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Orgasms for Peace

Postby JD » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:44 pm

Can't hurt to try!

(Inevitable tasteless sexist title - "Having a Piece for Peace")

http://blogs.smh.com.au/newsblog/archives/global_grabs/008342.html

The earth might move, but will it bring peace?

John and Yoko held bed-ins back in the dark days of the Vietnam War when the hippie catchcry was: make love, not war. Now two veteran peace activists in California believe sex, specifically orgasms, can generate enough spiritual energy to bring peace.

If enough people around to world (as Lennon once sang) "Come Together" at the same time - not only will the Earth move, it will be enveloped in peace.

Orgasmic organisers Donna Sheehan and Paul Reffell have made headlines before. A few years back, the San Francisco couple got groups of women to spell out the word "peace" and make peace signs with formations of their naked bodies.

The photos of these stunts were printed around the world.

Now the pair have set up a new movement: Global Orgasm for Peace.
The idea is as simple: ask millions of couples on the December 22 Solstice (the longest day in the southern hemisphere and the shortest in the north) to lie back and think of peace (not just England).

This will change "the energy field of the Earth through input of the largest possible surge of human energy".

"The goal is to add so much concentrated and high-energy positive input into the energy field of the Earth that it will reduce the current dangerous levels of aggression and violence throughout the world," said Reffell on their website.

Don't tell his Holiness the Pope, but Refell, 55, and Sheehan, 76, claim orgasms unleash more power than prayer and say people who live in places with weapons of mass destruction should put in an extra effort. (Whatever you think of this theory it surely stands up better than neo-conservatism.)

"The orgasm gives out an incredible feeling of peace during it and after it," says Reffell. "Your mind is like a blank. It's like a meditative state."
He goes on: "I can understand how the connection between sexuality and the problems of the human race might seem tenuous, frivolous or in bad taste. But when you understand that most male human behaviour, from violence and war to generosity and kindness, is a form of sexual display the whole perspective changes."

The couple wants the New Jersey-based Global Consciousness Project - a group of researchers in the US and elsewhere who study interactions of consciousness with physical systems - to measure the impact of Global Orgasm Day. Let's hope the scientists keep their minds on the job.
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Postby chiggerbit » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:51 am

The orgasm gives out an incredible feeling of peace during it...


Ummm, not quite how I would describe it, but maybe it is for this guy.
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Not Spam

Postby JD » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:03 am

This isn't a SPAM message, in case folks were avoiding/wondering.

Actually (evil laughter) I'm quite fascinated to see which threads attract views and was slightly curious to see if "sex sells" on the RI Board.

Results are now in - NO it doesn't. Seems this thread got avoided big time.

So either the readership of this board is squeaky clean and not interested in sex, or not wanting to encourage spammers. Maybe I should run a poll to figure out the answer?
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:30 pm

"The orgasm gives out an incredible feeling of peace during it and after it," says Reffell. "Your mind is like a blank. It's like a meditative state."


I'd say that was quite accurate, multiple mutual orgasms being the best buzz I've had by far. Better than any drug or drug induced experience.

But re this do on the 22nd, does masturbation count? Or do us singletons have to find a partner?

What a chat up line though.. Wanna fuck for peace? It's an international effort.. have to do your bit. Nudge, Wink?

122206, I'll make a note of that, but remind me?
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Postby nomo » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:08 pm

Seamus OBlimey wrote:122206, I'll make a note of that, but remind me?


I was planning on having an orgasm on that day regardless. :oops:
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Orgasms for Peace = Masturbatory Bullshit Pipe Dream

Postby John E. Nemo » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:10 pm

JD wrote:John and Yoko held bed-ins back in the dark days of the Vietnam War when the hippie catchcry was: make love, not war. Now two veteran peace activists in California believe sex, specifically orgasms, can generate enough spiritual energy to bring peace.

If enough people around to world (as Lennon once sang) "Come Together" at the same time - not only will the Earth move, it will be enveloped in peace.

Orgasmic organisers Donna Sheehan and Paul Reffell have made headlines before. A few years back, the San Francisco couple got groups of women to spell out the word "peace" and make peace signs with formations of their naked bodies.


No offense to you, threadstarter, but only a hippy would be stupid enough to fall for the "make love not war" crap again.
It didn't change a f*cking thing in the 60s, and it won't change a f*cking thing now.

I don't advocate violence, but it was the riots at the '68 Convention and Watts that affected people, not a bunch of flower-wearing mendicants fornicating.

The PTB want nothing more for people to do than to "mount a protest" in their houses where no pesky news crews can report that people are upset about wars, which is why, I suspect, that Yoko got John to "bed in for peace".

The PTBs especially love it when the "protest" ends in an accidental pregnancy.
Not only does it make the parents more conservative, as evidenced by how hippies became yuppies and then voted Reagan into power, but it creates new taxpayers to fund the war machine.

Why do people keep following this Lennon clown?
Why do people acclaim Lennon's music as "genius"?

No one seems to notice or care about the hypocricy of a man writing "Imagine no posessions" when he has $28 million worth of posessions.

No one seems to notice or care about Lennon writing anti-revoltionary songs like "Revolution", the message of which is "don't do anything radical".

Where is the genius in lyrics like "picture yourself on a boat on a river" or "I am The Walrus. Goo Goo Gah Joob"?
It's complete drivel designed to keep people dreaming about "Strawberry Fields Foever", rather than get off their butts and do something.

Interestingly, shortly before Lennon's death, he gave Playboy an interview -- in which he made note of LSD's completely unforeseen liberating impact upon human society and civilization--pretty much thumbing his nose at the CIA-- AND indicating as well that he was aware of the extent to which he and other pop musicians had been set up--to be used as dupes in massive social manipulation schemes.

He finally figured it out that he was being used.
I don't think he figured out that it was Yoko who was using him.

When Yoko told the world that she didn't know who Lennon was when they met she was lying.
According to Paul McCartney she had already approached him, months earlier, for money to sponsor her art projects. He suggested she hit up John instead.
She met John at an art gallery and
promptly had an affair with him,
got him to pose frontal naked on an album cover,
got him to divorce Cynthia,
got him hooked on hard drugs,
began causing friction in the recording sessions and poisoned him towards the rest of the band and,
ultimately, broke up The Beatles,
got John to go underground
took over John's business matters,
and (most likely) planted a marijuanna roach in their apartment resulting in his arrest and Nixon's deportation effort.

Yoko initially pursued John the same way Selena's killer pursued Selena;
by slipping notes under her door.
I believe that Yoko is what is called in espionage circles, a "Black Widow", one who gets close to someone for the purpose of assassination.

The following things make me think this....
Before he was shot John wanted to grab a bite to eat first but she in-
sisted they go straight home instead.
When John was shot she RAN from the limo, ahead of John and ducked behind a wall before the bullets were fired!
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:33 pm

hippies became yuppies and then voted Reagan into power


and skinheads became the bnp?

You wanna come or what?
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Re: Orgasms for Peace

Postby thistle » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:01 pm

JD wrote:(Inevitable tasteless sexist title - "Having a Piece for Peace")


Wait, how is the title in any way gender specific?
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If anyone wants to talk about the Beatles...

Postby marykmusic » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:38 pm

... then a new thread is in order. The Tavistock Institute took us all for a ride on that one, as well as many other Rock Stars.

Meanwhile, back at the topic...

Yeah, I remind my husband often that we have a date on the Solstice. His response: "Well, we'd better get into shape, then."

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:00 am

Yeah, nothing worse than a bunch of hippies having sex. They'd be much better off on internet message boards, ruminating about how everything is a lie and we're all doomed.

Of course, I'm biased, since I have a whole side project that's basically an extension of the Global Orgasm Project. Considering our entire culture views sex as dirty and death as entertainment, I'd say this is probably a lot more effective than marching in Free Speech Zones and signing e-mail petitions.
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Mark Morford got it right...

Postby marykmusic » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:20 am

...this morning's column was about the abstinence-only program from the Department of Health and Human Services targeting the age group 20-29, with women having the most out-of-wedlock babies.

Government grant money will be spent on programs designed to pressure adults into an abstinence-only philosophical stance.

So, sex must be something feared by the current Powers That Be. That means any reality-based, thinking American ought to be FOR it.
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Postby JD » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:53 am

Thistle:

JD wrote:
(Inevitable tasteless sexist title - "Having a Piece for Peace")

Wait, how is the title in any way gender specific?


Sorry maybe this is obscure and/or regional.

Malecentric gutterspeak where I come from can refer to having sex with a woman as "I had a piece of tail" or "I had a piece of ass" which is shortened simply to "I had a piece". Despite being guilty of employing this language in my youth, I now do find it is pretty sexist. Agreed?

INemo:

No offense to you, threadstarter, but only a hippy would be stupid enough to fall for the "make love not war" crap again.


Maybe that's true, and no offense taken. Some mistakes are worth repeating.

This reminds me of an old joke.

A handsome engineer met a beautiful, sweet young Christian woman. They go for a walk in the forest with a blanket, and between the lovely weather and the engineer's charm the young woman sucumbs and they have passionate sex on the blanket under a tree.

Afterwards while lying in bliss, she said: "Oh my, how shall I bear the fact that I've sinned twice?"

"Sinned twice?" the engineer said. "We had premarital sex doesn't that count as only one sin?"

The sweet young woman replied, "We're going to do it again, aren't we?"

Seriously, I posted this more for comic effect and an experiment to see if sex sells than anything. In addition, who TF cares if it actually helps or not? I guess it'd be nice if it did. However speaking pragmatically maybe you can use it as an excuse to get laid :lol:

I like your comments Wombat. Dry. Of course you must expand on your "side project". What does this mean - "getting some on the side"? :twisted:

I see the Global Consciousness folks showing up here. What's the take from the boardsters on them? Sounds pretty iffy to me. I've tried to make sense of their statistics and frankly it's well beyond me. Who is the reader that is a statistician? I'd like to get their take on it.[/list]
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Postby greencrow0 » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:20 am

John E. Nemo says:

I believe that Yoko is what is called in espionage circles, a "Black Widow", one who gets close to someone for the purpose of assassination.


ok. So explain why Yoko left John for several years and 'allowed' him to take up with her friend while he was hooked on drugs...then later took him back when he sobered up.

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Yoko

Postby professorpan » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:48 am

Fuck the Yoko bashing nonsense. Anyone who read Lennon's own works knows the "black widow" allegations are just vicious slurs.

We all need to be more like bonobos. Make love, not war isn't an archaic hippie catchphrase -- it's a way of life.

Would you rather live with a bunch of lovemaking, pacifist apes or warmaking Pat Robertson Red-State theocrats?
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Postby erosoplier » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:41 am

It didn't change a f*cking thing in the 60s, and it won't change a f*cking thing now.


That sounds like a challenge to me!

I have this Madonna/whore battle going on in my brain/soul - that's all good and well, except for the fact that I'm a bloke. There's nothing finer than a faithful partner in life. There's no worthier achievement in this life than being a faithful partner...but...

...I've had an idea - I was thinking that now in this thread is the place to introduce some of Wilhelm Reich's ideas, but I've had a better idea. At GREAT PAINS to myself I will type out an essay I found in Theodore Roszak's "Sources." I liked it. [It was only after typing out a few pages that I thought to google for it, and there it was...]





Kay Johnson. Proximity [1961]

UNIVERSAL SPIRITUAL & PHYSICAL EXPRESSION OF LOVE POSSIBLE WITHOUT SIN, FORNICATION, OR ADULTERY . . .


So I have a game that I pretend, when I'm not allowed to pretend love, when no one else will pretend love with me. It's true I fall in love much more often that any one person is supposed to do. It's true that if I can be alone with any one person for an hour or two, I can achieve falling in love with him or her. But this is desperate, and they won't believe it, and they won't play it, my game of universal love. So I just go along, painting it.

For if they come again, I'm all trembling.

For when I see them again, my eyes cry "Lover!" And they are all ashamed and embarassed in front of me, for the husbands have wives and the wives have husbands already, and they do not understand this thing that I must do to them, having already done it to myself, for them.

They see me, and they run from me. They run because in that moment, their eyes acclaim me, in that moment my eyes gave myself to them, entered them, and in that moment, their eyes were opened . . . and their eyes cried, being open . . . and I painted this. Yea, and when I painted the husband, the wife bought the painting, saying it was for her alone. And when I painted the wife, the husband came wearing such a cold anger that I could not paint him at all.

And of those who are single, they are terrified.

For each wants to think that I speak only to him personally, and each wants to think that I want to possess him personally, and he only, and that the invitation in my eyes is for him personally, and not for everyone as much as it is for him. Each thinks that there is just one consummation of this love, that this love must bear its union in a physical, sexual consummation, and that if this cannot take place . . . the love was a lie, and it was not true. And they resent me for it and they run from me, because of it.

But what in the hell do people think Friendship is, if it is not love, if it is not the whole of love, the complete love, the completely being in love, complete as with a lover. . . .

Yes, as proof of this thing, as proof of the reality of it, I could physically and mentally and emotionally sleep with every one of them, as Saint Francis kissed the leper, I could kiss each one of them, I could unite sexually with each one of them, But how can I stop with one? I cannot stop with one. I cannot even have one at a time. I want all of them. Everyone manages to stop with one. They get one lover, and they stop with one. You have no idea the amount of will power this takes for them. They call it "infidelity," this overt expression of universal love, when it's expressed physically. But if souls love, the bodies are opened as easily, the bodies are only the houses the souls live in. If the soul is given, the body is open as easily. The soul is key to it all, and where the soul is given, the body is open as easily.

And here's the trouble of it all.

They find if they let the soul flow out, the body is opened as easily, and everyone has no fidelity any longer, and everyone truly deep down in their soul, wants to love every one of them, as Saint Francis kissed the leper, I could everyone, and if we were all released from the barriers of our imaginations, the whole world would turn into an ecstatic holocaust . . . and we would all be throwing ourselves upon the bodies of each other constantly, undiscriminately.

Because this is the nature of us.

Only a few wild ones dare to give in to it.

The rest of us play at it, play at it, I say, only.

These are called flirtations. We play at it, we joke, we kid each other about it.

Thus must the souls be damned, thus must the souls be damned up, lest they flow, for if they flow, then the bodies flow too, and have no power to stop themselves . . . thus would our souls and bodies go fornicating everywhere. . . .

Thus are people afraid of the love of the soul, thus must they damn their souls up separately within them, thus must they lock the soul in, thus must they deny it. . . .

For where the soul is completely given, where it is open, the body stands open as well . . . and to realize the potentiality for the essential whoredom of each of us . . . this is the monster that might threaten to undo us, this is the guilt that must be kept hidden. . . .

So heroically we inhibit, we pretend it is not so. And to achieve love on top of this denial of love — this takes a saint. But take our clothes off, and we are all saints in our most simple passionate love for each other. . . . Remove our inhibitions, and the love of man for man and the love of man for woman and the love of woman for woman and the love of woman for man is all the most basic reality our souls and bodies have been created for. . . this touching of each other on our skins, the physical warmth of another body, this is what we were created for. Even the warmth of an animal, even a dog's lapping in our mouths with his solicitous tongue, there is pleasure there that he loves us and touches us, we could take pleasure in it, we could kiss the animal back, on his tongue, with our tongue. Our tongues are willing, our hearts are willing, but something tells us this is wrong, this touching of wet tongues between two animals, this love, and so we have convinced ourselves it is repulsive, that we do not want to be got wet by his tongue, that it is an imposition of him to want to lap us up and we will not surrender to it, no we will not surrender to any kind of love. And how we do succeed at this! Lordy, we succeed so that we draw away instinctively from a dog's wet tongue. We succeed to such an extent that we do not want his muddy paws on our clean clothes. We succeed to such an extent we really have convinced ourselves that our dresses, our white slacks, should not be over run by dog hairs, by fleas, by animal smells, nor our skin even by his touch. . . .

We convince ourselves we don't like cats at all.

They, more than dogs, are too openly sensuous. Do you know what they overtly do when they come and sit on your stomach at night? Do you know the rhythm they have, how with their paws they innocently knead your stomach and dare purr at the same time, and rub themselves, their whole selves, against you, indecently as love and sensuality itself. . . .

Yea, we should give in to one, we should dare give into one, and love just one little animal, we should be undone for every dog and cat approaching us, we should be utterly undone for every human being approaching us. . . .

For the soul has been sublimated into sex.

Who did it, if Freud did not do it? Every yearning of the soul of man for man or the soul of woman for man, or the soul of man for woman or of woman for woman has been sublimated into sexual significance, and this is all today that we are conscious of when we say love, when we say sensuality.

The dog, the cat, when they rub us with their flesh, yes with their flesh, when the cat kneads and purrs, when the dog wants to kiss us in the mouths . . . oh the sensual and beautiful soul of the animal, it's not the full sexual union of its sexual organs with yours it's asking for, but simply closeness, the closeness of its little sensual soul, which IS its body . . . the touching of the skin . . . the lying down close to each other and curled up against each other . . . the transmitting of warmth from skin to skin, the transmitting of kisses and moisture . . . the lying close to each other for a long time . . . exchanging of something electrical, a charge that leaps from skin to skin . . . this touching of skins as friends lie down together, as friends want to be holding each other's hands, want to be putting an arm across a shoulder, want to be somehow unaccountably sitting close, next to each other.

This is in itself, fulfillment.

This is something which is not known, today.

This is something Freud had no idea of, that where there is love, there is no lust connected to the sexual organ, the lust is for looking, the lust is for proximity, the lust is for touching of the hand, the skin, the lust is for the interchange of some cosmic, electrical energy . . . and it is done, it is accomplished simply by proximity . . . by the sharing and exchanging of warmth, by the touching of skin to skin, it is done by body warmth, as a child, when it wants to be loved wants the body warmth of it's mother, the skin contact.

The sexual organs have a different kind of love all by themselves. But the love simply of the skin for another skin, of one bodily warmth for another warmth, of the contact of one being for the contact of another being, this is spiritual sensuousity . . . which does not seek to consummate itself by the use of sexual organs, which is satisfied innocently and fully and completely, simply by the sharing of warmth, by skin contact, by the kiss, by moisture. . . .

And the soul is fully and innocently contented in this contact. It is contented, where there is love of the soul. But where there is not the love of the soul, then the sexual organs rise and open their own private lust having nothing to do with the soul. Having private laws of their own.

And even where there is love of the soul, all innocent and natural, society in it's very fear of sexuality, proclaims that sex is what's wanted after all. So we aim for it, as if it were a target, and we will not be contented, no we will not allow ourselves to be contented, until we thrust our arrows into that red place, the target's sexual center.

But it is not sexual union the soul is after. It's some chemical interchange from skin to skin, from being to being, from proximity to proximity, from sitting next to each other, from sleeping in the same bed. From the clasping of hands, from the touching of skins.



From Journal for the Protection of All Beings, issue no. 1, 1961.

© 1961, by City Lights Books.
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