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What can we do to stop good people from conflating goodness with dystopian totalitarian control sold to them in an anti-racist, pro-public health, and pro-environment wrapper?
stickdog99 wrote:They also appealed to deep seated inclinations such as religion, nationalism, tribalism, family, honor, hard work, ascetism, and sacrifice
science is the theology, climate change the eschatology, net zero the crusade
LakeLurk
@EvilHeat4
Progressives and leftists are going to slowly back away from climate doomerism in the next decade, but are going to do that thing similar to COVID restrictions where they act 100 percent justified in supporting the wrong ideas and you're still a chud for being right initially.
Much like they feel the advent of the vaccine absolved them of their Covid sins, there will be some climate development that averts the worst-case scenario, therefore "we were right to be panicking" before the thing happened
10:22 AM · Dec 12, 2022
DrEvil » 12 Dec 2022 00:52 wrote:science is the theology, climate change the eschatology, net zero the crusade
With the small caveats that science works, climate change is real and net zero is a worthwhile goal. I guess you could say religion has (*badum tish*) progressed.
Belligerent Savant » Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:53 pm wrote:.
"Sience works". What does this even mean? At all times? Regardless of contextual details?
The scientific process is effective, yes. But Science is prone to capture, compromise, bias, flawed premises and criteria, and political/special interests (etc.).
So science can work, if performed earnestly, but is always subject to revision. And when compromised, 'science' can be the cause of large-scale collective harms no different (worse, given current scales) than historical atrocities committed on behalf of Religion. Indeed, in many respects 'The Science' is the current (secular) Religion of our times, complete with its share of dogma, High Priests, disciples, and brazen zeal.
Climate change, as presented to the masses, is a scam, as is 'net zero'.
The line beyond which, one has become so skeptical, that they have become stupid in the process.
The absurdity: those that follow 'the science' most ardently are markedly more susceptible to flawed/deceptive takes wrapped in a shiny veneer catering to their political and conditioned sensibilities. As such, they largely congratulate themselves for their 'progressive' thinking, yet are no more illuminated or aware of the hoodwinking taking place than the peasantry of yore.
LakeLurk
@EvilHeat4
Progressives and leftists are going to slowly back away from climate doomerism in the next decade, but are going to do that thing similar to COVID restrictions where they act 100 percent justified in supporting the wrong ideas and you're still a chud for being right initially.
Much like they feel the advent of the vaccine absolved them of their Covid sins, there will be some climate development that averts the worst-case scenario, therefore "we were right to be panicking" before the thing happened
10:22 AM · Dec 12, 2022
This is not to say the climate isn't probably changing to some degree over time. It appears there may be some change occurring to climate, but highly unlikely to be dire, and such changes may be cyclical.
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