*The title of the post is partly borrowed from Bob Wilson's 'Prometheus Rising in that of GI Gurdjieff explaining war statisticians in the process of bringing Prosthetic legs for amputees legs to the front lines. Whose legs WILL be blown off. And his adept at the realization of the matter. The Horror of the situation.
the issue with these hyper-reality technologies is not that people will believe the leak of Trump screwing a billy-goat in a satanic ritual but that they won't have any good reason to believe things that actually are real
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 10:06 am
by drstrangelove
the danger is that if people can't trust their senses it is left to rationalists to determine what is and isn't real for them.
they'll be a video of something, or people will witness something, but this will be utterly meaningless until a rationalist tells them whether or not it is authentic based on some kind math they did on it.
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:37 pm
by DrEvil
It's not left to rationalists, but whomever they already trust. Could be Q, Tucker, Bernie, Musk or Oprah, or some random person/bot on Twitter that just happens to say something they already want to believe.
People aren't rational at all. We're not wired for truth, we're wired for survival, which includes staying in the in-group, even if that group is batshit insane, so if the group's authority says this is fake, then it's fake - end of discussion.
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:22 pm
by Grizzly
^^^ Really? "No explosives traces what so ever, eh?" Wow.
If it's me, then yes, if an authority figure in a person's self-identified group (liberal, conservative, Qanon, etc.) tells them there were no explosive traces then they will probably believe that. Not all of them, but a good chunk. Humans by and large have never been independent thinkers, we're herd animals who crave hierarchy. We want someone to tell us what the truth is. Doesn't matter if it's the actual truth as long as it gives us a sense of comfort and belonging.
"Truth is like poetry, and most people fucking hate poetry."
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 7:36 pm
by Belligerent Savant
. Many may well be herd thinkers. We need only observe the reactions/decisions since 2020 of far too many.
But we must not discount years of programming, conditioning, priming and increasingly overt/blatant propaganda manipulating many to think, act, and vote counter to their interests. Those fully plugged into modern tech and current social norms are far more manipulated and have far less self-formed thoughts/agency than they may consciously realize. (This is particularly true for the 'highly educated'/economically comfortable classes)
However: a growing count of humans are increasingly rebuking the current iterations of tribal social constructs, and do not subscribe to any single (increasingly contrived, compromised and hijacked) social group. More are realizing that so much of what passes for "consensus" is sheer bullshit.
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 8:39 pm
by DrEvil
However: a growing count of humans are increasingly rebuking the current iterations of tribal social constructs, and do not subscribe to any single (increasingly contrived, compromised and hijacked) social group. More are realizing that so much of what passes for "consensus" is sheer bullshit.
They do. They subscribe to the social group of "not subscribing to social groups". They're just another loosely knit movement with authority figures telling them what to think and do. What unites them is their belief that they see through the bullshit, and they see through the bullshit because people on Youtube and Rumbler and Twitter and Substack tell them what is bullshit and not.
They're no more thinking for themselves than your average Russiagate-guzzling latte hipster who works in marketing and is thinking about making an app, and you can be damn sure the psyop folks already figured out how best to weaponize them.
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2023 10:54 pm
by Belligerent Savant
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Who are these 'authority figures' you believe in your fanciful narrative to be 'directing' these people? Your fatal error is you foolishly and erroneously place these people into pre-conceived buckets ("alt-right"; "Q'Anon"; or whatever other bullshit poisoned well constructs manufactured as honeypots to lure a percentage of these 'outsiders', but these are not the groups of people I'm referencing. You are presuming based on your confined perceptions).
A projection on your part.
You have been fooled, and can't seem to resolve the fact that others are simply of a different mind altogether; they may have been fooled previously, but have resolved not to be fooled again, at least not by loyalty to some faulty 'authority figure', and as such will not fall into any of the pop (or pop 'alternative') culture buckets that define your rather narrow world view.
This is NOT to suggest these outliers won't get things wrong or at times be led astray. All humans are fallible. But they apply discernment at all times by default, do not blindly trust by default, and are always willing to recalibrate and adjust as new data and info comes to light, refining and adjusting perspectives and world views along the way.
They are Non-tribal. And their numbers will continue to grow.
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 4:58 am
by DrEvil
Spoken like a true tribe member.
Re: The Horror of the situation*... Mask Rituals.
Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 1:23 pm
by Belligerent Savant
Yes, perhaps I'm in the tribe that deludes oneself as being 'non-tribal'. There is always that possibility.
In Charles Upton's 2018 book, Dugin Against Dugin, Upton describes a kind of magical "creative visualization" that either rejects an object metaphysical order entirely, or is blind to the need to conform to order as "the precondition for any spiritually-based action" (Upton, p. 160). Either God is dead or He's irrelevant, or else He is the competition. The postmodernist Mage gets to intone the word of the new Aeon, reality be damned.
Upton argues that magical thinking of this sort has become "a central praxis in a post-structuralist world." The notion that belief is a tool, he continues, "that the use of words is not primarily to express truth but rather to make things happen, is obviously also an integral part not only of the craft of magic but of the practice of politics-- right, left or center, green, red or blue in today's world" (ibid). Grammar magic and spellcraft-- in the beginning was the word, and the word was a command (let there be light).
This is also a good description of computing and the function of code. It is not quite "first build it, then pray," but rather that prayer is an essential component in the building of (the ritual of entering) the virtual realms. Computer code doesn't actually describe or express anything real, but it's becoming more and more efficient at causing things to happen (html code, CGI, and so on). Insofar as it can be made operational, it brings about changes in what we recognize as "reality"-- and how we recognize it. If we are living in a "post-truth" world, it is because belief has become a tool to generate artificial realities rather than a conduit to understanding objective reality. This latter is accordingly rendered obsolete, along with God and Patriarchy. Truth then becomes nothing more than whatever people can be persuaded to believe. (Such as that an untested form of genetic hacking via experimental nano-technological implants is a safe and necessary cure to a virus that has never even been successfully isolated.)
There is a curious void at the center of this circle. Belief in magic is necessary to make magic effective. Magic is a tool, or a method, for manipulating perception that can thereby "restructure reality." Yet a reality that can be restructured by human whim throws into doubt the very possibility of objective reality. This ideology is self-confirming but also self-contradicting. It depends on affirming the belief that there is no objective, eternal reality, that there is no higher spiritual principle outside of the temporary and the subjective.
The above is an apt/astute description of our current times. It explains the mindsets of the fervent materialists of today, in contrast to the spiritualists and/or agnostics.
'What is true' increasingly doesn't matter, or is actively being sabotaged, in this current era. (Try to get a politician or mainstream talking head to define a 'woman', as just one example)
But still, there will be those that will resist these forms of attempted mental & physical tyrrany.
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:24 pm