Who Poisoned Alexander Litvinenko? Radioactive thallium link

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Postby Gouda » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:18 am

I'm thinking the cold war was not what is was and that whatever it was has not ended, just adjusted. My 3 cents partially backs the gelling consensus summed up here by slow dazzle:
This seems to be aimed at causing trouble for Putin rather than vice versa.


On the other hand, if you cause trouble for Putin, you are inviting trouble for yourself in three ways: retaliation, blowback, and karma. But I guess that's the deal these assholes signed up for.

Consider this: Oil leverage - advantage Putin; Media propaganda - advantage "the west." The timing of the EU-Russia summit is important, I think. Though I don't buy the angle that drawing attention to Litvinenko's exposes of Putin's self-inflicted terror operations, pedo predilections and assassination would shock or sway anyone in power in Europe. At the important levels, they are aware of these things (as slow dazzle mentions in her/his last.) But in these meetings, politicians can appeal to "public perception" as a strong card in their deck. If "western" public perception is that Putin's Russia is a tyrannical, conspiratorial terrorist state (which it is), it aids anglo-american-eu negotiators, whether they care about these facts or not - probably not, since they themselves are involved in the very same things as Putin. Thus they can count on the fact that the necessary media attention will focus on the conspiratorial nature of all things "over there," rather than on the stuff under their own hoods. Advantage: The West. Never mind all the spooky back channels and deals ensuing.

As HMW speculates, perhaps it was indeed a self-hit-job contracted out at the behest of the CIA / M16 / anti-Putin / Russian oligarch mafia ex-pat crowd, the same pals Litvinenko had been running with, with some degree of plausible deniability built-in. Run with a dirty crowd, don't be surprised they sacrifice you to achieve aims you had also supported.

I would just add that this does not preclude the likelihood that Putin's boys really are/were out to get Litvinenko and pals, with much more subtle plans in place. Only Litvinenko's pals pre-empted Putin's plans by offing one of their own in a very deliberate way.

Professor Mario Scaramella's very detailed and generous account of events at lunch with Litvinenko seem suspiciously calculated.

"I was with him for maybe 30-45 minutes. We were downstairs and there were no other people there.

"I had already had lunch so I had nothing to eat - and had a glass of water.

"Mr Litvinenko had some fish from a buffet and some soup was brought to us. He personally took his food from the buffet. I paid for the bill, as I recall it was about £17."

(...)

He also described how there was a strong connection between the Russian Mafia and the former KGB as well as their replacement intelligence service the FSB and SVR.


But on a deeper, darker level, something else is going on which is hard to grasp. Maybe the pedo thing, as Jeff posted, is a deeper undercurrent, serving to balance the blackmail on all sides of this Coldcorpse War.

They are ALL dirty bastards all of 'em with plans concocted and guns aimed at each other to cover and manage their abuse of regular people like us. Why do Xymphora and Justin Raimondo appear to take sides on this?
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Postby Sweejak » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:23 pm

Well, I think it's like with Chavez, whom many see as a hero or the Kennedys. Maybe they are. For me Kennedy is, about others I'm not sure. People take sides.

It's easy to take Bushbashing as conclusive evidence that they are on your side which may not necessarily be true. If they appear as if they are on your side a natural bias tends to forgive them.

But I think anyone at these levels has to be capable of playing very dirty.

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Postby Gouda » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:01 pm

Putin's first response?

Russia sends missiles to Iran
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast ... index.html

MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- Russia has begun delivery of Tor-M1 air defense missile systems to Iran, a Defense Ministry official said Friday, confirming that Moscow would proceed with arms deals with Tehran in spite of U.S. criticism.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue, declined to specify when the deliveries had been made and how many systems had been delivered.

Ministry officials have previously said Moscow would supply 29 of the sophisticated missile systems to Iran under a $700 million (565 million euros) contract, according to Russian media reports.

The United States called on all countries last spring to stop all arms exports to Iran, as well as ending all nuclear cooperation with it to put pressure on Tehran to halt uranium enrichment activities (...)
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more evidence that it was not Putin

Postby slow_dazzle » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:22 pm

First, look at this article dated 23/11 on how important energy issues are>>>

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And the former KGB officer has shown that he intends to use these resources to restore pride in Russia, which suffered in the years after the downfall of communism.

The bad news for Britain is that two of our largest oil companies, BP and Shell, which between them have invested more than £10 billion in Russia, are in the firing line as Putin attempts to get Russia a larger slice of the action. But the treatment meted out to Shell and BP pales into insignificance compared with the brutal way it treated Ukraine last year.

In the midst of negotiations on raising gas prices, the Russians suddenly cut supplies to Ukraine. This was devastating for Ukraine, but also for the rest of Europe, which relies on Russian gas coming through Ukraine's pipelines.

</snip>

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing- ... _page_id=3

The second article reveals much about western displeasure with Russian supplies of armaments to Iran. Couple that with Russia's reluctance to support UN sanctions and it seems fairly clear that Russia is not regarded as a friend by the west. Think of Russia emerging as a power to rival the US and thus able to compete for dwindling energy supplies...

Edit - didn't notice that Gouda had already posted the contents of this article linked through another url - kudos to Gouda for seeing it first.

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Russia has begun delivery of Tor-M1 air defense missile systems to Iran, a Defense Ministry official said Friday, confirming that Moscow would proceed with arms deals with Tehran in spite of Western criticism.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue, declined to specify when the deliveries had been made and how many systems had been delivered.

Ministry officials have previously said Moscow would supply 29 of the sophisticated missile systems to Iran under a $700 million contract signed in December, according to Russian media reports.

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/24/D8LJFE002.html

It is interesting that Iran recently test fired sophisticated missiles right at the time of the big naval exercises being conducted in the Persian Gulf. The missiles were very sophisticated and of a type that the western intelligence agencies did not know the Iranians possessed. Wonder where they got them and, more importantly, why they were given them? Answers on a postcard please.

I've said this countless times - it's not about greedy war profiteers; their profiteering is a concomitant to the real reasons for this war - energy supplies.

I have other information that is an inference more than anything but it clinched it for me. Keeping it to myself though.
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Postby Sweejak » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:54 pm

They have had the Sunburn for a long time, as has China. I've verified with a Navy Commander that there is no defense against this missile, (well, as far as he knows) which is now outdated. You have to wonder why we have 4 Carriers in the Gulf. Sitting ducks waiting for a "mistake".
FYI, FWIW,Vialls on the Sunburn:
http://www.vialls.com/myahudi/sunburn.html


Also, and I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm seeing a parallel of Litvinenko and Malachi Richter the man who set himself on fire in Chicago (under a sculpture titled "The Flame of the Millenium" on the Kennedy exit ramp) But first I would like to verify the BBC Monitor report of this:
... It is also worth recalling the revelations made by Vladimir Solovyev [Russian NTV journalist], to whom Boris Abramovich talked about a "ritual sacrifice", arguing that at least one prominent oppositionist had to be eliminated in order to cast a shadow on Putin.

LONDON (Reuters)

... Litvinenko's friend Alexander Goldfarb said Litvinenko dictated the statement on November 21 and signed it in the presence of his wife. Following is a transcript of his statement, as read out by Goldfarb in front of the hospital where he died:

"I would like to thank many people. My doctors, nurses and hospital staff for doing all they can for me. The British police who are pursuing my case with vigour and professionalism and are watching over me and my family.

"I would like to thank the British government for taking me under their care. I am honoured to be a British citizen. I would like to thank the British public for their messages of support and for the interest they have shown in my plight.

"I thank my wife Marina, who has stood by me. My love for her and for our son knows no bounds.

"But as I lie here, I can distinctly hear the beatings of wings of the angel of death. I may be able to give him the slip, but I have to say my legs do not run as fast as I would like.

"I think, therefore, that this may be the time to say one or two things to the person responsible for my present illness.

"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed. You have shown yourself to have no respect for life, liberty or any civilised value. You have shown yourself to be unworthy of your office, to be unworthy of the trust of civilised men and women.

"You may succeed in silencing one man. But a howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life.

"May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me, but to beloved Russia and its people."

Signed, Alexander Litvinenko.



Litvinenko condemned the Russian leader for what he had done to "beloved Russia and its people".


I'm pretty sure most Russians feel the exact opposite.
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Marina...Marina....I've heard this name before.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:57 pm

Sweejak wrote:
"I thank my wife Marina, who has stood by me. My love for her and for our son knows no bounds.

"But as I lie here, I can distinctly hear the beatings of wings of the angel of death. I may be able to give him the slip, but I have to say my legs do not run as fast as I would like.

"I think, therefore, that this may be the time to say one or two things to the person responsible for my present illness.

"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed. You have shown yourself to have no respect for life, liberty or any civilised value. You have shown yourself to be unworthy of your office, to be unworthy of the trust of civilised men and women.

"You may succeed in silencing one man. But a howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life.

"May God forgive you for what you have done, not only to me, but to beloved Russia and its people."

Signed,


...Signed, Lee Harvey Oswald.

Another 'Soviet agent' with a wife named Marina offed by the Big Bad Bear?
The Cold War themes really are still going and this is while the new James Bond movie is out spinning 9/11 themes and casino themes but without Jack Abramoff.

Now media coverage has become 'To Russia With (out) Love.'

The missiles for Iran angle and badjacketing Putin with the death of one of his sexiest critics is obviously a motive for this act in the 100 Year Oil War.

And on the 43rd anniversay of the false-flag murder of JFK we just watched a rerun of the Oswald enigma.

When big stories sparkle in front of us they are:
1) Meant to be seen.
2) Meant to accomplish several things at once to hide each goal.
3) Are reinforced with multi-media atmospherics to lead us to desired conclusions
in order that we best internalize and 'own' them.

This year's anniversary of the CIA murder of JFK has had a number of mirroring keyword events which I wondered about in this thread --

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=9376
(Many Weird Bushco "Accidents" in the last 48 hours)
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Postby Sweejak » Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:12 pm

Most interesting Hugh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6180682.stm
Radiation found after spy's death.


How convenient.

How come Berezovsky is on Interpol's wanted list yet he gets to deliver oranges to Litvinenko, and stay by his bedside as he writes a goodby note?

If you were wanted by Interpol do you think they'd allow you the same convenience?

The Associated Press

PARIS — Interpol has backed Russian arrest warrants for self-exiled tycoon Boris Berezovsky and several other criminal suspects wanted in Russia, Itar-Tass reported.

Deputy Interior Minister Andrei Novikov said Interpol’s move would provide Russia with “additional arguments for nations giving shelter to those who are being sought,” Itar-Tass reported late Thursday.

An official at Interpol’s Paris headquarters said in a telephone interview that the agency had just ended the legal review of its so-called “red notices” related to Russia — Interpol notifications to member countries that the country in question has issued an arrest warrant.

The legal review of the notices, conducted following a legal challenge, has concluded that there are no problems with them, said the Interpol official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

He said that the hold on the notices was therefore lifted. The official would not say on what basis the Russian warrants had been challenged.

Itar-Tass said the Interpol red notices referred to Berezovsky, his associate Yuly Dubov, Yukos shareholder Leonid Nevzlin, Yukos chief legal expert Mikhail Gololobov and Menatep bank department head Natalya Chernysheva.


Where was the 24/7 uproar about this?
Ex-aide: Israeli assassin poisoned Arafat in ear
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47434
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Postby AlicetheCurious » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:31 am

Thanks, Hugh, for having the guts to point out that "Marina" coincidence. When I saw it, I instinctively thought, "EXCUSE me?", but then told myself to calm down, there must be millions of "Marinas" in Russia and the former USSR. I still don't know what I make of this, but it's nice to know I'm not the only one who reacted.

When big stories sparkle in front of us they are:
1) Meant to be seen.
2) Meant to accomplish several things at once to hide each goal.
3) Are reinforced with multi-media atmospherics to lead us to desired conclusions
in order that we best internalize and 'own' them.


Very true. It's insultingly obvious what the ptb think of us sheep, all it takes is a simple comparison of the almost identical stories that rock the world, and those that are quietly ignored. So, Rafiq al-Hariri's death provokes global and UN security council condemnation, and a special UN investigation. Yasser Arafat's death by poisoning provokes stonewalling and silence behind a media blackout.

Saddam Hussein's war crimes were big news sometimes, no news at others, depending on his relations with the Americans. The Indonesian military massacred around 200,000 East Timorese without rating one article in the Western media, but the death of one Israeli at the hands of any Palestinian or Arab is big global news. The US and Israel both have huge nuclear arsenals that are not subject to inspections by the IAEA -- but when did anybody ever see this mentioned in any mainstream media? Ever? Instead, the media focus on "Iran's Nuclear Threat", not at all constrained by the lack of any evidence whatsoever behind such blaring headlines.

So, when a story is trumpeted all over the place the way this one has been, the smart question is: "Who is behind this story, and what message are they peddling?"
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Celebrity deaths.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:56 am

AlicetheCurious wrote: It's insultingly obvious what the ptb think of us sheep, all it takes is a simple comparison of the almost identical stories that rock the world, and those that are quietly ignored.
.....
So, when a story is trumpeted all over the place the way this one has been, the smart question is: "Who is behind this story, and what message are they peddling?"


The murder of Slobodan Milisevic went by quickly in the US, too. But the Russians kicked that one up as long as they could.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/03/14/wslob14.xml

Russians seek second autopsy on Milosevic

By Neil Tweedie in The Hague
(Filed: 14/03/2006)

Russian pathologists have asked to carry out a second post mortem examination on the body of Slobodan Milosevic following suggestions that the former president of Yugoslavia died after being poisoned.

Four Russian specialists were expected to arrive in The Hague as early as last night with Milosevic's son Marko, who lives in exile in Moscow.

Marko Milosevic will take charge of his father's body after its release by Dutch pathologists who conducted the first post mortem examination on Sunday. The Russian team will make its request for a second examination today, and ask for medical files kept by Dutch doctors.

Serb lawyers representing the family also released the last letter written by Milosevic, in which he informed the Russian foreign ministry of his belief that he was being poisoned. A day later he was dead.

Milosevic's body was discovered in his cell at the United Nations prison in Scheveningen on the outskirts of The Hague on Saturday. His death cut short his four-year trial at the international criminal tribunal for genocide and other war crimes committed during the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo.

The Dutch autopsy concluded that he suffered a heart attack, but toxicology tests were not expected to be completed until today. Suspicion about the cause of death has arisen because of a blood test in January which showed that Milosevic had consumed a quantity of the antibiotic rifampicin, which could have counteracted the medication he was taking for heart disease and high blood pressure.

In the letter, dated March 8, he expressed frustration that he been denied permission to travel to Russia for medical treatment because he might abscond.

He wrote: "I think that the persistence with which medical treatment in Russia was denied in the first place is motivated by the fear that through careful examination it would be discovered that there were active, wilful steps taken to destroy my health throughout the proceedings of the trial, which could not be hidden from Russian specialists."

Milosevic then cited the result of a blood test carried out on Jan 12 but not delivered to him until March 7, which showed the presence of rifampicin which can be used to treat leprosy. Milosevic claimed that he had taken no antibiotics during his five-year incarceration.

He went on: "Those who foist on me a drug against leprosy surely can't treat my illness; likewise, those against whom I defended my country in times of war and who have an interest to silence me."

Milosivic concluded his letter by writing: "I'm addressing you in expectation that you help me defend my health from the criminal activities in this institution, working under the sign of the UN, and that I be enabled as soon as possible to get adequate treatment in your hospital"

His beyond-the-grave suspicions were echoed yesterday by the Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov, who said he did not fully trust the Dutch autopsy.

But the Dutch toxicologist Donald Uges, who examined Milosevic's blood two weeks ago because his blood pressure remained high, said he believed that the Serbian leader had taken the rifampicin himself to make himself ill and secure an escape from his trial.

"I am sure he took the medicine himself because he wanted a one-way ticket to Moscow," said Dr Uges.

Meanwhile, preparations were under way for Milosevic's funeral in Belgrade.

The Serbian authorities have refused a state funeral. Today will see the final episode in the Milosevic trial when the three judges wind up proceedings. All the protagonists will be there except the main one who will be represented only by an empty chair.

• The drug rifampicin is a powerful antibiotic that is also known for diminishing the effectiveness of other medications. Also called rifampin, this prescription drug is used to treat a range of bacterial infections, including tuberculosis, leprosy and Legionnaire's disease.
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Dead Russian Spy was israeli Double Agent

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:08 pm

sorry if this has already been posted, limited time and haven't read through all

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/153

Russian ex-spy Alexander Litvinenko passed documents to former Yukos CEO in Israel months before his death . . .

November 25, 2006, 9:10 AM (GMT+02:00)

Leonid Nevzlin, former CEO of the oil giant and current chairman of the Diaspora Museum in Tel Aviv, says the former Russian spy came to Israel with classified documents on Yukos which may be damaging to Russian leaders. Nevzliln estimates that Litvinenko’s death was connected with this information, which he has handed to London police investigators of the murder.

DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources add that the Russian ex-spy is believed to have been a double agent, who sold trade secrets to different parties in and outside Russia, among them some of the Russian oligarchs living in exile in the West. Livinenko served as a colonel in a Russian Federal Security Services unit which investigated and carried out special operations against businessmen.

British police found traces of the radioactive Polonium 210 in Litvinenko’s urine.

The London media accuse Vladimir Putin of being behind the murder which they claim was politically-motivated.
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Spy death linked to nuclear thefts

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:59 pm

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/ ... 79,00.html


Mark Townsend, Antony Barnett and Tom Parfitt
Sunday November 26, 2006
The Observer


An investigation was under way last night into Russia's black market trade in radioactive materials amid concern that significant quantities of polonium 210, the substance that killed former spy Alexander Litvinenko, are being stolen from poorly protected Russian nuclear sites.
As British police drew up a list of witnesses for questioning over the death, experts warned that thefts from nuclear facilities in the former Soviet Union were a major problem.

A senior source at the United Nations nuclear inspectorate, the International Atomic Energy Agency, told The Observer he had no doubt that the killing of Litvinenko was an 'organised operation' which bore all the hallmarks of a foreign intelligence agency. The expert in radioactive materials said the ability to obtain polonium 210 and the knowledge needed to use it to kill Litvinenko meant that the attack could not have been carried out by a 'lone assassin'.

Suggestions that the death may have involved some form of state sponsorship were being investigated by MI5 and MI6 who are looking at theories that foreign agents may have been behind the death of Litvinenko. Scotland Yard has asked the Kremlin for help with its inquiries, though Russia has dismissed any involvement in the death as 'absurd'. Litvinenko received British citizenship this month.
A senior British security source said they were providing the police with material in 'hostile intelligence agencies' operating in the UK, including those from Russia. He said: 'Russia has never really decreased its activity in the UK from the end of the Cold War.'

Privately, however, there is deep scepticism in Whitehall about whether the Putin administration would be willing to risk a crisis in British-Russian relations by directly authorising an assassination of a British citizen on British soil, particularly using a method that might involve other Britons being contaminated. The two countries are currently engaged in delicate negotiations over energy security.

More than anything, the death of the London-based former KGB spy has placed Russia's still thriving trade in radioactive material under scrutiny. 'From the terrorism threat standpoint, these cases are of little concern but they show security vulnerabilities at facilities,' said an IAEA spokesman.

One of the few figures available, on a database compiled by researchers at Stanford University in the US, revealed that about 40kg of weapons-usable uranium and plutonium were stolen from poorly protected nuclear facilities in the former Soviet Union between 1991 and 2002. Although the IAEA has no confirmation of polonium finding its way into the underground trade, there have been several unconfirmed reports of thefts.

In 1993 the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists reported that 10kg of polonium had disappeared from the Sarov, which produces the rare radioactive material and is described as Russia's own version of Los Alamos, the US government's nuclear research base in New Mexico.

Globally there have been more than 300 cases during the past four years where individuals have been caught trying to smuggle radioactive material. In 2005 there were 103 confirmed incidents of trafficking and other unauthorised activities involving nuclear and radioactive materials, many involving Russia.

In one incident, in the remote west of former Soviet Georgia, a group of woodsmen found two capsules of the material which was emitting heat in a forest. They used them to keep warm at night but soon developed acute radiation sickness. The capsules turned out to be the highly radioactive strontium 90 core of a nuclear generator from a long abandoned aircraft navigation beacon.

Meanwhile in Britain, Cobra, No 10's crisis committee, met again yesterday to discuss emerging findings in the police investigation and in public health.

The Foreign Office held a meeting on Friday with the Russian ambassador to request full co-operation from the Russian government in the police investigation, including making witnesses available. Officials from the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment in Aldermaston, Berkshire, and Porton Down, the government's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory, near Salisbury, Wiltshire, were trying last night to track down the precise source of the polonium 210 that killed Litvinenko.

No date has been set for a post mortem examination on Litvinenko until a risk assessment is carried out to see if it is safe to perform the procedure, and if so, what precautions would be necessary.
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Postby OnoI812 » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:38 pm

Why would Putin off this guy and draw worldwide attention to him and his theories?

Not a smart move by Pootie poot...
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Petrol war...

Postby Iroquois » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:53 pm

I thought these articles might be of interest to those following Russia's actions in the global war for access and control of oil and natural gas resources. In the spirit of data-dumping, I am including the full text of the articles.

Georgia looks to Shahdeniz gas to overcome Russian blockade
Thursday, November 23, 2006

Turkish and Georgian prime ministers are meeting today to discuss the possibility of Georgia obtaining additional supplies from Azerbaijan's Shahdeniz gas field, which will soon be sending gas to Turkey


FATMA DEMİRELLİ

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News

Georgia, facing a looming deadline from Russia to increase the price of natural gas or see gas supplies cut off, is looking to Azerbaijan's Shahdeniz gas fields as an alternative to cover the shortage that could arise in the coming weeks and is seeking Turkey's active support in the process, officials said.

Georgian Prime Minister Zurab Nogaideli, accompanied by his Energy Minister Nikoloz Gilauri, is expected to meet today with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo'an here, on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting. Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül, Energy Minister Hilmi Güler and State Minister K'�r�ad Tüzmen are also expected to accompany Erdo'an for the meeting.

One of the key issues to be raised at the meeting is a possible accord that would pave the way for Georgia to obtain additional gas supplies from Azerbaijan's Shahdeniz gas fields. A pipeline set to transfer gas from Shahdeniz to Turkey via Georgia is due to soon become operational.

"We are negotiating with the Turkish side the possibility of getting some additional gas from Shahdeniz," Georgian Ambassador to Turkey Grigol Mgaloblishvili told the Turkish Daily News. "This is not solely an economic issue. It has political and strategic aspects."

Georgia complains a Russian decision to increase the price of the gas it sells to the southern Caucasus country to $230 per 1,000 cubic meters, up from $110, as of 2007 is a politically motivated move meant to exert political control over it. President Mikhail Saakashvili and other top Georgian officials have repeatedly said that they were not to increase the price.

Russia's energy giant Gazprom said it would stop deliveries to Georgia on Jan. 1, 2007, if a new contract with the new price is not signed by then.

A pipeline transporting natural gas from Azerbaijan's Shahdeniz field known as the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipeline is expected to become operational as early as the end of this year.

Turkish, Azerbaijani and Georgian officials discussed the possibility of Georgia obtaining additional supplies from Shahdeniz in July, when they met in Turkey to launch the opening of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline, which runs parallel to the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum gas route, and there was political good will on all sides towards the idea, sources said.

Mgaloblishvili said there was no scheduled trilateral meeting that would involve Georgian, Turkish and Azerbaijani officials to discuss the issue, although he did not rule out the possibility that it could take place in the near future.

He said Tbilisi was discussing the issue with Turkish and Azerbaijani authorities on a continuous basis.

Stable deliveries of Azerbaijani gas from Shahdeniz can free Georgia, whose annual requirement for natural gas is estimated at about 1.5 billion cubic meters, from dependence on Russia for its gas needs.

Georgia is also exploring other alternatives, including Iran, to overcome the looming shortage that would hit its economy as early as Jan. 1, 2007.

Mgaloblishvili said further improvement in Georgian-Turkish trade ties would be another top issue on the agenda of the prime ministerial talks today in Istanbul. More specifically, the top officials are expected to discuss a proposed free trade agreement and an ongoing process for finalizing a preferential trade agreement.

Operationalization of the Batumi airport for the joint use of the two countries is also expected to be discussed at the meeting.

Turkey is a regional ally for Georgia and supports the country's aspirations for integration with NATO, something that Russia views with deep suspicion.


On Tuesday, Yi'it Alpogan, the head of the Turkey's National Security Council (MGK) said after talks with Saakashvili and other officials in Tbilisi that Turkey did not seek mediation in the Georgian-Russian dispute over the breakaway Abkhazia region but added that it was ready to act as a "facilitator," according to the Anatolia news agency.

Georgia accuses Russia of supporting the separatist leadership in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Relations between Turkey and Russia have improved drastically, with trade booming and political cooperation on regional issues beginning to take root.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=59838


Explosion hits trunk pipeline in North Ossetia
11:17 | 24/ 11/ 2006

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ROSTOV-ON-DON, November 24 (RIA Novosti) - An explosion has occurred along a trunk pipeline in Russia's North Caucasus republic of North Ossetia supplying Russian natural gas to Georgia and Armenia, the emergencies ministry said Friday.

A spokesman for the ministry said the explosion damaged one of two pipelines in the North Caucasus-Transcaucasus trunk pipeline, and that technicians were working to restore gas deliveries through the undamaged pipe.

The explosion is not the first to hit the pipeline this year. In January, two blasts disrupted natural gas deliveries to the ex-Soviet republics of Georgia and Armenia for three days, at a time when weather conditions were particularly severe.

Georgian authorities claimed the explosions were a deliberate act of sabotage by Russia intended to force the nation into surrendering its pipelines to the Russian state-owned monopoly Gazprom.

However, Russia dismissed the accusations, saying the explosions were the work of Chechen terrorists. The Kremlin had previously claimed that Georgia was aiding the Chechens.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061124/55944921.html
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:54 pm

The several goals for the high-drama radiaton poisoning of an ex-KGB Putin critic are emerging.

1) Generating hostility to Putin as he arms Iran against the neocons.
2) Generating US domestic anxiety over the hotbutton word 'nuclear' in an attempt to whip up that all-important fear factor in civilians and a sense of Mission in the military-intellegence community.

I just heard Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir on an NPR station shoveling excrement about bin laden, Russian suitcase nukes arriving from Mexico, and Bush's efforts to "spread democracy."

Nuclear anxiety is directly transferrable to 9/11, Homeland inSecurity surveillance, and attacking Iran.


http://www.kqed.org/programs/program-landing-local.jsp?progID=RD19

Fri, Nov 24, 2006 -- 9:00 AM
Pakistani Journalist Hamid Mir
Forum talks to Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir, the only one to have interviewed Osama bin Laden after the events of September 11, 2001.
Host: Dave Iverson
Guests:
Hamid Mir, works for GEO TV, an independent Pakistani television channel, and also writes for the Jang Newspaper Group


Here's a webpage with Hamid Mir saying al-queda will nuke the US...two months ago. Oops. Didn't happen. Knock on wood.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184621.php

September 12, 2006
Al Qaeda Will Nuke US in Late September (update)

A Pakistani journalist says that his sources in al Qaeda and the Taliban are claiming that nuclear material has already been smuggled across the Mexican border into the U.S. and that an operation bigger than 9/11 will be carried out during Ramadan--which begins later this month.

Hamid Mir, who is the only journalist ever to interview both Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahiri, claims that he learned this information on a recent trip to Afghanistan last month.


So the word 'nuclear' is in the air but not the real thing, thankfully.
(Except for depleted uranium used by US forces, of course.)

More of Hamid Mir as lead mouthpiece for Emmanual Goldstein - I mean - al-Queda.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/10/hamid-mir-says-atta-tape-is-al-qaedas.html
Sunday, October 01, 2006
Hamid Mir Says Atta Tape Is Al Qaeda's Signal to Strike!

In early September Hamid Mir, the only person who has interviewed both Osama bin Laden and his second in command Ayman al Zawahiri since 9-11, reported that Al Qaeda was planning a nuclear attack inside the United States during Ramadan (September 24-October 23).

Today, Hamid Mir said that the Atta video was the signal to operatives to go ahead with the planned terror strike!


The Jawa Report posted this interview of Hamid Mir on the Glenn Beck Radio Show back on September 20.
This is what Hamid Mir said two weeks ago:

Hamir doesn't claim Adnan Al-Shukri Jumaa smuggled nukes across the southern border, he uses the phrase "dangerous materials." Wow, what a relief.

Reports that he was told that the terrorists working to carry out this attack are not using Muslim names, they are hiding behind Western sounding names and related documents, such as passports.

There is no timeframe for any attacks, inside U.S. or Afghanistan. Backs up 300 suicide bomber claim by saying that shortly after he returned to Pakistan, suicide attacks began in Afghanistan, which is true.

Say's that Osama has completed the "cycle of warnings." Under Islamic law, the defender is given three warnings before being attacked. Says that Osama is trying to legitimize his actions with Islamic scholars who criticized him for 9/11.
Doesn't believe they're bluffing. Said in earlier interviews with Osama, he didn't believe he'd ever strike America. He was proven wrong.

Once again says "very dangerous materials" have been smuggled over the border. Doesn't specify what.

HotAir posted the audio from the radio interview.

Hamid Mir also discussed Al Qaeda's nuclear arsenal during an interview with the Canada Free Press back in May:

RM: It has been reported that you believe Al-Qaeda has nuclear weapons. How did you come up with this conclusion?

HM: I came up with this conclusion after eight years of investigation and research in the remote mountain areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan. I traveled to Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Syria, Uzbekistan, and Russia and met dozens of people. I interviewed not only Al-Qaeda operatives but met scientists and top U.S. officials also. I will have the details in my coming book.

At least two Al-Qaeda operatives claimed that the organization smuggled suitcase nukes inside America. But I have no details on who did it. But I do have details about who smuggled uranium inside America and how.

I am very careful when speaking about Al-Qaeda’s nuclear capabilities. I’ve met many people in Al-Qaeda who have claimed that uranium and nuclear bombs were smuggled to America, and I’ll quote them in my book. However, when I speak for myself, I don’t rely on claims by Al-Qaeda. I rely upon my own investigations.

And, Clayton Cramer links to another Hamid Mir interview with Abu Dawood that is very concerning.

Today Hamid Mir said during a FOX News interview that the release of the Atta video was the signal for Al Qaeda operatives to strike!

More from FOX... "Bin Laden said a few years ago that he was saving Atta's last testament to release for a special occasion, Venzke said."

Sean Osborne, linked at Northeast intelligence Network, says the Zawahiri video on Friday is also indicative of planned terrorist operations in America or against American interests elsewhere in the world.
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Postby Sweejak » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:45 pm

Tarpley has some comments in his first hour of todays show.

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0611/200 ... rpley1.mp3

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