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Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:09 am

Brave New World as non-fiction.

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‘I’m 28. And I’m Scheduled to Die in May.’

Some right-to-die activists want everyone to have access to euthanasia—even young people with mental illness. Are they also making suicide contagious?


By Rupa Subramanya

April 1, 2024

Zoraya ter Beek, 28, expects to be euthanized in early May.

Her plan, she said, is to be cremated.

“I did not want to burden my partner with having to keep the grave tidy,” ter Beek texted me. “We have not picked an urn yet, but that will be my new house!”

She added an urn emoji after “house!”

Ter Beek, who lives in a little Dutch town near the German border, once had ambitions to become a psychiatrist, but she was never able to muster the will to finish school or start a career. She said she was hobbled by her depression and autism and borderline personality disorder. Now she was tired of living—despite, she said, being in love with her boyfriend, a 40-year-old IT programmer, and living in a nice house with their two cats.

She recalled her psychiatrist telling her that they had tried everything, that “there’s nothing more we can do for you. It’s never gonna get any better.”

At that point, she said, she decided to die. “I was always very clear that if it doesn’t get better, I can’t do this anymore.”

As if to advertise her hopelessness, ter Beek has a tattoo of a “tree of life” on her upper left arm, but “in reverse.”

“Where the tree of life stands for growth and new beginnings,” she texted, “my tree is the opposite. It is losing its leaves, it is dying. And once the tree died, the bird flew out of it. I don’t see it as my soul leaving, but more as myself being freed from life.”

Her liberation, as it were, will take place at her home. “No music,” she said. “I will be going on the couch in the living room.”

She added: “The doctor really takes her time. It is not that they walk in and say: lay down please! Most of the time it is first a cup of coffee to settle the nerves and create a soft atmosphere. Then she asks if I am ready. I will take my place on the couch. She will once again ask if I am sure, and she will start up the procedure and wish me a good journey. Or, in my case, a nice nap, because I hate it if people say, ‘Safe journey.’ I’m not going anywhere.”

Then the doctor will administer a sedative, followed by a drug that will stop ter Beek’s heart.

When she’s dead, a euthanasia review committee will evaluate her death to ensure the doctor adhered to “due care criteria,” and the Dutch government will (almost certainly) declare that the life of Zoraya ter Beek was lawfully ended.

She’s asked her boyfriend to be with her to the very end.

There won’t be any funeral. She doesn’t have much family; she doesn’t think her friends will feel like going. Instead, her boyfriend will scatter her ashes in “a nice spot in the woods” that they have chosen together, she said.

“I’m a little afraid of dying, because it’s the ultimate unknown,” she said. “We don’t really know what’s next—or is there nothing? That’s the scary part.”

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Ter Beek is one of a growing number of people across the West choosing to end their lives rather than live in pain. Pain that, in many cases, can be treated.

Typically, when we think of people who are considering assisted suicide, we think of people facing terminal illness. But this new group is suffering from other syndromes—depression or anxiety exacerbated, they say, by economic uncertainty, the climate, social media, and a seemingly limitless array of fears and disappointments.

“I’m seeing euthanasia as some sort of acceptable option brought to the table by physicians, by psychiatrists, when previously it was the ultimate last resort,” Stef Groenewoud, a healthcare ethicist at Theological University Kampen, in the Netherlands, told me. “I see the phenomenon especially in people with psychiatric diseases, and especially young people with psychiatric disorders, where the healthcare professional seems to give up on them more easily than before.”

Theo Boer, a healthcare ethics professor at Protestant Theological University in Groningen, served for a decade on a euthanasia review board in the Netherlands. “I entered the review committee in 2005, and I was there until 2014,” Boer told me. “In those years, I saw the Dutch euthanasia practice evolve from death being a last resort to death being a default option.” He ultimately resigned.

Boer had in mind people like Zoraya ter Beek—who, critics argue, have been tacitly encouraged to kill themselves by laws that destigmatize suicide, a social media culture that glamorizes it, and radical right-to-die activists who insist we should be free to kill ourselves whenever our lives are “complete.”

They have fallen victim, in critics’ eyes, to a kind of suicide contagion.

Statistics suggest these critics have a point.

In 2001, the Netherlands became the first country in the world to make euthanasia legal. Since then, the number of people who increasingly choose to die is startling.

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Ter Beek’s medical necklace says ‘Do not resuscitate.’
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby BenDhyan » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:58 am

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Typically, when we think of people who are considering assisted suicide, we think of people facing terminal illness. But this new group is suffering from other syndromes—depression or anxiety exacerbated, they say, by economic uncertainty, the climate, social media, and a seemingly limitless array of fears and disappointments.

There you have it. people considering killing themselves over fear of climate change. :ohno:

And I think that for people facing a certified terminal painful illness, the term is euthanasia, but for those suffering from 'other syndromes', it would be considered suicide.
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby DrEvil » Sat Jun 22, 2024 5:42 pm

I don't see the problem. It's not like they have Stop'n'Drop suicide booths on street corners or anything. The woman in the OP has been through years of treatments and assessments, and nothing has worked, so why shouldn't she be allowed to die peacefully if that's what she wants?
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jun 23, 2024 6:59 pm

There is a difference between not prosecuting her and whoever helps her and pushing in the needle yourself.

While anybody should be able to kill themselves with the help of their loved ones if they solemnly declare this intention, go through a waiting period, and once again formally reiterate this intention, states should restrict state-executed MAID to people who have terminal illnesses. I don't get what is supposed to be problematic about this.
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby DrEvil » Mon Jun 24, 2024 4:17 pm

I can see one problem with that. If you limit official assistance to terminal cases but still allow non-terminal cases to do it on their own, you're leaving it up to them and their loved ones to figure it out. At the very least doctors should be allowed to take part if the patient wants it and they've been through the approval process/waiting period, to make sure they use the correct drugs (and have access to the drugs in the first place) in the correct doses, etc. If you have the right to die you should also have the right to do it the right way with the right assistance, terminal or not.
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:23 pm

DrEvil » 24 Jun 2024 20:17 wrote:I can see one problem with that. If you limit official assistance to terminal cases but still allow non-terminal cases to do it on their own, you're leaving it up to them and their loved ones to figure it out. At the very least doctors should be allowed to take part if the patient wants it and they've been through the approval process/waiting period, to make sure they use the correct drugs (and have access to the drugs in the first place) in the correct doses, etc. If you have the right to die you should also have the right to do it the right way with the right assistance, terminal or not.


So you don't think that the free market is as capable of killing sad people as effectively and efficiently as the government?
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby DrEvil » Thu Jun 27, 2024 2:54 pm

Now you're just being an ass, and I think you're being cruel if you want to have legal assisted suicide with different standards depending on the reason for wanting to die. How are people supposed to get their hands on the drugs, and make sure they're administering them correctly? Back alley dealers? Youtube guides? Or should they just get a prescription for sleeping pills and down them all with a shot of whiskey and hope for the best? Maybe Amazon can sell suicide kits (because suicides for profit isn't going to have any unintended consequences at all). Same day delivery!

And should it be up to their loved ones to do the actual killing? That's not going to traumatize anyone at all. And if so, who decides the standard and make sure you follow it? How do you know you're doing something legal as opposed to murder? And how do you prevent people from murdering family members in their care who didn't actually want to die? I'm pretty sure the free market isn't the answer to any of the above.*

So you don't think that the free market is as capable of killing sad people as effectively and efficiently as the government?


I'm sure they are, but adding a profit motive is spectacularly fucking stupid.

* The free market isn't the answer to anything to do with healthcare, but that's a different thread.

Edit: just realized you said "killing sad people". Wow. Let me guess, people with clinical depression should just lighten up?
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Re: Euthanasia to treat Depression.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:46 am

Belligerent Savant » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:45 am wrote:.

This is inevitable - the incremental progress of a Death Cult / Power Structure that has led many off cliffs. Many don't even realize it until they feel themselves falling to their End.

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The anonymized case is one of several highlighted in a series of reports issued by a 16-member MAID death review committee struck by Ontario’s chief coroner’s office in January.

Identified as “Mr. A,” the man experienced “suffering and functional decline” following three vaccinations for SARS-CoV-2. He also suffered from depression, post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety and personality disorders, and, “while navigating his physical symptoms,” was twice admitted to hospital, once involuntarily, with thoughts of suicide.

“Amongst his multiple specialists, no unifying diagnosis was confirmed,” according to the report. However, his MAID assessors “opined that the most reasonable diagnosis for Mr. A’s clinical presentation (severe functional decline) was a post-vaccine syndrome, in keeping with chronic fatigue syndrome.”

There were no “pathological findings” at a post-mortem that could identify any underlying physiological diagnosis, though people’s experiences can’t be discounted just because medicine can’t find what’s wrong with them.

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