shilling UFO conspiracy for decades.
User avatar
drstrangelove
 
Posts: 982
Joined: Sat May 22, 2021 10:43 am
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:16 pm

^^^^^
:thumbsup

Since Harari was referenced in the OP:

@walterkirn
·
This guy Harari is a media-psych operation. A pretty mediocre one. He’s playing a dumb person’s comic-book idea of an amoral smart person.
@MaajidNawaz

WEF Shill, Yuval Noah Harari is at WAR against humanity:

“The biggest question..what to do with all these USELESS people. The problem is boredom & what to do with them.. when they are.. WORTHLESS. My best guess..is a combination of DRUGS & COMPUTER GAMES”
Image
[video clip at link]


https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/1 ... 4Iqf_gxtdQ
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5268
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:39 pm

It was interesting seeing this outside the confines of Bluebird -- it "hits different" as the kids say -- it was helpful to recognize how much heavy lifting I'm doing, as a reader, gently massaging long threads into coherent essays. When they're not.

Still, I think it's more erudite, honest and interesting than anything in the Atlantic or NYT this month. The reaction here is equally interesting. I've had a lot of longtime research buddies and personal friends, left and right, cut me off over the past year for my transgressions. It's a sad shrug every time, but also a mandatory opportunity to check under the hood and make sure I'm still pursuing the same project.

I'm not. I used to be hellbent on fixing things, I am now happy to settle for merely understanding them. As a mid-20's hippie it was quite easy to repeat aphorisms about knowing how little I know, but to still be experiencing that face-first as an early-40's family man is far more humbling.

The Myth of Progress, indeed. The dizzying heights of our megatechnic achievements aside, very little is new. There are no novel moral quandaries, no innovative problems or solutions to the age-old question of human beings governing human societies. I am now happy to settle for cathedrals that last, tools that work, instead of the endless iterations of strip-mall plastic product "identities" that post-capitalism has to offer their wounded serfs.

Still, I wish the high priests of progress the best. Within my lifetime, the Hararis and Attalis of the new world order will come to be seen as the equals of the Baeumlers and Rosenbergs of old. Just give it time.
User avatar
Wombaticus Rex
 
Posts: 10896
Joined: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:33 pm
Location: Vermontistan
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:31 am

Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:39 pm wrote:The Myth of Progress, indeed. The dizzying heights of our megatechnic achievements aside, very little is new. There are no novel moral quandaries, no innovative problems or solutions to the age-old question of human beings governing human societies. I am now happy to settle for cathedrals that last, tools that work, instead of the endless iterations of strip-mall plastic product "identities" that post-capitalism has to offer their wounded serfs.

This.

Wombaticus Rex » Fri Jun 10, 2022 5:39 pm wrote:Within my lifetime, the Hararis and Attalis of the new world order will come to be seen as the equals of the Baeumlers and Rosenbergs of old. Just give it time.


If only we arrive there next week.

Instead, years will pass, and it will get worse before we get there. Such is the nature of humanity. Cyclical in a number of respects, and slow to understand what's happening while it's happening.
User avatar
Belligerent Savant
 
Posts: 5268
Joined: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:58 pm
Location: North Atlantic.
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:55 pm

Progress is just something to distract us from the reality that minting coins makes the rest us all slaves.

The bloke in the OP is just pissed off his mob aren't the ones minting them anymore.
Joe Hillshoist
 
Posts: 10594
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:45 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Re: The Myth of Progress

Postby Elvis » Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:49 am

Is the author American? French?
“The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.” ― Joan Robinson
User avatar
Elvis
 
Posts: 7435
Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:24 pm
Blog: View Blog (0)

Next

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests